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| == Consensus == | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Could you kindly link to the consensus on not listing, naming survivors, dead, or those who miss the plane unless they are WP notable? Best regards ] (]) 21:21, 8 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
| I've also noted that the ] article engages in WP:Citation overkill. | |||
| :The consensus is we don't name the dead or survivors of aviation disasters unless they have a WP article. Here are '''just some of the many discussions'''- | |||
| In cases like , though, there are editors who will tag parts of the paragraph as unsourced, thinking that only the end of the sentence or the last two or three sentences are sourced. In those cases, I understand citing like that. | |||
| *Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Northwest_Airlines_Flight_255#Should_Cecelia_Cichan_be_mentioned_by_name? | |||
| *Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:1943_Gibraltar_B-24_crash#Question | |||
| *Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Galaxy_Airlines_Flight_203 | |||
| *Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aviation/Aviation_accident_task_force/Archive_6#Here_we_go_again-_Munich_air_disaster | |||
| *Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Pakistan_International_Airlines_Flight_705 Go to section Names of victims and survivors. | |||
| Plus see ANI discussions here and here. There is one exception- the cockpit crew of the aircraft involved.], is the complaint department really on ] 21:32, 8 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :*Just so we are clear, you are absolutely sure that the person who headlines the articles about the accident on CNN, Washington Post, CBS News, Fox News, NPR, NBC, The Guardian, The Independent and Sky News should not be mentioned in the article? ] (]) 22:03, 8 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::For the 4th time, they don't get named if they don't have an article. {{ping|Ahunt}}, {{ping|Andrewgprout}} please chime in.], is the complaint department really on ] 22:45, 8 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :::Yes ] is quite right, that is the longstanding consensus. It really all comes down to ] and ]. Cessna 172s crash all the time, as I noted on the AfD, of the 44,000 C-172s built over the last 67 years, probably at least 10,000 of then have been crashed, some more than once. Unless someone notable is involved (with a pre-existing bio on Misplaced Pages), or there is some lasting effect in terms of procedural changes or ], then it is just another crash, one of tens of thousands and not notable. - ] (]) 22:56, 8 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == February 2022 == | |||
| When editors unnecessarily stack three or more references after a single sentence? I have more of an issue with that. | |||
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| If you reply, no need to ping me. I'll check back for a response. ] (]) 02:08, 22 September 2020 (UTC) | |||
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| :Thank you for the post. Improper referencing is a big problem around here. I've been taking care of ] situations regularly. Editors should know this, and if they see a paragraph check the source on it if it is the only one used. | |||
| == Nomination for deletion of ] == | |||
| :Which brings up a much bigger problem. Putting references on a sentence when the reference doesn't corroborate the sentence at all or just partly. Experienced editors do this too. As seen in edits recently at ]. Or much worse, ] where a young editor put 'A greater than allowable blood alcohol level of the pilot' into the article when the Accident report used as a reference says no such thing. | |||
| ]] has been ]. You are invited to comment on the discussion at ].<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> ] (]) 03:22, 2 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| :I've run into difficulties with other editors who do these things too. Anyway, some more of my thoughts can be found here] and here. The latter concerning the disgraceful Naomi Ishisaka situation. I can get started on ] too but time is short for me this morning. Take care and cheers!], is the complaint department really on ] 10:59, 22 September 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ==] nomination of ]== | |||
| ] | |||
| Well the connection is that people still remembered the crash of the yemenia plane and were still shocked with the crash but however i dont see the connection with Air France 447 too but i guess there is a connection between the yemenia and the crash ] (]) 18:52, 12 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
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| :See also section links were discussed recently here.], is the complaint department really on ] 19:17, 12 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
| If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may '''contest the nomination''' by ] and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with ]. <!-- Template:Db-catempty-notice --> <!-- Template:Db-csd-notice-custom --> <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 14:10, 25 September 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ==Syke aircraft shootdown== | |||
| == Speedy deletion contested: ] == | |||
| WilliamJE, I think it is very poor form to nominate an article at AfD and then subsequently gut it, for whatever reason. If you nominate an articl at AfD, as is your right to do so, then you should leave the article in much the state you found it so that editors can put forward their views based on the article as is, or as improved. Copyvios and BLP violations are the only exceptions to this, and may be removed at any time. Your future co-operation in this will be much appreciated. ] (]) 19:24, 16 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
| Hello WilliamJE. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of ], a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: It’s been three years, a lot may have changed from that, please use other deletion alternatives like ]. Thanks . Thank you. ] ] 10:16, 6 October 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :He's been dead for 15 years. What can change when you been buried that long?], is the complaint department really on ] 10:21, 6 October 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :{{ping|Mjroots}} This is moronic. I removed things that weren't reliably sourced, weren't sourced at all, and a list of those killed in the crash. If you read my edit summaries you'd know that. Demonstrate one thing I took out that doesn't have one of these apply. What you said above is idiotic otherwise.], is the complaint department really on ] 19:50, 16 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == Declined speedy deletion nomination of Henrich Jaborník == | |||
| Hello WilliamJE. I have declined your speedy deletion nomination of ] as being recently created and duplicating an existing topic under ]. That criterion did not apply because it was, to me, better sourced than the article it was duplicating, and/or could have been turned into a redirect.<!--Inserted with Template:sdd4--> ] (]) 01:15, 11 October 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ::By leaving the article largely how you find it, it gives editors the chance to look at what is there, and maybe improve it, perhaps by finding references for stuff that is unreferenced. I did read your edit summaries, but it is the attempt to gut the article ''after nominating it for deletion'' that, to me, is unfair on the editor(s) that put time and effort into creating the article, whatever flaws it may have. ] (]) 20:02, 16 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ==Dying in ]== | |||
| ] moved around: he was born in Pennsylvania, moved to New Jersey, moved to Virginia, moved to South Carolina where he became a Congressperson, to Fargo, and finally to ] where he did the following: | |||
| * Helped formally establish ], with Lisbon as the County Seat | |||
| * Served a State's attorney for Ransom County, based out of Lisbon | |||
| * Represented Lisbon in the North Dakota in the state House of Representatives | |||
| * Died in Lisbon | |||
| :::If you're talking this edit, the first paragraph wasn't referenced at all, the second had two references neither of which are considered reliable sources. I clean out this shit out of articles all the time, and I take grief for it too when I haven't done anything wrong. If the claims about someone dead or alive aren't properly referenced, they don't belong in an article whether the person is dead or alive and whether its at AFD isn't a factor either. Cite me one thing on Misplaced Pages that says I did wrong or take me to ANI. Otherwise you're being idiotic.], is the complaint department really on ] 20:08, 16 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
| You removed the the article from ] with the edit "Dying somewhere doesn't make a person from that place." | |||
| ::::As you requested, I've raised the issue ''for discussion'' at AfD. Not looking to have you sanctioned, but to clarify this issue. | |||
