Talk:Parvati: Difference between revisions

Browse history interactively ← Previous editContent deleted Content addedVisual WikitextInline

Revision as of 04:25, 6 April 2010 editSkyerise (talk \| contribs)Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers, Rollbackers141,569 edits →Parvati's image: and...← Previous edit		Latest revision as of 21:43, 4 October 2024 edit undoArnold300 (talk \| contribs)128 edits →Is Parvati really equal to Uma and Durga and maheshvari etc.. ?: ReplyTags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit Reply
(108 intermediate revisions by 62 users not shown)
Line 1:		Line 1:
			{{Talk header}}
	{{WikiProject Hinduism\|class=B\|importance=top\|myth=yes}}
			{{Ct/tn\|ipa}}
			{{Indian English}}
			{{WikiProject banner shell\|class=B\|vital=yes\|collapsed=yes\|1=
			{{WikiProject Hinduism\|importance=top\|Shaktism=yes}}
			{{WikiProject Mythology\|importance=top}}
			{{WikiProject India\|importance=mid}}
			{{WikiProject Women's History\|importance=high}}
			{{WikiProject Women}}
			{{WikiProject Religion\|importance=top}}
			{{WikiProject Nepal\|importance=Low}}
			{{WikiProject Women in Religion\|importance=high}}
			}}
			{{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis
			\| age=2160
			\| archiveprefix=Talk:Parvati/Archive
			\| numberstart=1
			\| maxarchsize=250000
			\| header={{Automatic archive navigator}}
			\| minkeepthreads=5
			\| minarchthreads=1
			\| format= %%i
			}}

			== Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2020 ==
	Dakshayani should be merged into this article. Parvati is the most common name. ] 10:12, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

			{{edit semi-protected\|Parvati\|answered=yes}}
	:Good idea, unfortunately there are many hinduism pages on wikipedia that should only be one. Before there was Shiva and Mahadeva, and there are many more to still be merged. <b><font color="darkblue">]</font><font color="lightblue">]</font></b> ''<sup><font color="orange">]</font>'' <b><font color="gold">]</font></b></sup> 10:42, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
			Change: "Parvati is the wife of the Hindu god Shiva"

			To: "Shiva is the equal complementary partner of Parvati" ] (]) 21:36, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
	no....because.......other ppl might look for parvati
			:] '''Not done:''' Please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> '''<span style="font-family: 'Georgia';">] <span style="color: #000000"><small>(])</small></span></span>''' 13:11, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

			== Goddess parvati's names ==
	:What do you mean, that makes no sense. When people are looking for Dakshayani or Parvati, they are looking for the same goddess, until you have some strange sort of Hindu cult. <b><font color="darkblue">]</font><font color="lightblue">]</font></b> ''<sup><font color="orange">]</font>'' <b><font color="gold">]</font></b></sup> 08:32, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

			She has many names like Kalika, Tara, Durga but there only 5 or 6 . ] (]) 14:04, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

			::{{ping\|Agnik Maji}} She has many names, they are mentioned in the body. We have included only significant names in the body. ]•<sup>]]</sup> 14:47, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
	I predict that anyone who knows anything about Hindusism would reccomend that the two be merged. Personally, I believe the best course of action is to just change the Dakshayani page to Parvati! ] 18:52, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

			== Is Parvati really equal to Uma and Durga and maheshvari etc.. ? ==
	Merger is not required as there is some differences. I will add fresh inputs to these two pages to make the matter clear. --] 15:49, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

			Sati, Uma, Gauri, Durga, Kali, Aparna, Girija, Haimavati, Shankari, Maheshvari ... ???
	==Clarification==
	I realise that the two wives of Shiva were actually two birth (incarnations) on earth of the same goddess Uma. The first wife renounced her material self in order to be born "the daughter of a father who she could respect", was thus reborn, and wed the same lord Shiva again. I have made specific mention of all this in the ] article.

			In the Siva-purana Uma is a consort of bhairava. In the Shiva Sutra, the 'Playful Uma' is considered the 'Power of Will'. She is the active principle in creation. The Linga Purana states : 'All that can create is but a form of 'Uma', here resembling Mula-Prakriti.
	However, when I first created the "Dakshayani" page on 16/July/05, I designed it specifically to deal with the many legend and devotions regarding the FIRST wife of Shiva. This was a daughter of Daksha, hence I chose the appropriate name "Dakshayani" (which cannot be confused with "Parvati") as the title. I know that several names of Dakshayani (including "Sati", "Gowri" and "Lalitha") are also routinely applied to Parvati, second wife of Shiva and daughter of Himavan. However, the cluster of legends associated with Parvati had best be kept on the "Parvati" page while the "Dakshayani" page is devoted to the first ''Avatara''. This is best; please keep it so.

