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| == Non-existent reference == | |||
| As far as I can tell, "The December 2008 issue of The Bulletin of the National Codeine OTC Lobby (Vol. XVIII, No. 4)" is a false reference - this organization does not seem to actually exist beyond Misplaced Pages and other websites that only seem to copy/paste what is in this paragraph regarding OTC access to Codeine. I've had a professional literature search done and come back with absolutely nothing. | |||
| == Emprazil mention - kind of a leadon to a #5 formulation == | |||
| Emprazil has been banned in the United States since the 80's but was under scrutiny in the 60's. I don't need to cite a source for that as it's on Misplaced Pages already. By mentioning an Emprazil formulation with codeine with versions of 1-5, it leads one on to believe it is legal. Further mentioning of a #5 being 90mg codeine mislieads many to think there may be a Tylenol 5. | |||
| I just think it should be mentioned that Emprazil is banned in the United States and many western nations. In particular, Emprazil doesn't even exist! Only its generic which is rare. | |||
| Kyle <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 00:42, 15 August 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Schedule of codeine as a controlled substance needs revision == | |||
| Codeine formulations over 90mg and by itself is Schedule 2 in the U.S. but formulations such as APAP are schedule 3 and cough syrups like promethazine with codeine are schedule V. (Five.) I think listing it only as a schedule two can be misleading. Similarly, Schedule 1 in Canada, not all formulations. | |||
| While it may be accurate when mentioning pure codeine, most users are researching formulations (particularly APAP/codeine) and often just look for codeine. Yet it is wide knowledge that most codeine is in a mixture with other prominent meds. Just think it needs revision in several areas to better note that <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 00:47, 15 August 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == unsourced content from US availabability == | |||
| Moved here per ] | |||
| Bulk codeine falls into two categories, where codeine itself is used as an active ingredient portioned into medicines which can be Schedule II, III, IV, or V depending on composition and concentration, and where codeine is used as a precursor in making other drugs. Both categories of bulk codeine are Schedule II controlled substances, sharing an ACSCN of 9050. Bulk codeine for sale has an aggregate annual manufacturing quota for the US of 49 506.25 kilos as of 2013. Bulk codeine for conversion has a quota of 81 250 kilos. Both quotas are unchanged from the prior year. | |||
| The narcotic content number in the US names of codeine tablets and combination products (i.e., Tylenol With Codeine No. 3, Emprin With Codeine No. 4, the former Emprazil With Codeine No. 5 and pure codeine tablets) are as follows: No. 1 – 7½ or 8 mg (1/8 grain), No. 2 – 15 or 16 mg (1/4 grain), No. 3 – 30 or 32 mg (1/2 grain), No. 4 – 60 or 64 mg (1 grain), No. 5 – 90 or 96 mg (1 1/2 grains). The Canadian "Frosst 222"<ref></ref> series is identical to the above list: "222" contains 8 mg codeine, "282" 15 mg, "292" 30 mg, and "293" 60 mg. This system, which is also used at present in the trade names of some ] and ] products both in and outside of North America, was inaugurated with the ] of 1906 and related legislation and refined since. For example, the dihydrocodeine/aspirin/caffeine capsule Synalgos DC and its generic equivalents and paracetamol analogues are labelled as No. 2 (16 mg) or No. 3 (32 mg) in most cases; the No. 1 and 4 products disappeared decades ago, as did plain Synalgos without narcotic content. | |||
| Equivalent scales for labeling stronger opioids such as ] (heroin), ], opium salts mixtures, and others were in common use in the past, and on occasion one can find past references to brand names for ] (invented 1920, introduced in US 1943), ] (invented 1924), ] (invented 1916), ] and similar drugs containing narcotic content numbers. For example. from circa 1900 to 1925, the most common cough medicine was ] With Heroin Elixir No. 2. | |||
| Contrary to the advertising matter of some pharmacies, 60 mg is No. 4, not No. 6, and tablets with 45 mg of codeine are not No. 4 and would in all likelihood be classified as No. 3½ under that system. Whether the scale goes to No. 6 (presumably 2 grains or 120 or 128 mg) and higher is moot at this point, as in the United States and Canada single-dose-unit concentrations of more than 64 mg are no longer manufactured. The United States ] of 1970 does place dosage unit strengths of 90 mg of codeine and higher in Schedule II, even if mixed with another active ingredient. | |||