| Certainly if someone is flown into a regional medical center and dies there they shouldn't be categorized by that city. But being a prominent (if recent) local politician is defined by that location, no? ] (]) 22:39, 29 October 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ] There is currently a discussion at ] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.<!--Template:Discussion notice--><!--Template:ANI-notice--> ] (]) 11:34, 18 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :There is no evidence he lived there. Here is the criteria for US cities and it says 'born, or lived for a significant amount of time, in the city.' Not worked, died or went to school. His congressional biography says he resided in Buttzville. That is a Ransom County Ghost Town. I also undid this edit of yours. Playing in Foo doesn't automatically make someone from Foo. That has been a long time consensus.], is the complaint department really on ] 23:00, 29 October 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ::I stand corrected. "Buttzville" appears to be the small hamlet by his bonanza farm (as .) which isn't in the current article. | |||
| ::Are we agreed that he ''should'' be in ] though? ] (]) 14:10, 30 October 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :::I just added that category.], is the complaint department really on ] 14:48, 30 October 2020 (UTC) | |||
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| == Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis and Peapack-Gladstone == | |||
| I looked at the content you had removed, agreed with you that the entry didn't belong as a notable person, searched for a source, recast the information to focus on the book (rather than the person) and I preserved encyclopedic content. You could have done that yourself, and you can do that in so many of your edits where you simply remove material by asking yourself if the facts belong in an encyclopedia and / or looking for a source to justify retention. It's not just a nice thing to do; it's policy. While you did ultimately revert your own edit, the aggressive edit / edit summary in was entirely unjustified. ] (]) 15:03, 11 November 2020 (UTC) | |||
| removed ] as a notable in the article for ]. Her article made the connection to the borough and sources are amply available; it took me minutes to address the issue and restore the content. The fact that a source does not perfectly support a fact in an article does not make the fact false nor does it justify the deletion of the material. ] says that you should "fix problems if you can, tag or remove them if you can't", but there has to be some effort to ]. Some of the suggestions include "Doing a quick search for sources and adding a citation yourself" or "Tagging it as necessary". Please try to do this in the future, as ] is exactly that, a policy. ] (]) 18:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :It was justified for a NP entry. That entry should not have been there when I first removed. You know the criteria for those sections as well as I do. In fact you put a cn tag on it back in August rather than take it out of a section it had no business being in.], is the complaint department really on ] 18:21, 11 November 2020 (UTC) | |||
| *See my edit summary here. You're hardly the person to complain. The same editor who took me to ANI for removing your book spamming. The same editor who reverted an edit of mine thinking blogspot is a reliable source. The editor who thought Abe Vigoda was from Woodland Park. Oh there is this shit of yours I had to clean up too. Miscommunicating and desperate can describe you besides that edit. Putting references that don't corroborate the sentence is a big problem around here and you're doing it too. Shame on you for coming here to bitch about my editing when you do this shit here. Make a bet there is more work like this in edits here.], is the complaint department really on ] 01:08, 23 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == My apologies == | |||
| **For all your tantrum above, demonstrates that the individual is notable and that her connection to ] is backed by a reliable and verifiable source, one that you would have found if you had bothered to fulfill your obligations under ] to make an effort to actually fix the problem instead of butchering it away. You're welcome to bitch and moan with all the what abouts, but here is a case where '''YOU''' blatantly violated Misplaced Pages policy. I will offer another much-needed reminder that ] is exactly that, a policy. Shame on you. ] (]) 03:45, 26 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ***You put in the same reference not once but twice that didn't say any such thing. If you bothered to read the talk page discussion I linked to this is a major concern of not just me but other people around here. Let's not forget ] where you allowed a major violation of BLP, not to mention the reference not saying any such thing, to stand for six months. You try to own all NJ articles but you disavow all the screwups you or others make. If something is in an article with a reference saying no such thing, it shouldn't be there. Please explain why it should.], is the complaint department really on ] 10:15, 26 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == June 2022 == | |||
| My sincere apologies for misinterpreting your efforts to remove inappropriate sources, for not paying appropriate attention to your legitimate issues, for being rude and disrespectful and for starting the ANI discussion in the first place. I hope that we can work more collegially in the future, especially on my part. ] (]) 04:06, 20 November 2020 (UTC) | |||
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| :{{ping|Mifter}} Serious you fail reading comprehension. The article says 53 dead. The garbage reference says 69. '''IN THE HEADLINE'''. If you or anyone else can't see that, you shouldn't be editing here alone be an administrator. This type of garbage referencing is a plague at WP and here is just one case of the many times I have said that. And as always the incompetent or clueless administrators, punish the editors who take this shit out of the article (Check ] out) for proof or these two admins getting on my case for taking shit out of articles. Now prove to me you can read what I just wrote.], is the complaint department really on ] 16:26, 29 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :Thank you and I hope so too.], is the complaint department really on ] 12:14, 20 November 2020 (UTC) | |||
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| == Brandon Renkart == | |||
| ::{{editconflict}} I appreciate that you are frustrated, however would again caution you against being uncivil or making personal attacks. I am happy to discuss the rationale for my actions, however incivility and personal attacks are exceptionally damaging to the project and, just as I treat you civilly, I expect the same in return. The block I imposed was for a violation of 3RR ], among other things, that you were uncivil when you addressed the IP on the article's talk page as well as your prior block/warning history for edit warring and civility. To your point about the , I have no stake in the outcome of this dispute, however, in reviewing the substance of the proposed addition prior to my issuing a block (to see, among other things, if a 3RR exception applied), would note that the reference the IP was adding (as well as a I located in a quick search repeating the quote the IP is relying on) stated that "there were still conflicting reports on the number of people aboard the Fokker F-28 and how many people survived the fiery crash" () and "there was still no firm word on the number of people who were aboard the Fokker F-28 jet nor how many people survived" () which, given that the news articles were published contemporaneously with the crash, is not terribly surprising. However, the specific information the IP is relying on (which appears in both their source and the secondary source I located) does not relate to the preliminary reports of the number of dead (which are ]), rather a description of a radio broadcast from "Vice President Alex Ekwueme" about the crash stating that the crashed flight was "flight WT-250". The decision for whether or not the source(s) is/are credible/reliable enough to support including the flight number in the article is one I will leave to you, the IP, any any other editors who may comment, however, on its face I would not consider the sources to be so easily discarded as unreliable or inaccurate to justify simply reverting without discussion (i.e. there is reasonable argument that facts about the flight number are likely to be known prior to a crash and may be accurate in initial reports even if the preliminary number of dead is not). To the other points you raise about prior discussions/other articles, as noted above, my actions here were solely as a result of your 3RR violation and edit-warring on ] and are not meant to be punitive. I was not aware of and did not take into account any specific actions/discussions that may have occurred at other places (excepting that, as noted above, a cursory review showed you have a history of civility/edit warring blocks and warnings). Thank you, ] (]) 17:51, 29 June 2022 (UTC) | |||
| Given the extensive significant coverage uncovered at ], I thought you might want to withdraw so time can be spent on more important matters. Fine either way. Just a suggestion. ] (]) 17:15, 20 November 2020 (UTC) | |||
| == ANI notice == | |||
| :{{ping|Cb162}} First, can you explain how Renkart meets criteria #2 at ]? It reads- "Gained national media attention as an individual, not just as a player for a notable team. Very rarely, a player may gain national media attention despite not being on a notable team, such as Lauren Hill." Every single source you put forward is from New Jersey media.], is the complaint department really on ] 10:51, 21 November 2020 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Has this school always been this way? Abraham Clark after all has been a HS for the better part of 100 years or 1932 at least. | |||