			Sati kills herself in the yajna . Parvati was Sati's reincarnation after her death. Parvati is transformed into Mahamaya during her marriage in Shivas cage.
	As an anology, ] & ] are both ''avataras'' of the same ]; does it make sense to merge the three articles together? Similarly this case. ] 02:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

			Maheshvari is the shakti of Isvara - also Mahamaya but a higher form than the transformed Parvati.
	However, the Dakshayani/Sati page has more information than Parvati, which is just bizarre. Most people would mean Parvati when speaking of Devi in the form of Shiva's consort. Most of the time you'll see Sati described as the originating personality of Parvati rather than the Goddess which is seen to exist beside Shiva in the present tense. It's not so much a case of Rama and Krishna but of the butter-stealing babe versus the lover and the prince. And even then the analogy doesn't entirely work--there are plenty of legends of Parvati, but if you look for the first incarnation, you'll get the self-immolation story and little else: she simply doesn't have as big a role in the mythology and practice as Parvati does. Comparing the two articles on Misplaced Pages, you'd get the opposite idea, and it strikes me as misinformation--it's wildly in contrast with the info provided in most sources, which would fit a controversial study/interpretation by an independent scholar, but not an encyclopedia article. I don't have an issue about a different aspect having her own page, but I can't see why so many internal links within Misplaced Pages should point to Sati when what they mean is Parvati. That, I think, is what people want to acheive by a merger. I'd propose moving a lot of the information from Dakshayani to Parvati and fixing internal links to point to Parvati (and include a brief description of her first incarnation within this article) rather than a merger. After all, there's a separate Nataraja page for Shiva, a Narayan page for Vishnu, etc...--] 18:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

			This article is a mixture of not-understanding the tantric contexts ]] (]) 15:45, 14 March 2023 (UTC) (]) 15:43, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
	==Hoary?==
	Please see
	3. So old as to inspire veneration; ancient. ] 11:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

			:I agree. There are some striking distinctions between the various forms that have been collected together in this article and unhelpfully oversimplified.
			:Not the least of these is that Uma, as described in the Siva Sutras, although a consort of Siva is also a virgin. I'm not aware of any claim that she is also a mother, but that would create some interesting syncretic parallels.
			:I believe it would make more sense if there was a separate page for each of these goddess forms with reference perhaps to the fact that they are often confuted. ] (]) 10:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
			:I think to make it “easier” everything is piled under one Goddess but I can’t say about the accuracy because scriptures beg to differ. ] (]) 21:43, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

			== Use of the phrase "Hindu Mythology" ==
	There needs to be a more extensive list of Parvati temples; not just those in Tamil Nadu.

			While I understand that this well-written article was created with good intentions, the phrase "Hindu Mythology" has erupted throughout all Misplaced Pages articles about Hinduism- or Hindu-related gods and can be interpreted as disrespectful. Hinduism is a religion, a way of life, and the 1 billion people who follow this way of life hold its "myths" in high regard. The phrase "Hindu mythology" has been incorrectly used synonymously with the religion for many years, which is understandable, but perhaps it is time to modify that. It is disturbing to simply dismiss the religion as "mythology" given that it is still practiced by a significant portion of the world's population (about 15%). Additionally, as a Hindu myself, I believe it to be quite disrespectful to both my existence and my beliefs, and I have no doubt that other Hindus will share this opinion. Devi Parvati, our Adi Shakti, is a reality for many, so please refrain from dismissing our goddess as a myth. I humbly request that the use of mythology in this article should be corrected. I will also be posting this on many other talks including the Hindu Mythology wiki page.
	There should especially be some research done into the temples to Parvati in the Himalayan region as she is said to be the daughter of Himalaya, or Haimavat. The trouble is, the Aryan invasion hit the northern region quite hard, and if we assume Parvati to be a non-aryan deity, then a lot of the traces of her worship can be assumed to be lost. I haven't the means at my disposal to research this but I think it's a worthy project] (]) 19:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

	== Removed unsourced devotee praise ==

	What is indoprofile - the ref provided by anon???