| Oral tablets, hypodermic tablets, liquid forms, and capsules of less common doses are available in some cases the equivalent dihydrocodeine, ], ], and opium dosages were previously available in North America (and in most cases still are in other countries, particularly the 45 mg paracetamol/codeine and 50 and 100 mg single-ingredient codeine tablets). | |||
| Preparations for cough or diarrhea containing small amounts of codeine in combination with two or more other active ingredients are Schedule V in the US, and in some states may be dispensed in amounts up to 4 fl. oz. per 48 hours (one or two states set the limit at 4 fl. oz. per 72 hours) without a prescription. Schedule V specifically consigns the product to state and local regulation beyond certain required record-keeping requirements (a dispensary log must be maintained for two years in a ledger from which pages cannot easily be removed and/or are pre-numbered, and the pharmacist must ask for photo identification) and also maintain controlled substances in the closed system at the root of the régime intended by the Controlled Substances Act of 1970; the codeine in these products was a Schedule II substance when the company making the Schedule V product acquired it for mixing up the end-product. | |||
| In locales where dilute codeine preparations are non-prescription, anywhere from very few to perhaps a moderate percentage of pharmacists will sell these preparations without a prescription. However, many states have their own laws that do require a prescription for Schedule V drugs. The December 2008 issue of ''The Bulletin of the National Codeine OTC Lobby'' (Vol. XVIII, No. 4) listed 12 states with some kind of OTC access to codeine, noting that small independent pharmacies are the most likely to have it. This situation is roughly equivalent to that in February 1991, when the aforementioned organisation undertook its first comprehensive study of Schedule V and overall codeine, dihydrocodeine, ], and ] availability. | |||
| Other drugs that are present in Schedule V narcotic preparations like the codeine syrups are ] and ]. ] and hydrocodone were transferred to Schedule III from Schedule V even if the preparation contains two or more other active ingredients, and ] is usually covered by state prescription laws even though this relative of ] is a Schedule V substance when adulterated with atropine to prevent abuse. | |||
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| The sourced bit there is actually not supported by the source provided. -- ] (]) 19:49, 17 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Duplicate References == | |||
| References 4 and 14 are identical references, so are 5 and 15. The duplicates should be removed and the reference points in the article need to be updated with the remaining reference numbers. | |||
| ] (]) 16:41, 27 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ==Missing Antecedent== | |||
| Under pharmacokinetics it reads: "Srinivasan, Wielbo and Tebbett speculate that codeine-6-glucuronide is responsible for a large percentage of the analgesia of codeine, and, thus, these patients should experience some analgesia." But there is no reference to patients anywhere in the preceding paragraph. Who are these patients? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:06, 19 July 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Prescription drug driving impairment and legal penalties. == | == Prescription drug driving impairment and legal penalties. == | ||
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| Laws have recently been introduced in this area in the UK. There is no information on the subject in this article about this anywhere in the world. Should the ignorance of the possibility of driving impairment due to 'normal' use of prescription codeine and the possible legal penalties be included in this article? This is complicated by the fact the the UK legal limit is in metabolised opium per litre of blood, which will vary due to genetic differences. | Laws have recently been introduced in this area in the UK. There is no information on the subject in this article about this anywhere in the world. Should the ignorance of the possibility of driving impairment due to 'normal' use of prescription codeine and the possible legal penalties be included in this article? This is complicated by the fact the the UK legal limit is in metabolised opium per litre of blood, which will vary due to genetic differences. | ||
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== Codeine and allergic cough == | ||
| Codeine definitely helps allergic cough too, as well as cough caused by mucus, in the throat, and so on. I dont see that explicitly stated anywhere in the article, so I was thinking it should be added. Also, chronic cough it definitely helps with. | |||