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| :On that thought, I would to hear what that editor thinks on this. {{ping|Deepfriedokra}}}. If DFO agrees with you or if we discuss this some more or maybe after we discuss this some more I will be happy to restore the original category. I have a doctor's appointment late this morning and some other things to do. My editing will be light at best till early this afternoon (Our time. We're both EST if you're from NJ). Reply back here in the meantime and lets see if DFO chimes in.], is the complaint department really on ] 13:50, 24 November 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ::Aw, jeez, ] <small>] <small> MEGA--Make English Great Again. </small> Did my doctor's appointments last week. Last night applied for Social Security.</small> I would have gone with "People from", but the ''contra'' argument makes sense, "People from" populates "Foo"? Not saying w need to wholesale change CAT's, but maybe we can go with "foo" moving forward. --<b>] ]</b> 14:27, 24 November 2020 (UTC) | |||
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| :::Because you are putting something in the article that don't belong.], is the complaint department really on ] 14:09, 9 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::So, are you willing to participate in the discussion on the talk page or not? ] (]) 16:13, 9 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Lines breaks == | |||
| Manual line breaks should be removed wherever they have no benefit because (more than anything) they have exacerbate wrapping on smaller displays. Consistency is a secondary concern to accessibility. A much narrower range of technologies used to access WP were considered when these layouts were devised – seem like now is as good a time as any to change/update. <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 11:12, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *The addition of the word 'the' to the playoff records breaks the style used for these boxes. Are you ready to change every box from Tommy Aaron to Fuzzy Zoeller. Another inconsistency I am correcting is the use of by instead of with in playoff boxes. Somebody changed them but just for European Tour playoff boxes. Golfers Ballesteros, Langer, and Player had two different styles on the same page. One for PGA playoffs and another for European (and sometimes other tours).], is the complaint department really on ] 11:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| **We should write in English (as with your corrections of by→with, although the wording still lacks clarity; i.e. who does the "with" refer to?). The only consistency we actually require is within the same article, hence use of appropriate regional English, date formatting, etc. There are way too many articles and different opinions to have consistency across WP; always one article at a time. <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 11:32, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ***I don't see the confusion. Every playoff box results begins with 'XXXX wins with' a score on whatever extra hole. Put 2 and 2 together.], is the complaint department really on ] 19:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| **This has come up before in ]. It's my view that "by" in much clearer than "with". Using "Smith eliminated with a par at the first extra hole" is ambiguous in that a simple reading implies that Smith was the one "with a par at the first extra hole". Using "by" removes that confusion. ] (]) 11:55, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| **See ] for the previous discussion from 2017, where my impression was that the consensus was to use "by". ] (]) 12:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Seems to me that there's a clear consensus from this discussion, the previous one and edits of other people, with only you opposing, that we should use "eliminated by" and not "eliminated with" in the playoff summaries. ] (]) 10:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *Clear consensus? 3 editors posted to the discussion and one only to say they were making the switches. And as it is, the switch is only being made to European Tour playoff records. PGA Tour records are being left alone as seen by yesterday's slew of edits.], is the complaint department really on ] 11:48, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| **My view is that neither wording is ideal and {{tq|"''Player X'' was eliminated on the ''n''th hole"}} would suffice, because the scores of those completing the hole gives no indication (other than a misleading one) of the eliminated players score – did they even complete the hole? OB, water, 3-putt, missed 2-footer. <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 12:54, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ***The scores of players eliminated are never noted even if its just a two hole playoff between Jones and Smith. 'Jones wins with par on second extra hole'. What did Smith do? Make bogey, double bogey, make worse, not finish the hole, be disqualified for popping rolaids in the middle of Jones swing?], is the complaint department really on ] 13:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ****{{ec}} That's kind of my point. The only relevant hole score is the one that wins the tournament. Ambiguous and unhelpful wording should be minimised or eliminated, along with bad English. <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 14:03, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ***Also disagree, since the current wording is consistent with the normal two-man sudden-death form where we say eg "Lost to birdie on third extra hole" giving no indication of the loser's score, only that it was not sufficient. It's surely the nature of a sudden-death playoff that only the scores of those who win or carry on are relevant, the other(s) are simply eliminated. ] (]) 13:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ****In addition to my above reply, we also don't make note of any other holes scores where all remaining players <s>carry</s> tied. The only significant hole score is the one that finishes the playoff. <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 14:07, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *****I think you can argue that for the player being eliminated, the score than eliminated him IS important, and anything that happens from then on, between the remaining players is neither here nor there, from his perspective. ] (]) 15:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ******Important to them perhaps, but is it to us? Given it is commonly not reported (even the winning hole score is often omitted), probably not. <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 15:27, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| *******In the article about the eliminated player, I'd have thought it was important to us. ] (]) 15:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ********A long time ago in a discussion with Tewapack, we considered it best to keep the playoff boxes simple. Sudden death playoffs end abruptly, holes aren't completed. Old newspaper articles in newspaper archives don't give enough detail. Hunting down playoff results can be a real chore for any golf tournament prior to 1990, and it gets worse the further you go back. I'm the editor who did Kathy Whitworth's boxes for both her 88 LPGA wins and her 28 LPGA playoffs. Tracking down the latter weren't easy. For that reason, and that virtually the only records for her wins are in print and not on the internet, I have shied away from tackling the task of doing the same for ]. | |||
| ********Back to all the player's scores, whether we have them or not, the clutter in playoff boxes would just be horrendous IMHO.], is the complaint department really on ] 19:36, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :Totally agree with ]. ] (]) 17:39, 22 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Ben Crenshaw edit == | |||
| Hi William, | |||
| I noticed you just deleted the sentence about ] having the worst playoff record in PGA Tour history. It said in that he had the worst record ever (0-6) in 1987. It only got worse - it ended as 0-8. No one has come close since the late 80s and posted a worse playoff record. Why did you make that deletion? | |||
| Also, you wrote in the description for the edit, "IC says no such thing." What does that mean? | |||
| ] (]) 03:44, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly | |||
| *IC- Inline citation. 2nd- The article said his record was 0-6 not 0-8 but the sentence said 0-6. Editors around WP have a very bad habit of using references that don't corroborate what they writing into articles and. Feel free to read about Naomi Ishisaka and a WP editor called Factfanatic1. Irony thy name is Misplaced Pages. You answered your own question but still had to post here about your wrong edit.], is the complaint department really on ] 10:36, 29 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
| First off what I did didn't have nearly the same repercussions as what Factfanatic1 did. | |||
| Anyhow, editors very regularly don't buttress their claims with citations at all on WikiProject Golf... there must be thousands of examples like this. I am very surprised you picked on this one. The statement I had up there was totally accurate and my citation was pretty close. | |||
| Anyway, I just added an a regarding this claim on Crenshaw's page. Let me know what you think. | |||
| ] (]) 01:42, 30 January 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly | |||
| == Pattern of bogus edits == | |||