	"Of Goddesses, one stands above all: Parvati. In certain texts she is even called the Goddess of Wealth, Lakshmi, and the Goddess of Learning, Saraswati, in addition to being idolized as the Goddess of power." needs a ref

	"The daughter of the snowclad mountains. The consort of Shiva. The one who is incarnation of all energy, she is '''A Parvati''', also called Uma, Gauri, Durga, Kali and so on. "
	"She, Sati, Parvati, Gauri is the consort of the magnificent Shiva. She, Kali, is also the consort of Time, as Shiva himself is the embodiment of time in his form as Mahakala. "
	: Names already listed

	"A long, long time ago, Brahma created a beautiful maiden called Sati who was born to a king called Daksha. Siva married her. Years of conjugal bliss followed. One day, however, Sati heard that a major religious function was being celebrated in her father’s house. She was a little upset that her parents had not invited her or her husband. After tossing and turning in bed for many a night, one morning she decided she would go even if she were uninvited.

	After all it was only to her father’s house, Siva, however, cautioned her. He did not want her to go uninvited. Sati thought a while, but eventually left because she just wanted to go to her parents. There, as Siva had predicted, Sati was insulted. She jumped into the sacred fire burning for the ceremony for she could not bear to go back and tell her husband her parents had insulted her.

	Siva was enraged. He was deeply grieved. He just could not bear the loss. As he carried her body across the country, different parts of her body are believed to have fallen off in many places and even today these places are sacred in Hindu mythology."
	: The story is already written in ].

	"Of Durga and her ferocious form, the story is told as this:
	Once upon a time there was a demon called Mahishasura. He was troubling the people on earth. No God could subdue him. All the gods came together and their energies together formed the goddess called Durga. The Gods then empowered her with their weapons which epitomized their strength. Thus armed and blessed, Durga went to tackle Mahishasura. She vanquished him and thereupon came to be called Mahishasura mardini or the killer of Mahisha the demon.

	This month, all over India, Dusshera is being celebrated. Dusshera celebrates this story of how Durga conquered Mahishasura. In the eastern part of the country, Dusshera is called Durga puja or praying to Durga.<ref>indoprofile</ref>"
	: Already written in ]. The identification of Durga and Parvati is not unanimous. Discussed in "Other goddessessection"

	"For a deity with such a profile, Parvati is rather unassuming. Of course as Durga or Kali she is portrayed as ferocious, but therein too lies a story painted in the live colours of the indignation of the wronged."
	: The identification of Parvati and Kali is not unanimous.

	"A happy marriage lasted many years, and guess where the problem came when it did? Siva and Parvati were playing around when Siva called her, “Kali, Kali”. Now Kali means black and Parvati was very dark complexioned. Brahma had in fact made a deliberate decision to make her so because he did not want the world to know that Sati was being reincarnated. Now Parvati was deeply offended that her husband should think of the colour of her skin to hail her with. He could have called her any number of endearing words instead.

	So she told him that she was going. That she would not meet him again till she was fair complexioned. Bewildered Siva was left ruing his tongue while Parvati went into the forests to do severe penance.

	Another thousand years of penance, and Brahma appeared before Parvati. She asked for golden coloured skin. Brahma granted her the boon. Thereon Parvati came to be called Gauri or the one with skin the colour of gold."
	: Story is told once in the article as "The apparent contradiction that Parvati is addressed as the fair one, Gauri as well as the dark one Kali or Shyama can be explained by the following Hindu myth: when Shiva rebuked Parvati about her dark skin colour, the angry Parvati left him and underwent severe penace to get a fair colour as a boon from Brahma."

	"As a mother, Parvati is looked upon as the mother, Parvati is looked upon as the mother of all creation; the Mother Goddess." REf needed for "the mother of all creation"

	"As a woman Parvati has the distinction of one who had '''the most devoted''' husband" Ref
	--] (]) 11:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

	== Note for anon editor 59.94.246.157 ==

	Dear anon 59.94.246.157, great work done on ] but some of the matter written by you is maybe ] and page nos. are needed for kingsley. Please create an account on wikipedia. Wiki needs fine editors like you. Regards. --] (]) 14:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

	Sentences are ] without refs: so removed from article.
	"The Parvati River in the region of Himachal Pradesh is a glacial runoff and is cold enough to stop the heart from beating. It is noted for flash floods, and the locals fear the Goddess. Parvati Valley is adjacent to the Kullu Valley (The famous Valley of the Gods) which was once considered to be the last inhabitable place by man. Any region north of Kullu Valley was thought of as the exclusive region of the Gods. Even in her own valley, Parvati’s worship has declined, to be replaced by other Goddesses and a large Sikh Temple (Gurdwar), but even today, traces of the old religion remain."{{Talkfact}}
	--] (]) 09:59, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

	Dear Redtiger,
	Thank you for your consideration and compliments on my editating. I found the reference for the section on Kullu and Parvati valleys and posted them with the reference. I don't want to discuss frivolous topics on Misplaced Pages, but it would be fun to discuss some of these religious and mystical aspects of Hinduism without some of the restrictions of Misplaced Pages, so is there a means of dropping you a line? I am 59.94.246.157. Also known as] (]) 18:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