| About the side effects, it can cause vomiting too, but this is not stated. At high doses, it can even cause Gastritis, inflammation of the stomach. ] (]) 03:21, 10 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| In the History section, the article talks about "codeine-based barbiturates" and then goes on to list a number of different barbiturate drugs. However, the connection between these and codeine is not expanded upon in any way. Even clicking the links to the articles about the specific barbiturates doesn't yield any information, as none of those articles make any mention of codeine. I think the problem is with the phrase "codeine-based barbiturates" which would seem to indicate that a codeine molecule is connected to a barbiturate molecule, when that does not appear to be the case for any of these. Is it talking about preparations where codeine is combined with a barbiturate? If so, none of the specific articles on the barbiturates themselves mention formulations containing codeine, so I'm left wondering where this phrase came from. ] (]) 17:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| == Isn`t 'Legal status' unduly long? == | |||
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| I`m a lamer, I don`t undestand wikipedia`s hiden universe and etc, I`m terribly sorry for this invasion. | |||
| Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 04:59, 10 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
| But why does this chapter exist in that exact way? | |||
| I don't think the data on time-to-time changing local laws should be there. | |||
| In fact, it`s useles - I cheked for Latvia (cus I`m patriot) and Co-Codamol is now only sold by prescription and 30mg. | |||
| If they need that data for purpose, they still can`t relate without doublechecking - no sense found. | |||
| And I also can`t just delete, it will be "-1000 & undo" | |||
| P.S. I know rules about spam and questioning newbies, but I realy don`t know is this topic spam one or not - will pray for my IP not to be blocked. ] (]) 07:15, 6 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Prescription drug driving impairment and legal penalties.
Laws have recently been introduced in this area in the UK. There is no information on the subject in this article about this anywhere in the world. Should the ignorance of the possibility of driving impairment due to 'normal' use of prescription codeine and the possible legal penalties be included in this article? This is complicated by the fact the the UK legal limit is in metabolised opium per litre of blood, which will vary due to genetic differences.
Codeine and allergic cough
Codeine definitely helps allergic cough too, as well as cough caused by mucus, in the throat, and so on. I dont see that explicitly stated anywhere in the article, so I was thinking it should be added. Also, chronic cough it definitely helps with.
About the side effects, it can cause vomiting too, but this is not stated. At high doses, it can even cause Gastritis, inflammation of the stomach. Noam111g (talk) 03:21, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
Codeine and barbiturates
In the History section, the article talks about "codeine-based barbiturates" and then goes on to list a number of different barbiturate drugs. However, the connection between these and codeine is not expanded upon in any way. Even clicking the links to the articles about the specific barbiturates doesn't yield any information, as none of those articles make any mention of codeine. I think the problem is with the phrase "codeine-based barbiturates" which would seem to indicate that a codeine molecule is connected to a barbiturate molecule, when that does not appear to be the case for any of these. Is it talking about preparations where codeine is combined with a barbiturate? If so, none of the specific articles on the barbiturates themselves mention formulations containing codeine, so I'm left wondering where this phrase came from. Lumberjane Lilly (talk) 17:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Isn`t 'Legal status' unduly long?
I`m a lamer, I don`t undestand wikipedia`s hiden universe and etc, I`m terribly sorry for this invasion. But why does this chapter exist in that exact way? I don't think the data on time-to-time changing local laws should be there. In fact, it`s useles - I cheked for Latvia (cus I`m patriot) and Co-Codamol is now only sold by prescription and 30mg. If they need that data for purpose, they still can`t relate without doublechecking - no sense found. And I also can`t just delete, it will be "-1000 & undo" P.S. I know rules about spam and questioning newbies, but I realy don`t know is this topic spam one or not - will pray for my IP not to be blocked. 83.99.184.149 (talk) 07:15, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
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