| Your recent edits to ] are completely bogus. You know full well that you were removing listings for notables that have reliable and verifiable sources here or that can be added with trivial effort, as required by ]. is entirely disruptive. ], ] and ] are undeniably notable, and all of their articles connect them to the school. Your claim that Sokol's obituary in The New York Times is unacceptable is pure BS. to the article for ] was ridiculous too coming from an experienced editor. One time no, bs again. I haven't and will not study all your edits but it is obvious when there is a pattern of deception in an editor's work here. Your editing is extremely sloppy and shows you've been blocked regularly for edit warring, personal attacks and other abuse over the past decade, about once a year. Please try to learn your lesson and please try to recognize your responsibilities as an editor. ] (]) 15:37, 2 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :You are a total hypocrite. How many times have you deleted entries to NJ articles because they don't have an article and reference? How about this edit of yours to Montclair? Read the edit summary very carefully. BTW Lioy was listed without any reference. Are you blind too? I have seen those edit summaries dozens of times. So your post here is reprehensible as is your character. Don't forget the time you added a People from category to a article about a company in order to save the category from deletion. Oh and the Alpine article had a citation needed tag for 9 years{Check who put it there in the first place) and you've edited that page approximately 85 times while the tag was there. Hypocrisy and the person doing bogus bullshit around here is you. Harass me some more and I will take you to ANI and expose this shit.], is the complaint department really on ] 15:46, 2 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::Too often, you're disruptive at best, destructive at worst. You twice deleted sourced material from Montclair State University, despite knowing full well that you were removing entries for ], ] and ], three people who are undeniably notable, and all of their articles connect them to their attendance at the school. Read ] and follow it. Before you remove a notable, look at the article and look for sources. Fix problems, as required by Misplaced Pages policy. Given your sorry track record, past and present, you may want to read ] before running to ANI. ] (]) 19:28, 2 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::Lioy wasn't sourced at all. And quoting you- "remove individual from list of notables, who needs both a Misplaced Pages article **AND** independent reliable and verifiable sources establishing connection here, as specified by WP:NLIST)" Someone edit summarizing that has no basis for complaining when another editor follows that word for word. I have to report you to ANI.], is the complaint department really on ] 19:35, 2 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Kids: please settle down here, remember ] and ]. - ] (]) 19:38, 2 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::{{ping|Ahunt}} FYI I started an ANI thread. It can be found here.], is the complaint department really on ] 20:11, 2 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ==PBLOCK== | |||
| Per discussion at ], and at his request, I've issued a PBLOCK preventing you from editing S Marshall's user page and talk page. Please do not edit any other subpages belonging to S Marshall, as this will be considered disruptive. If you need to give a required notification to S Marshall in future, you will not be able to. You will need to state this at the time of raising an issue at AN, ANI etc. S Marshall has been blocked from editing your user page and talk page, and a similar warning has been issued re subpages. ] (]) 06:38, 25 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Hello, WilliamJE, | |||
| Categories can not be deleted like articles or talk pages until they are empty. Could you please remove all of the contents from a category before you tag it for deletion and do so for this category? Thank you. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 02:40, 27 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :Just FYI, if you nominate a category for deletion at ] and the consensus says to delete, a bot will empty the contents for you and you will not have to do so manually. See ]. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 02:46, 27 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :{{ping|Liz}} ] says not to empty a category nominated for deletion while the CFD is going on. Even a CSD nominee doesn't guarantee deletion. Last year I made this speedy deletion nomination.], is the complaint department really on ] 11:29, 27 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::A related question for William and {{u|Liz}}. The template {{tl|Memorial Tournament honorees}} has been nominated for deletion (Jack Nicklaus was last seen rolling over on his grave before going out for coffee and scones), and had been distributed to half of its 79 honorees pages before the nom. Should that distribution be halted while the discussion is in progress or should it continue? A sticky wicket. Thanks. ] (]) 13:18, 30 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Why did you delete my edit on the pan am 103? == | |||
| The guy had written a poem commemorating the victims, why did you delete it? ] (]) 00:03, 29 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :Read].], is the complaint department really on ] 00:11, 29 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::{{TPS}} ... and ], ] and ], too. - ] (]) 00:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == List of faculty members at the Institute for Advanced Study == | |||
| Hello WilliamJE! I noticed that you seem quite insistent on omitting one individual from the ] article, arguing that said individual is not notable due to their not having their own article, and going so far as to remove the five-year-old word "all" from above the table after I pointed out its inclusion in the article to you. While it is indeed true that this individual does not have their own article, IAS faculty member is in itself a sufficiently notable position to warrant its own list article, so ] applies here: "in a few cases, such as lists of board members or academics holding notable positions, the names of non-notable people may be included in a list that is largely made up of notable people, for the sake of completeness." It is my strong belief that due to this policy and the nature of the list, and since you're not arguing that this individual isn't a faculty member, their name should be immediately restored. Best, ] (]) 00:14, 26 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :That was edited into the article long after it was created. Not all academics who worked somewhere aren't listed at innumerable pages around here. Try some Ivy League law school faculty list. Write an article the person if you're so insistent.], is the complaint department really on ] 00:22, 26 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Eliza Kennedy Smith == | |||
| Hi, WilliamJE. I'm reaching out to respectfully ask that you hold off on making any further edits to bio of ] that I am creating for the Women in Red project because your recent edits (including a revert of one of my reverts to your edits), while well meaning, have been premature, and are disrupting my current editing of this article. I had only just posted this new bio at 14:11 on July 18, 2021 when you began editing at 14:59 on July 18, 2021 - less than an hour after I had posted the article. In fact, you literally interrupted the edits I was making to the citation you've been questioning. Just as a bit of background for you, I am an experienced editor with ] status because I have a reliable history of creating clean articles, including several Good Articles and multiple B-class articles. So, your edits are really unnecessary at this point, and are actually hampering the development of this article. Respectfully, there are less experienced editors on Misplaced Pages who could genuinely benefit from your help. So, I'm writing to ask that you revert your edits, and allow me to finish my work. Thank you for your cooperation. ] (]) 15:31, 18 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :This edit/request is VERY improper. Any editor can edit any article at WP. You are committing ], and this is such a bad violation from an editor who should know better (A WP account from 2015 with over 17,000 edits) I am seriously considering getting an administrator or reporting this at ]. You have made multiple mistakes in two articles.], is the complaint department really on ] 15:38, 18 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :Administrator {{ping|Acroterion}} might want to chime in.], is the complaint department really on ] 15:45, 18 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::This is one reason why developing articles in userspace is often a good idea. However, I don't think that rapid-fire review as the article is being developed makes anybody very happy. Perhaps 47thPennVols will have a chance to work out the sourcing with a couple of hours of time to compose and review. This isn't a BLP, where time is of the essence. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 15:52, 18 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::{{ping|Acroterion}} Thank you for your suggestion. It would be very helpful, and greatly appreciated if I could be given breathing room by WilliamJE since I was not "committing ]" as WilliamJE stated above. I was just simply politely asking him to stop editing a bio that I was working on because his edits felt premature and disruptive (something I'm sure WilliamJE did not intend). I have to say that I was genuinely surprised by, and am uncomfortable with, WilliamJE's statement above, "I am seriously considering getting an administrator or reporting this at ]" because that feels as if he is threatening me. Additionally, I'm also uncomfortable because the edit summaries that WilliamJE has been posting are beginning to feel hostile (example: "Sloppy editing again. The reference on the sentence says NO SUCH THING"), and because WilliamJE has also now begun editing another bio that I recently posted for Women in Red, ], the timing of which seems odd. At this juncture, I'm still choosing to assume good faith that WilliamJE is not intending to make me feel uncomfortable since "Threatening another person is considered harassment" per ], as is "disruption to another user's own enjoyment of editing, or disruption to the project generally, for no overridingly constructive reason." But because his behavior is beginning to cause distress for me, I am respectfully asking him to cease his editing of my work. {{ping|WilliamJE}} Please stop. ] (]) 16:50, 18 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::As I said, some room for 47thPennVols to develop the article would be helpful, and even a couple of days would not go amiss. There's no reason for WIlliamJE to take this to ANI - we all have some ownership vested in an article in its initial creation phase. ] applies here. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 16:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::@], maybe place a ] on it? That'll let other users know you're actively editing and ask them not to edit-conflict with you. ] (]) 16:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Acroterion, with all due respect. My views on cleaning up mistakes at WP here are pretty well known. Read here here, and here. I don't care if its a BLP article or one about a plane crash. Mistakes and sloppy editing need to be fixed not brushed aside. This editor is whining about me fixing his shit around here. This misguided editor doesn't know the difference between a political activist and a politician too. See they don't like they are being corrected.], is the complaint department really on ] 17:20, 18 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::BTW I recently created this article. What did I do minutes later? Post to the related WP talk page inviting editors to fix it up if they wished.], is the complaint department really on ] 17:28, 18 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::{{ping|Acroterion}} and {{ping|Valereee}} There was an edit conflict while I was trying to type this: "{{ping|Acroterion}} and {{ping|Valereee}} Thank you both for your suggestions. I will add the template to see if that will bring an end to the problem, but it appears that I may need to ask for the articles to be protected from editing for a period of time because WilliamJE just reverted another of my changes, despite my asking him, again, to cease his editing of my work. I still want to believe that he is not intending to cause distress, but at this point, he is most definitely causing distress. Would there be a way to "page protect" these two articles for a few days?" ] (]) 17:34, 18 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::He comes here to whine. The editor doesn't know the difference between a political activist and a politician and gets upset because they get corrected.], is the complaint department really on ] 17:38, 18 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::Given that this is an encyclopedia collaboratively edited by everybody, a greater degree of patience and forbearance is desirable - calling a reasonable complaint "whining" isn't helpful. There are no deadlines, and you are free to post a review on the article talkpage. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 18:07, 18 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::That's the second time you've characterized the concerns of another well-intentioned editor as whining. WJE, I think it might be best if you step away from that article for now. There are no deadlines. Let the other editor create in peace. Circle back in a couple weeks, maybe. ] (]) 18:14, 18 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::It was whining. If somebody came along and fixed my edits on a new article, I would have thanked them. Ask Acroterion how many times I have thanked him for some edit. Second- WP has a bad problem and I have been saying it for a long time. I call it garbage with a reference or aka putting something in an article which the reference doesn't say. Here's an a case of one of WP's biggest editors doing just that. Just the other day an editor with over 30,000 edits thought restoring content where the IC said no such thing was good editing too. Check my recent edit history and see how many times a summary of mine says 'IC says no such thing' IC is inline citation Third- The editor who cleans up these messes, this case in point but here's an exchange from just a few days ago, are made out as the bad people. Is WP an encyclopedia or a work of fiction?], is the complaint department really on ] 20:52, 18 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::After under an hour since creation, when most creators are still doing major heavy lifting? Please give this editor some space to finish working. There are no deadlines. ] (]) 22:12, 18 July 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::::It is very clear he was committing ]. This editor put in use templates on two articles then didn't make a single edit to either article since t then (two weeks ago). His lack of sincerity is clear and you, {{ping|Valereee}} think I'm the bad editor.], is the complaint department really on ] 22:15, 1 August 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::::WJE, I don't think you're a bad editor at all. Which two articles have had in use templates on them for two weeks with no edits? ] (]) 16:49, 2 August 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::::::I didn't say they had in Use templates on them for two weeks. They put a in use template on the pages and then abandoned them aka hadn't come back to edit either over the last two weeks. BTW another editor, not myself, took those templates off the pages.], is the complaint department really on ] 18:00, 6 August 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| I took a look at what was not backed up. I assume it was the first class re-design, and the passenger's and/or crew, the immediate post accident actions, and/or the memorial?] (]) 16:46, 5 November 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| :There are references on sentences that don't belong there. I've been complaining about this stuff ever since this and in multiple talk page conversations. Here is one instance at Ahunt's talk page. Ahunt does aviation accident article editing too.], is the complaint department really on ] 16:55, 5 November 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| == Fresh Meadow Country Club categorization. Comment == | |||
| Hi. Thank you for your comment on my category edit of ]. I am currently categorizing a number of articles, and I may have accidentally mis-categorized the article. In the lede of the article, the second sentence states that "The club opened in the New York City borough of Queens in 1923…" so I categorized it under "1923 establishments in New York City". --] (]) 20:09, 9 November 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Aloha airlines incident 1988 == | |||
| I worked on that aircraft installing the rivets that failed. It was my first day on the job and I was fired for installing approx 100 rivets wrong . Big meeting with guys in suits examining my work.one of them asked me if I was trying to kill a plane load of people. Contact me on FB. ] (]) 03:51, 10 November 2021 (UTC) | |||
| Read ].], is the complaint department really on ] 10:45, 10 November 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == reverting/civility == | |||
| I'm not at all sure why I would need to explain ] to someone who has made over 120K edits over almost sixteen years, but I think it pretty obviously applies to the addition of the "hidden template" to multiple articles about places in Alaska. There is not a consensus to mass-add that thing to articles. Restoring after the addition was reverted was unhelpful. If you wish to join the discussion of it I have commented about it on the talk page of the user who added it, and also at ], the discussion that apparently led them to believe this was actually a good idea. | |||
| As for your comments in your edit summary here regarding civility, I was criticizing that hideously formatted, overblown set of ''orders'' in a hidden comment. It is not uncivil to call it what it is, obnoxious. ] (]) 18:50, 18 November 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :Obnoxious and is being uncivil. It was uncalled for. There are hidden templates in NP sections all over WP. I edit these sections many times and have been seeing them for a decade. If you do NP work you'd know about them too.], is the complaint department really on ] 18:53, 18 November 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| :Hi again William, and Happy Thanksgiving! Hoping to get your contribution if you might participate in this ongoing discussion here ]. I am trying to form consensus, and I fear that without support, I will have to stop adding birth and death years to "Notable people" sections. If you find my work helpful or worthwhile, your support would mean the world to me. {{heart}} ] (They/Them/Their • ] 20:08, 24 November 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| == Mass media companies established in == | |||
| Hi William | |||
| Please stop removing the "Category:Mass media companies (dis)established in yyyy"" from the entertainment categories, .g. . You have provided no reason for these widespread but selective removals. ] <small>] • (])</small> 15:49, 5 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :Stop overcategorizing. Entertainment companies established is a subcategory of companies established in.], is the complaint department really on ] 15:51, 5 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::Please STOP while we discuss this. | |||