	Removed the matter again as it is ] to the valley. A different article for the Valley can be formed and the info added there. If you need to talk to me, write on my talk page, whose link you will find in my sign ahead. --] (]) 12:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

	:"Her complexion is dark brown, but not black." unreferenced and contradiction to she represented as fair.--] (]) 11:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

	== Parvati's image ==

	{{Gallery
	\|width=150
	\|lines=2
	\|File:Shiv-parvati.jpg\|Current image
	\|File:Parvati Ganesha.jpg\|Alternate #1
	}}

	The current image (left) was being used before the alternate # 1 image (right). The image on the left used widely in iconography of ] and ]. The image on the left is highly offensive as it shows ] with uncovered breasts, and quite unnatural for the theme of breast-feeding. Has anybody seen a mother breast-feeding a child with both of her breast exposed? The image shows Ganesha sucking on one nipple and consciously fondling with the other one. To me it is utterly offensive, and I don't see the point of the painter. It can be someone's art but it is certainly unfit to be the lead image. Why doesn't Misplaced Pages have such an image of Jesus and Marry? If Misplaced Pages does not use such images as lead images for ] and ], then why users like ] are hurting Hindus by putting such content?] (]) 18:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
	:: Thanks for ]. ] has an inapprppriate copyright. No evidence of PD claim. ] is old and reliable. Also, if you scroll down the 8th cenntury ellora image, 9th century elephanta image, 10th century Chola image, 11th century sculpture image show the goddess with an exposed upper body. They are symbolic of her fertility. --] <sup> ] </sup> 04:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
	:::This is not a personal attack. Do you have any answer to my questions about representation of ] and ] in Misplaced Pages, and their images? We say A for 'apple', not A for 'azure'! What do say about ]'s paintings and ? -- ] (]) 06:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
	:::: Pls dont indulge in personal attacks. The lead image is a traditional painting, depends on how one perceives it. However, I feel Raja Ravi Varma's painting to be of better quality. I don't think is Ravi Varma's painting. --] (]) 09:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
	I agree with the above poster. This image is not a symbolic image of Parvati. It's an obscure depiction. If you want to depict the Goddess in the proper way, you must pick something that is more representative. There are hundreds if not thousands of images that are more reflective of Parvati. Let us please change the image. Thank you.] (]) 12:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
	:: The lead Parvati image is changed. --] <sup> ] </sup> 05:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

			I believe the article (linked below) put it best...although the words myth or mythology itself do not mean fiction, they certainly imply it. Perhaps using the a phrase "Hindu epics" or even "Hinduism" itself is a start.
	:::I have deleted the alternate#1 () image even from the second place as it is obscene in many ways. 1) Have you seen mothers feeding their babies with both breast exposed or half covered? The image shows breast feeding obscenity. 2) The image shows the baby Ganesha sucking one nipple and pulling the other -- what is this? The painter did his job but his description does not fit the contemporary vision. Moreover, it would offend many Hindus. I think we can live without that image.] (]) 09:59, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

			https://bookriot.com/hindu-epics-are-they-myths/
	::::This is my first comment in Wiki. I totally agree with "All Knowledge Is For All". The alternate#1 image is obscene. I have seen thousands of images and sculptures of Parvati and none is of such nature. --] (]) 19:15, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

	Misplaced Pages is ]. This is not open to change by consensus. If your reasons for not including the image is that you find it offensive, that's censorship. It's a valid tradition historical image, it's hosted on Misplaced Pages commons, and it applies to this article. Please don't remove it again. ] (]) 19:57, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

			Thank you for understanding and hope to see some changes! :) ] (]) 20:56, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
	::In context of censoring, let me ask all the proponents of image (), "What does it tell you about Parvati? Is it a mainstream image? How does the inclusion of this image improve the quality of this article?" Quoting the Wiki concept of censoring in a robotic way does not explain anything. In an encyclopedia article on ], is it needed to display the these controversial cartoons ()? No, in my opinion, and this has not been done in Wiki till now. Well, the cartoons are not censored by Wiki, but they make no sense in an article on Muhammed so they are not included there. An encyclopedia can not be a bin for everything. Like many others, I suppose, on grounds of reason and rationality, that this image need not included in article on Parvati. --] (]) 20:45, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

			:The phrase ] is also used here. That’s a thing worth noting ] ❤️💚💙 ] 23:03, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
	:::Breasts are not inherently obscene, nor is ]. Your desire to censor the image says more about you than about the image. You will note that the ] article shows actual breasts and breastfeeding. Why would we censor a painting of something that is natural and nutritional? Its source is an ''art gallery''. This is not porn! ] (]) 20:52, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
			::Yes, I realize that my comment may have been quite one-sided, seeing that I only mentioned the use of only "Hindu Mythology". While I have not noticed the use of the phrase "Christian Mythology" in this article, I did realize there are many mentions of the phrases "Roman Mythology" and "Greek Mythology." I do think it is quite important that we refrain from using mythology to describe any set of cultures, religion, or beliefs. Although some may believe it is moral to refer to the Greek and Roman beliefs as mythological for it is "ancient," it is significant to remember that at least 100,000 to 200,000 believe in the religion. As a whole, it should be noted that even if one person on this planet believes in a certain way of life, we should respect that belief and not describe with derogatory terms such as the word "mythology." Once again, I respectfully ask the author of this wikipedia page to correct their use of the word "mythology" as I do not wish to step past my boundaries and edit the author's hard work on my own. ] (]) 00:51, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
			:::I accidentally edited something in the article but I did undo it- sorry about that! ] (]) 00:55, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

			== Continuous Vandalism ==
	::::] has edited the image without even reading the discussion about it. You did not take out the time to answer any of my questions -- neither about Muhammed nor these: 1) Have you seen mothers feeding their babies with '''both''' breast exposed or '''half covered'''? The image shows breast feeding obscenity. 2) The image shows the baby '''Ganesha sucking one nipple and pulling the other''' -- what is this? I hope we understand what a discussion is. --] (]) 21:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

			This user @] is continuously edit warring with various editors and is adamant on adding Durga and kali as other names in the infobox of Parvati which is a clear vandalism, he is not ready to start a discussion on the talk page and broke 3 revert rule long back, also this user has a history of running his personal propaganda on the article ]. If you want to report this to adminstrators for his temporary ban or request protection for the page do it or do whatever you all want. @] @] @] @] ] (]) 12:22, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
	:::::Yes, I've seen mothers breastfeed. Children frequently grab the other tittie. There is nothing obscene about it. ] (]) 04:21, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

			:Isn't the user reverting to the long-term stable version of the page? That's what they claim, at least. If so, that's the version that should remain until a new consensus is reached. (And if not, my mistake! I don't have time to go through the entire page history right now) ] (]) 12:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
	:::::Oh, and you might want to read the recent news on the health benefits of breastfeeding for both the mother and the child. For example, , , . This isn't the Victorian era, thank Parvati! ] (]) 04:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
			::It was changed, he added them again. Also do you think that adding Durga and Kali in other names is right, even if it was a long term version? Aren't they her forms. I don't think consensus is needed for removing wrong information. ] (]) 12:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
			::@] Thank you for recognizing that I am simply reverting the unnecessary removal of information by users and restoring the article to its long-term stable version. I have not added anything new to the content. ] (]) 12:58, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
			:@] I have been restoring the names that have been part of this article for years. Is that considered vandalism? You’re the one who removed these names without justification, acting as if your opinion is the only correct one while disregarding the contributions of others who have worked on this article for years. Why should I initiate a discussion on the talk page just because you want me to? Who do you think you are—the Chief Editing Officer of Misplaced Pages ? ] (]) 12:47, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
			::Nope, they were removed several days before, at that time too you tried to revert that edit but some other user reverted you that day, today you added them again. And I am not some making baseless accusation against you, your talk page and your edit history clearly reveals your personal propaganda on this article. ] (]) 12:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
			:::@] Reply #3
			:::You're just weeping the word "propaganda" over and over like a child without having the guts to point out what specific edit you're talking about, why it's propaganda, or what exactly is wrong with it, clearly state the problem like an adult first. Further, I have barely added anything to the article and mostly have reverted the removal of long-standing components because the article has been built by countless writers over decades and doesn’t need unnecessary changes. But narcissistic users like you want to vandalize it by randomly deleting content you don't personally agree with, and then you create talk pages over trivial stuff just to get attention. ] (]) 14:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
			::::From what I see you are the one continuously whining on the article Parvati's edit section. And according to you long- standing wrong components doesn't need any improvement, they should never be corrected just because they are old. Moreover this is not matter of restoring stable version of the article, this is about vandalism by you. If these names were not added by you today itself and you are restoring the old version, I dare you to restore yesterday's or day before yesterday's version of this article and let's see Durga and Kali names were present there or not. ] (]) 14:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
			:::::@] what do you think about adding names like Durga and Kali in Parvati's infobox, aren't they her forms? Both are already added as form in affiliations. And isn't infobox is for adding mainstream information and major names? ] (]) 15:08, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
			::::::@]
			::::::Subject: Addressing the Misconception that Durga and Kali are Not Names of Devi Parvati
			::::::Citation #1
			::::::पुनश्च पार्वती जाता देवप्रार्थनया शिवा।
			::::::तपः कृत्वा सुविपुलं पुनः शिवमुपागता ॥४२॥
			::::::तस्या नामान्यनेकानि जातानि च मुनीश्वर।
			::::::कालिका चंडिका भद्रा चामुंडा विजया जया ॥४३॥
			::::::जयंती भद्रकाली च दुर्गा भगवतीति च।
			::::::कामाख्या कामदा अम्बा मृडानी सर्वमंगला ॥४४॥
			::::::नामधेयान्यनेकानि भुक्तिमुक्तिप्रदानि च।
			::::::गुणकर्मानुरूपाणि प्रायशस्तत्र पार्वती ॥४५॥
			::::::Hereafter, by the prayers of the gods, the same Goddess Shivaa appeared in the form of Parvati, and after performing great penance, she again attained unto Lord Shiva. O Muniśwar! Many of her names became famous in this world. She has many names, such as Kalikā, Chandikā, Bhadrā, Chamundā, Vijayā, Jayā, Jayanti, Bhadrakālī, Durgā, Bhagavati, Kāmākhyā, Kāmadā, Ambā, Mridāni, and Sarvamaṅgalā, which giveth enjoyment and salvation. These names are according to her qualities and deeds.
			::::::~ Śiva Purāna, Rudrasamhitā, chapter 16 ] (]) 15:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::For your information, infobox is for mainstream information. I don't need your clarifications, I started this discussion pointing what's wrong with the article and about you continuously gatekeeping this article and reverting the constructive edits. If other users don't care about improving the quality of the article, it's not my loss. Neither wikipedia nor this article is mine. ] (]) 15:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
			:@] Reply #2
			:Also what personal propaganda are you referring to? Reverting the article to its long-standing stable version is considered propaganda now? Think before making baseless claims about others on a public platform. ] (]) 12:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 21:43, 4 October 2024