| ::Per ], I will revert. Then we can discuss more. ] <small>] • (])</small> 15:55, 5 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::Entertainment categories established or disestablished in is a subcategory of Companies established or disestablished in. They don't go in both.], is the complaint department really on ] 15:56, 5 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::If this is a good idea, it should be done systematically, not piecemeal. ] <small>] • (])</small> 15:59, 5 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Restaurants disestablishments are not in both food and drink companies disestablishments and companies disestablishments, Railway companies not in both transport companies disestablishments and companies disestablishments, Banks disestablishments are not in both financial service companies and companies disestablishments, Vehicle manufacturing companies disestablishments are not in both manufacturing disestablishments and companies disestablishments so on and so on. Do I need to cite ten more examples?], is the complaint department really on ] 16:07, 5 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::You miss the point. | |||
| ::::::Railway companies are all transport companies. | |||
| ::::::However, the situation with mass media companies is not so neat. ] <small>] • (])</small> 16:20, 5 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| William, you have gone about this really badly. | |||
| Yesterday, you removed a bunch of e "Category:Mass media companies (dis)established in yyyy"" from the entertainment categories with no edit summary. You didn't declare what you were doing, let alone why. | |||
| So I used AWB to systematically restore the parent categories. Then you began reverting, again with no explanation. | |||
| That is not how things work here. Your mass action was being challenged, so per ] you should stop instead of edit warring. But you went into a third round of reverting my re-adds, without any attempt to discuss. | |||
| Now to the core issue. This is one of the cases where a simplistic reading of ] gives bad answers. The problem is that the set of "mass media companies" includes: a) companies which are purely entertainment (e.g. an early film company); b) companies which are not entertainment, such as CNN; c) companies which are both entertainment and factual, such as the ] or ]. | |||
| The only way to accommodate this is to parent "mass media" companies in both "companies established in YYYY" ''and'' "entertainment companies established in YYYY". | |||
| Now, I get that you disagree. Fine. But please discuss rather than edit-warring ... and if a consensus is reached, we should use AWB to apply a solution consistently to ''all'' the categories. --] <small>] • (])</small> 16:18, 5 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::Dumping something in both doesn't fix something that's misleading. It overcategorizes. Fix how the misleading category is used. Bad categorizing is ridiculous around here. Hospitality companies established for instance. There are about 85 of these pages but only twelve or so entries in them. The rest are subcategories- hotels and restaurants. Do you know Hospitality categories are subcategorized transport companies. How are hotels and restaurants transport companies? Better yet read the description on every transport companies established page and see that hospitality wouldn't belong there. Which makes a point for me, Mass media companies need to be described on their pages as to what does and doesn't belong there.], is the complaint department really on ] 16:46, 5 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::William, if we are going to have any chance of reaching a consensus, we need to stick to mass media companies. | |||
| :::What exactly are you proposing? ] <small>] • (])</small> 17:34, 5 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::If mass media is misleading or unclear (Remember ]) , and mostly a depository for subcategories or categories that can be placed somewhere else, why not delete them?], is the complaint department really on ] 13:03, 6 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Sigh. No, "mass media" is not unclear and not misleading. See ]. ] <small>] • (])</small> 22:12, 6 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Then why are you trying to overcategorize because something fit your description?], is the complaint department really on ] 23:31, 6 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Warning == | |||
| I suggest to you that you stop removing sourced content. If you continue then I'm going to file a report at ].--] (]) 12:28, 17 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::What I removed wasn't referenced. Go ahead and take me to ANI but be ready for a ] after I point out the many problems with your editing. Not referenced, bogus referencing, SYNTH and more.], is the complaint department really on ] 12:35, 17 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::False referencing like you did here isn't going to go over very well at ANI because I can point out multiple instances, here is just one example, of it in that article and another.], is the complaint department really on ] 12:43, 17 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| == Re:Sportspeople from... == | |||
| Hi WilliamJE - re edits like , those general sportspeople categories are being temporarily retained to make it easier to search for coaches, executives, journalists, and officials (categories for them are going to be started once I've finished the player categories) - please don't remove any of them! I've rolled back the lasty 60 or so edits of the sort made by you - please revert the others, otherwise the articles will not get the appropriate coach etc categories. ]...''<small>]</small>'' 03:06, 27 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :Please stop. I've explained why those categories are temporarily necessary. All you are doing by removing them is creating major disruption on a large-scale editing scheme. At the least, wait a couple of weeks until the coaches categories have been started in earnest, and then you will see how useful their current use as markers is. ]...''<small>]</small>'' 11:37, 27 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
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| == Bland == | |||
| To me, {{tq|...Bland, who is enjoying a late career renaissance after his victory at last year’s British Masters...}} () supports this statement: {{tq|"Bland's resurgence continued into the 2022 season..."}} (although it could perhaps be phrased better). Do you not? <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 00:44, 31 January 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :1- One wire service (AP and not ]) writer's opinion 2- There is too much of this descriptive writing in golf articles. As seen by my recent edit here or more famously here. I've been taking this stuff out of golf articles for ages.], is the complaint department really on ] 00:52, 31 January 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::Sorry, but while I agree that there is a proliferation of excessive detail and unsupported fluff that absolutely should be removed (and it's across all sports, not just golf), you haven't really answered the question. <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 00:58, 31 January 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :::You're not reading me. One anonymous wire service reporter's opinion.], is the complaint department really on ] 01:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::::The reason for the question is that your ES stated that the IC did not support the statement. You now seem to be conceding that it does, however you still object to it for different reasons. Is that correct? <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 01:08, 31 January 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :::::You didn't quote the article. Resurgence isn't renaissance. Creative writing class.], is the complaint department really on ] 01:10, 31 January 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Really? Here's ] in using the word resurgence in the same context ({{tq|"Bland, enjoying a career resurgence at 48..."}}). <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 01:20, 31 January 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::You linked to an SI article where resurgence was never used. Read ] too.], is the complaint department really on ] 18:30, 31 January 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::Seems I wasn't clear. Renaissance and resurgence are synonymous (, , etc.), and The Guardian, while primarily linked to illustrate that, also clearly shows it is not "one anon opinion". <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 19:48, 31 January 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::Also, just vague-waving at Ps&Gs is unhelpful. Perhaps you could quote and clarify your understanding/interpretation? <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 10:37, 1 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == Consensus == | |||
| Could you kindly link to the consensus on not listing, naming survivors, dead, or those who miss the plane unless they are WP notable? Best regards ] (]) 21:21, 8 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :The consensus is we don't name the dead or survivors of aviation disasters unless they have a WP article. Here are '''just some of the many discussions'''- | |||
| *Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Northwest_Airlines_Flight_255#Should_Cecelia_Cichan_be_mentioned_by_name? | |||
| *Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:1943_Gibraltar_B-24_crash#Question | |||
| *Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Galaxy_Airlines_Flight_203 | |||
| *Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aviation/Aviation_accident_task_force/Archive_6#Here_we_go_again-_Munich_air_disaster | |||
| *Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Pakistan_International_Airlines_Flight_705 Go to section Names of victims and survivors. | |||
| Plus see ANI discussions here and here. There is one exception- the cockpit crew of the aircraft involved.], is the complaint department really on ] 21:32, 8 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :*Just so we are clear, you are absolutely sure that the person who headlines the articles about the accident on CNN, Washington Post, CBS News, Fox News, NPR, NBC, The Guardian, The Independent and Sky News should not be mentioned in the article? ] (]) 22:03, 8 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::For the 4th time, they don't get named if they don't have an article. {{ping|Ahunt}}, {{ping|Andrewgprout}} please chime in.], is the complaint department really on ] 22:45, 8 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :::Yes ] is quite right, that is the longstanding consensus. It really all comes down to ] and ]. Cessna 172s crash all the time, as I noted on the AfD, of the 44,000 C-172s built over the last 67 years, probably at least 10,000 of then have been crashed, some more than once. Unless someone notable is involved (with a pre-existing bio on Misplaced Pages), or there is some lasting effect in terms of procedural changes or ], then it is just another crash, one of tens of thousands and not notable. - ] (]) 22:56, 8 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
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| Well the connection is that people still remembered the crash of the yemenia plane and were still shocked with the crash but however i dont see the connection with Air France 447 too but i guess there is a connection between the yemenia and the crash ] (]) 18:52, 12 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
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| WilliamJE, I think it is very poor form to nominate an article at AfD and then subsequently gut it, for whatever reason. If you nominate an articl at AfD, as is your right to do so, then you should leave the article in much the state you found it so that editors can put forward their views based on the article as is, or as improved. Copyvios and BLP violations are the only exceptions to this, and may be removed at any time. Your future co-operation in this will be much appreciated. ] (]) 19:24, 16 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :{{ping|Mjroots}} This is moronic. I removed things that weren't reliably sourced, weren't sourced at all, and a list of those killed in the crash. If you read my edit summaries you'd know that. Demonstrate one thing I took out that doesn't have one of these apply. What you said above is idiotic otherwise.], is the complaint department really on ] 19:50, 16 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::By leaving the article largely how you find it, it gives editors the chance to look at what is there, and maybe improve it, perhaps by finding references for stuff that is unreferenced. I did read your edit summaries, but it is the attempt to gut the article ''after nominating it for deletion'' that, to me, is unfair on the editor(s) that put time and effort into creating the article, whatever flaws it may have. ] (]) 20:02, 16 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :::If you're talking this edit, the first paragraph wasn't referenced at all, the second had two references neither of which are considered reliable sources. I clean out this shit out of articles all the time, and I take grief for it too when I haven't done anything wrong. If the claims about someone dead or alive aren't properly referenced, they don't belong in an article whether the person is dead or alive and whether its at AFD isn't a factor either. Cite me one thing on Misplaced Pages that says I did wrong or take me to ANI. Otherwise you're being idiotic.], is the complaint department really on ] 20:08, 16 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
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Could you kindly link to the consensus on not listing, naming survivors, dead, or those who miss the plane unless they are WP notable? Best regards Alvaldi (talk) 21:21, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- The consensus is we don't name the dead or survivors of aviation disasters unless they have a WP article. Here are just some of the many discussions-
- Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Northwest_Airlines_Flight_255#Should_Cecelia_Cichan_be_mentioned_by_name?
- Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:1943_Gibraltar_B-24_crash#Question
- Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Galaxy_Airlines_Flight_203
- Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aviation/Aviation_accident_task_force/Archive_6#Here_we_go_again-_Munich_air_disaster
- Here- https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Pakistan_International_Airlines_Flight_705 Go to section Names of victims and survivors.
Plus see ANI discussions here and here. There is one exception- the cockpit crew of the aircraft involved....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:32, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- Just so we are clear, you are absolutely sure that the person who headlines the articles about the accident on CNN, Washington Post, CBS News, Fox News, NPR, NBC, The Guardian, The Independent and Sky News should not be mentioned in the article? Alvaldi (talk) 22:03, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- For the 4th time, they don't get named if they don't have an article. @Ahunt:, @Andrewgprout: please chime in....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:45, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- Yes User:WilliamJE is quite right, that is the longstanding consensus. It really all comes down to WP:NOTNEWS and WP:LASTING. Cessna 172s crash all the time, as I noted on the AfD, of the 44,000 C-172s built over the last 67 years, probably at least 10,000 of then have been crashed, some more than once. Unless someone notable is involved (with a pre-existing bio on Misplaced Pages), or there is some lasting effect in terms of procedural changes or Airworthiness Directives, then it is just another crash, one of tens of thousands and not notable. - Ahunt (talk) 22:56, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
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Nomination for deletion of Template:Newspapers established in year cat
Template:Newspapers established in year cat has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:22, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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Well the connection is that people still remembered the crash of the yemenia plane and were still shocked with the crash but however i dont see the connection with Air France 447 too but i guess there is a connection between the yemenia and the crash Iyusi766 (talk) 18:52, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- See also section links were discussed recently here....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:17, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Syke aircraft shootdown
WilliamJE, I think it is very poor form to nominate an article at AfD and then subsequently gut it, for whatever reason. If you nominate an articl at AfD, as is your right to do so, then you should leave the article in much the state you found it so that editors can put forward their views based on the article as is, or as improved. Copyvios and BLP violations are the only exceptions to this, and may be removed at any time. Your future co-operation in this will be much appreciated. Mjroots (talk) 19:24, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Mjroots: This is moronic. I removed things that weren't reliably sourced, weren't sourced at all, and a list of those killed in the crash. If you read my edit summaries you'd know that. Demonstrate one thing I took out that doesn't have one of these apply. What you said above is idiotic otherwise....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:50, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- By leaving the article largely how you find it, it gives editors the chance to look at what is there, and maybe improve it, perhaps by finding references for stuff that is unreferenced. I did read your edit summaries, but it is the attempt to gut the article after nominating it for deletion that, to me, is unfair on the editor(s) that put time and effort into creating the article, whatever flaws it may have. Mjroots (talk) 20:02, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- If you're talking this edit, the first paragraph wasn't referenced at all, the second had two references neither of which are considered reliable sources. I clean out this shit out of articles all the time, and I take grief for it too when I haven't done anything wrong. If the claims about someone dead or alive aren't properly referenced, they don't belong in an article whether the person is dead or alive and whether its at AFD isn't a factor either. Cite me one thing on Misplaced Pages that says I did wrong or take me to ANI. Otherwise you're being idiotic....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 20:08, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- As you requested, I've raised the issue for discussion at AfD. Not looking to have you sanctioned, but to clarify this issue.