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Parvati article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Misplaced Pages? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: Index, 1Auto-archiving period: 3 months

The contentious topics procedure applies to this page. This page is related to India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, which has been designated as a contentious topic.

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

This article is written in Indian English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, analysed, defence) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.

This

level-5 vital article is rated B-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to multiple WikiProjects.

Hinduism: Shaktism Top‑importance

	Hinduism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Hinduism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Hinduism on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.HinduismWikipedia:WikiProject HinduismTemplate:WikiProject HinduismHinduism
Top	This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by the Shaktism task force (assessed as Top-importance).

Mythology Top‑importance

	Mythology portal This article is supported by WikiProject Mythology. This project provides a central approach to Mythology-related subjects on Misplaced Pages. Please participate by editing the article, and help us assess and improve articles to good and 1.0 standards, or visit the WikiProject page for more details.MythologyWikipedia:WikiProject MythologyTemplate:WikiProject MythologyMythology
Top	This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

India Mid‑importance

	India portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject India, which aims to improve Misplaced Pages's coverage of India-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.IndiaWikipedia:WikiProject IndiaTemplate:WikiProject IndiaIndia
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Women's History High‑importance

	History portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women's History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Women's history and related articles on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women's HistoryWikipedia:WikiProject Women's HistoryTemplate:WikiProject Women's HistoryWomen's History
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Women

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of women on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.WomenWikipedia:WikiProject WomenTemplate:WikiProject WomenWikiProject Women

Religion Top‑importance

	Religion portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Religion, a project to improve Misplaced Pages's articles on Religion-related subjects. Please participate by editing the article, and help us assess and improve articles to good and 1.0 standards, or visit the wikiproject page for more details.ReligionWikipedia:WikiProject ReligionTemplate:WikiProject ReligionReligion
Top	This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

Nepal Low‑importance

	Nepal portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Nepal, which aims to improve Misplaced Pages's coverage of Nepal-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page and add your name to the member's list.NepalWikipedia:WikiProject NepalTemplate:WikiProject NepalNepal
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Women in Religion High‑importance

	This article is within the scope of the Women in Religion WikiProject, a collaborative effort to improve Misplaced Pages's coverage of Women in religion. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.Women in ReligionWikipedia:WikiProject Women in ReligionTemplate:WikiProject Women in ReligionWomen in Religion
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2020

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Change: "Parvati is the wife of the Hindu god Shiva"

To: "Shiva is the equal complementary partner of Parvati" Akashiac (talk) 21:36, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Not done: Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MediaKill13 (talk) 13:11, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Goddess parvati's names

She has many names like Kalika, Tara, Durga but there only 5 or 6 . Agnik Maji (talk) 14:04, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

@Agnik Maji: She has many names, they are mentioned in the body. We have included only significant names in the body. .💠245CMR💠.• 14:47, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Is Parvati really equal to Uma and Durga and maheshvari etc.. ?

Sati, Uma, Gauri, Durga, Kali, Aparna, Girija, Haimavati, Shankari, Maheshvari ... ???

In the Siva-purana Uma is a consort of bhairava. In the Shiva Sutra, the 'Playful Uma' is considered the 'Power of Will'. She is the active principle in creation. The Linga Purana states : 'All that can create is but a form of 'Uma', here resembling Mula-Prakriti.

Sati kills herself in the yajna . Parvati was Sati's reincarnation after her death. Parvati is transformed into Mahamaya during her marriage in Shivas cage.

Maheshvari is the shakti of Isvara - also Mahamaya but a higher form than the transformed Parvati.

This article is a mixture of not-understanding the tantric contexts Manbu Manbu (talk) 15:45, 14 March 2023 (UTC) (talk) 15:43, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree. There are some striking distinctions between the various forms that have been collected together in this article and unhelpfully oversimplified.

Not the least of these is that Uma, as described in the Siva Sutras, although a consort of Siva is also a virgin. I'm not aware of any claim that she is also a mother, but that would create some interesting syncretic parallels.

I believe it would make more sense if there was a separate page for each of these goddess forms with reference perhaps to the fact that they are often confuted. Trishul801 (talk) 10:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I think to make it “easier” everything is piled under one Goddess but I can’t say about the accuracy because scriptures beg to differ. Arnold300 (talk) 21:43, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Use of the phrase "Hindu Mythology"

While I understand that this well-written article was created with good intentions, the phrase "Hindu Mythology" has erupted throughout all Misplaced Pages articles about Hinduism- or Hindu-related gods and can be interpreted as disrespectful. Hinduism is a religion, a way of life, and the 1 billion people who follow this way of life hold its "myths" in high regard. The phrase "Hindu mythology" has been incorrectly used synonymously with the religion for many years, which is understandable, but perhaps it is time to modify that. It is disturbing to simply dismiss the religion as "mythology" given that it is still practiced by a significant portion of the world's population (about 15%). Additionally, as a Hindu myself, I believe it to be quite disrespectful to both my existence and my beliefs, and I have no doubt that other Hindus will share this opinion. Devi Parvati, our Adi Shakti, is a reality for many, so please refrain from dismissing our goddess as a myth. I humbly request that the use of mythology in this article should be corrected. I will also be posting this on many other talks including the Hindu Mythology wiki page.

I believe the article (linked below) put it best...although the words myth or mythology itself do not mean fiction, they certainly imply it. Perhaps using the a phrase "Hindu epics" or even "Hinduism" itself is a start.

https://bookriot.com/hindu-epics-are-they-myths/

Thank you for understanding and hope to see some changes! :) OtherstuffWP (talk) 20:56, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

The phrase Christian mythology is also used here. That’s a thing worth noting Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 23:03, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I realize that my comment may have been quite one-sided, seeing that I only mentioned the use of only "Hindu Mythology". While I have not noticed the use of the phrase "Christian Mythology" in this article, I did realize there are many mentions of the phrases "Roman Mythology" and "Greek Mythology." I do think it is quite important that we refrain from using mythology to describe any set of cultures, religion, or beliefs. Although some may believe it is moral to refer to the Greek and Roman beliefs as mythological for it is "ancient," it is significant to remember that at least 100,000 to 200,000 believe in the religion. As a whole, it should be noted that even if one person on this planet believes in a certain way of life, we should respect that belief and not describe with derogatory terms such as the word "mythology." Once again, I respectfully ask the author of this wikipedia page to correct their use of the word "mythology" as I do not wish to step past my boundaries and edit the author's hard work on my own. OtherstuffWP (talk) 00:51, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I accidentally edited something in the article but I did undo it- sorry about that! OtherstuffWP (talk) 00:55, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Continuous Vandalism