There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Mjroots (talk) 11:34, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
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Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis and Peapack-Gladstone
This edit removed Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis as a notable in the article for Peapack-Gladstone, New Jersey. Her article made the connection to the borough and sources are amply available; it took me minutes to address the issue and restore the content. The fact that a source does not perfectly support a fact in an article does not make the fact false nor does it justify the deletion of the material. WP:PRESERVE says that you should "fix problems if you can, tag or remove them if you can't", but there has to be some effort to WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM. Some of the suggestions include "Doing a quick search for sources and adding a citation yourself" or "Tagging it as necessary". Please try to do this in the future, as Misplaced Pages:Editing policy is exactly that, a policy. Alansohn (talk) 18:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- See my edit summary here. You're hardly the person to complain. The same editor who took me to ANI for removing your book spamming. The same editor who reverted an edit of mine thinking blogspot is a reliable source. The editor who thought Abe Vigoda was from Woodland Park. Oh there is this shit of yours I had to clean up too. Miscommunicating and desperate can describe you besides that edit. Putting references that don't corroborate the sentence is a big problem around here and you're doing it too. Shame on you for coming here to bitch about my editing when you do this shit here. Make a bet there is more work like this in edits here....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:08, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- For all your tantrum above, this edit demonstrates that the individual is notable and that her connection to Peapack-Gladstone, New Jersey is backed by a reliable and verifiable source, one that you would have found if you had bothered to fulfill your obligations under WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM to make an effort to actually fix the problem instead of butchering it away. You're welcome to bitch and moan with all the what abouts, but here is a case where YOU blatantly violated Misplaced Pages policy. I will offer another much-needed reminder that Misplaced Pages:Editing policy is exactly that, a policy. Shame on you. Alansohn (talk) 03:45, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- You put in the same reference not once but twice that didn't say any such thing. If you bothered to read the talk page discussion I linked to this is a major concern of not just me but other people around here. Let's not forget West Windsor, New Jersey where you allowed a major violation of BLP, not to mention the reference not saying any such thing, to stand for six months. You try to own all NJ articles but you disavow all the screwups you or others make. If something is in an article with a reference saying no such thing, it shouldn't be there. Please explain why it should....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:15, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- For all your tantrum above, this edit demonstrates that the individual is notable and that her connection to Peapack-Gladstone, New Jersey is backed by a reliable and verifiable source, one that you would have found if you had bothered to fulfill your obligations under WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM to make an effort to actually fix the problem instead of butchering it away. You're welcome to bitch and moan with all the what abouts, but here is a case where YOU blatantly violated Misplaced Pages policy. I will offer another much-needed reminder that Misplaced Pages:Editing policy is exactly that, a policy. Shame on you. Alansohn (talk) 03:45, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
June 2022
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Mifter (talk) 04:04, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Mifter: Serious you fail reading comprehension. The article says 53 dead. The garbage reference says 69. IN THE HEADLINE. If you or anyone else can't see that, you shouldn't be editing here alone be an administrator. This type of garbage referencing is a plague at WP and here is just one case of the many times I have said that. And as always the incompetent or clueless administrators, punish the editors who take this shit out of the article (Check Naomi Ishisaka out) for proof or these two admins getting on my case for taking shit out of articles. Now prove to me you can read what I just wrote....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 16:26, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Another thing that any uninvolved editor can easily see is that if you had been WP:CIVIL and provided a better edit caption, you would not have been blocked. Civility isn't just for other people, it's for you too. It would be easy to provide a series of diff's showing you that most of your edit wars and all of your blocks would not have occurred if you didn't engage other editors with such an unpleasant demeanor. Jacona (talk) 17:25, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I appreciate that you are frustrated, however would again caution you against being uncivil or making personal attacks. I am happy to discuss the rationale for my actions, however incivility and personal attacks are exceptionally damaging to the project and, just as I treat you civilly, I expect the same in return. The block I imposed was for a violation of 3RR taking into account, among other things, that you were uncivil when you addressed the IP on the article's talk page as well as your prior block/warning history for edit warring and civility. To your point about the IP's source, I have no stake in the outcome of this dispute, however, in reviewing the substance of the proposed addition prior to my issuing a block (to see, among other things, if a 3RR exception applied), would note that the reference the IP was adding (as well as a second reference I located in a quick search repeating the quote the IP is relying on) stated that "there were still conflicting reports on the number of people aboard the Fokker F-28 and how many people survived the fiery crash" (IP source with the headline noting "67 people were killed") and "there was still no firm word on the number of people who were aboard the Fokker F-28 jet nor how many people survived" (secondary UPI source I located) which, given that the news articles were published contemporaneously with the crash, is not terribly surprising. However, the specific information the IP is relying on (which appears in both their source and the secondary source I located) does not relate to the preliminary reports of the number of dead (which are likely to be inaccurate), rather a description of a radio broadcast from "Vice President Alex Ekwueme" about the crash stating that the crashed flight was "flight WT-250". The decision for whether or not the source(s) is/are credible/reliable enough to support including the flight number in the article is one I will leave to you, the IP, any any other editors who may comment, however, on its face I would not consider the sources to be so easily discarded as unreliable or inaccurate to justify simply reverting without discussion (i.e. there is reasonable argument that facts about the flight number are likely to be known prior to a crash and may be accurate in initial reports even if the preliminary number of dead is not). To the other points you raise about prior discussions/other articles, as noted above, my actions here were solely as a result of your 3RR violation and edit-warring on Nigeria Airways and are not meant to be punitive. I was not aware of and did not take into account any specific actions/discussions that may have occurred at other places (excepting that, as noted above, a cursory review showed you have a history of civility/edit warring blocks and warnings). Thank you, Mifter Public (talk) 17:51, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
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June 2022
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Cullen328 (talk) 05:26, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
- You are blocked for other reasons as well, including including repeated edit warring, disruptive editing including personal attacks and harassment, and signature related disruption. I will not support any unblock request that does not include acceptance of an indefinite 1RR restriction and a rock solid personal promise to never ever make a personal attack on another editor again, and to change your disruptive signature to something utterly uncontroversial. Cullen328 (talk) 05:31, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Proposed deletion of Neil Wilson (baseball)
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1953 disestablishments in Argentina
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1947 disestablishments in Virginia
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Nomination of Neil Wilson (baseball) for deletion
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Navigation to categories for alumni by private school
Thanks for removing the alumni by private school from "People from Foo" categories since you are quite right that the students many not be from that town (example). It's also important to leave some other local parent category so readers can still navigate to the category though. For instance, I just added Category:Sayre School alumni to Category:Education in Lexington, Kentucky which seems both accurate and helpful. Hopefully you return to editing soon but, in the mean time, I'll do some cleanup here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:05, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- @RevelationDirect: - you can note that this user was indef blocked in June 2022 and is no longer here. - Ahunt (talk) 19:27, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2006 disestablishments in New Hampshire
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2019 disestablishments in Montana
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