This user @Girīnandinī Nandana is continuously edit warring with various editors and is adamant on adding Durga and kali as other names in the infobox of Parvati which is a clear vandalism, he is not ready to start a discussion on the talk page and broke 3 revert rule long back, also this user has a history of running his personal propaganda on the article Parvati. If you want to report this to adminstrators for his temporary ban or request protection for the page do it or do whatever you all want. @Chariotrider555 @Seyamar @Asteramellus @Dāsānudāsa Hbanm (talk) 12:22, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Isn't the user reverting to the long-term stable version of the page? That's what they claim, at least. If so, that's the version that should remain until a new consensus is reached. (And if not, my mistake! I don't have time to go through the entire page history right now) Dāsānudāsa (talk) 12:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

It was changed, he added them again. Also do you think that adding Durga and Kali in other names is right, even if it was a long term version? Aren't they her forms. I don't think consensus is needed for removing wrong information. Hbanm (talk) 12:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@Dāsānudāsa Thank you for recognizing that I am simply reverting the unnecessary removal of information by users and restoring the article to its long-term stable version. I have not added anything new to the content. Girīnandinī Nandana (talk) 12:58, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hbanm I have been restoring the names that have been part of this article for years. Is that considered vandalism? You’re the one who removed these names without justification, acting as if your opinion is the only correct one while disregarding the contributions of others who have worked on this article for years. Why should I initiate a discussion on the talk page just because you want me to? Who do you think you are—the Chief Editing Officer of Misplaced Pages ? Girīnandinī Nandana (talk) 12:47, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Nope, they were removed several days before, at that time too you tried to revert that edit but some other user reverted you that day, today you added them again. And I am not some making baseless accusation against you, your talk page and your edit history clearly reveals your personal propaganda on this article. Hbanm (talk) 12:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hbanm Reply #3

You're just weeping the word "propaganda" over and over like a child without having the guts to point out what specific edit you're talking about, why it's propaganda, or what exactly is wrong with it, clearly state the problem like an adult first. Further, I have barely added anything to the article and mostly have reverted the removal of long-standing components because the article has been built by countless writers over decades and doesn’t need unnecessary changes. But narcissistic users like you want to vandalize it by randomly deleting content you don't personally agree with, and then you create talk pages over trivial stuff just to get attention. Girīnandinī Nandana (talk) 14:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

From what I see you are the one continuously whining on the article Parvati's edit section. And according to you long- standing wrong components doesn't need any improvement, they should never be corrected just because they are old. Moreover this is not matter of restoring stable version of the article, this is about vandalism by you. If these names were not added by you today itself and you are restoring the old version, I dare you to restore yesterday's or day before yesterday's version of this article and let's see Durga and Kali names were present there or not. Hbanm (talk) 14:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@Redtigerxyz what do you think about adding names like Durga and Kali in Parvati's infobox, aren't they her forms? Both are already added as form in affiliations. And isn't infobox is for adding mainstream information and major names? Hbanm (talk) 15:08, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hbanm

Subject: Addressing the Misconception that Durga and Kali are Not Names of Devi Parvati

Citation #1

पुनश्च पार्वती जाता देवप्रार्थनया शिवा।

तपः कृत्वा सुविपुलं पुनः शिवमुपागता ॥४२॥

तस्या नामान्यनेकानि जातानि च मुनीश्वर।

कालिका चंडिका भद्रा चामुंडा विजया जया ॥४३॥

जयंती भद्रकाली च दुर्गा भगवतीति च।

कामाख्या कामदा अम्बा मृडानी सर्वमंगला ॥४४॥

नामधेयान्यनेकानि भुक्तिमुक्तिप्रदानि च।

गुणकर्मानुरूपाणि प्रायशस्तत्र पार्वती ॥४५॥

Hereafter, by the prayers of the gods, the same Goddess Shivaa appeared in the form of Parvati, and after performing great penance, she again attained unto Lord Shiva. O Muniśwar! Many of her names became famous in this world. She has many names, such as Kalikā, Chandikā, Bhadrā, Chamundā, Vijayā, Jayā, Jayanti, Bhadrakālī, Durgā, Bhagavati, Kāmākhyā, Kāmadā, Ambā, Mridāni, and Sarvamaṅgalā, which giveth enjoyment and salvation. These names are according to her qualities and deeds.

~ Śiva Purāna, Rudrasamhitā, chapter 16 Girīnandinī Nandana (talk) 15:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

For your information, infobox is for mainstream information. I don't need your clarifications, I started this discussion pointing what's wrong with the article and about you continuously gatekeeping this article and reverting the constructive edits. If other users don't care about improving the quality of the article, it's not my loss. Neither wikipedia nor this article is mine. Hbanm (talk) 15:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hbanm Reply #2

Also what personal propaganda are you referring to? Reverting the article to its long-standing stable version is considered propaganda now? Think before making baseless claims about others on a public platform. Girīnandinī Nandana (talk) 12:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Categories: