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== How important was the Green Party, compared to other influences, on GND? == |
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] This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between <span class="mw-formatted-date" title="2021-08-26">26 August 2021</span> and <span class="mw-formatted-date" title="2021-12-24">24 December 2021</span>. Further details are available ]. Student editor(s): ]. |
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The Green New Deal proposal in front of Congress was inspired by many examples. UNEP, the Green Party, and many other groups have talked about something called a "Green New Deal." |
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Someone has changed the lead to claim that the Green New Deal was originated by Green Party and then adopted by Democrats. Of the 3 references cited for this claim in the lead, 2 do not even mention the Green Party and the third is an opinion piece from ''Counterpunch'' claiming credit based on citations from Green Party websites, hardly RS for such claims. A ''New Republic'' article later cited for the claim merely quotes Green Party members as making it. The ''New Republic'' does not endorse those claims in its own editorial voice. |
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The role of the Green Party in inspiring the current Green New Deal is worth exploring, but we should look for RS that are not published by the Green Party itself or by its strong supporters. To quote :<blockquote>Jill Stein's "Green New Deal" .. consists largely of assertions of the utopian ends it'll achieve, rather than realistic means for getting there.</blockquote> |
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Another reason to look for sources that are not devoted to boosting the Green Party: per ], "An article should not give undue weight to minor aspects of its subject, but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight proportional to its treatment in the body of reliable, published material on the subject." ] (]) 02:20, 17 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:{{re|HouseOfChange}} May I recommend renaming this section of the talk page? <small>Also, a wall of sources incoming from me btw.</small> –<span style="font-family:CG Times">] ]<sup>]</sup></span> 03:52, 18 April 2019 (UTC) |
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::Changed title of section as requested. ] (]) 04:06, 18 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:::I appreciate that; thank you! Here are nine sources to support the position that the Green Party should be mentioned somewhere in the lead. Of these, '']'' is the only one I do not find to be a ], but they seemed to have done a decent job here in terms of neutrality. As for the ''New Republic'' article, it was written by who is a ] for outlet. According to her , she is an environmental culture and politics reporter. She's seems pretty legit to me, but that is up to interpretation I suppose. Anyway, here are the sources: |
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::: Jill Stein in 2016.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Henry |first1=Devin |title=Jill Stein calls for ‘green New Deal’ to address climate change |url=https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/292326-stein-green-new-deal-needed-to-address-climate-change |accessdate=18 April 2019 |work=TheHill |date=23 August 2016 |language=en}}</ref> Reports that the Green New Deal isn't that new.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Schroeder |first1=Robert |title=The ‘Green New Deal’ isn’t really that new |url=https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-green-new-deal-isnt-really-that-new-2019-02-11 |accessdate=18 April 2019 |work=MarketWatch |date=12 February 2019}}</ref><ref name="Seeking_Alpha">{{cite news |last1=Rogers |first1=Austin |title=Who Would Benefit From A 'Green New Deal'? |url=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4236062-benefit-green-new-deal |accessdate=18 April 2019 |work=Seeking Alpha |date=28 January 2019 |language=en |quote=The idea of a "Green New Deal" (or GND) is not new. Jill Stein of the Green Party promoted it in her 2016 presidential campaign.}}</ref><ref>{{cite news |last1=Joselow |first1=Maxine |title=‘Green New Deal’ is actually an old idea |url=https://governorswindenergycoalition.org/green-new-deal-is-actually-an-old-idea/ |accessdate=18 April 2019 |work=Governors' Wind Energy Coalition |date=5 December 2018|agency=E&E News}}</ref> Gives credit to Green politicians for idea.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Janes |first1=Chelsea |title=The Green New Deal? A Green New Deal? Whatever it is, 2020 Democrats support it. |url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-green-new-deal-a-green-new-deal-whatever-it-is-2020-democrats-support-it/2019/01/30/a75166d4-2340-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html?utm_term=.f5920d138733 |accessdate=18 April 2019 |work=Washington Post |date=31 January 2019 |language=en |quote=Green Party candidate Jill Stein used the Green New Deal as part of her presidential platforms in 2012 and 2016.}}</ref><ref name="Seeking_Alpha" /><ref>{{cite news |last1=Roberts |first1=David |title=The Green New Deal, explained |url=https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/12/21/18144138/green-new-deal-alexandria-ocasio-cortez |accessdate=18 April 2019 |work=Vox |date=21 December 2018 |language=en |quote=In 2016, a GND became the centerpiece of the Green Party presidential campaign of Jill Stein; indeed, a GND has been part of the US Green Party’s platform for over a decade. (It is also central to the platform of the European Greens — see this study from the Wuppertal Institute.)}}</ref><ref>{{cite news |last1=Leetaru |first1=Kalev |title=How the Green New Deal Has Played Out Online |url=https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/02/21/how_the_green_new_deal_has_played_out_online_139532.html |accessdate=18 April 2019 |work=RealClearPolitics |date=21 February 2019 |language=en |quote=Ocasio-Cortez has become the de facto face of the proposed policy, but she is not the first to generate Twitter buzz for a “#GreenNewDeal.” That honor goes to 2012 and 2016 Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein.}}</ref> Two more references for good measure.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Chávez |first1=Aída |title=How the Green New Deal Became the Green New Deal |url=https://theintercept.com/2019/02/02/green-new-deal-aoc/ |accessdate=18 April 2019 |work=The Intercept |date=2 February 2019 |language=En |quote=A Green New Deal has been part of the Green Party’s platform for more than a decade, and Jill Stein had been campaigning on it since 2012.}}</ref><ref>{{cite news |last1=Atkin |first1=Emily |title=The Democrats Stole the Green Party’s Best Idea |url=https://newrepublic.com/article/153127/democrats-stole-green-partys-best-idea |accessdate=18 April 2019 |work=The New Republic |date=22 February 2019}}</ref> I hope that helps! <small>I am not even a member of the Green Party...</small> –<span style="font-family:CG Times">] ]<sup>]</sup></span> 04:43, 18 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Upon a secondary review, I actually have more... but I think this will be good for now. –<span style="font-family:CG Times">] ]<sup>]</sup></span> 04:46, 18 April 2019 (UTC) |
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] (]) 18:16, 24 November 2020 (UTC)Greenalot |
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::The initial creative work and proposal for a Global Green New Deal came from the UK and the "Green New Deal Group". This UK origin-political history needs to be cited at the top of any GND wikipedia -- and the History should begin with the UK (not the US). Also note that the current wording 'Since the early 2000s.' is somewhat inaccurate as the initial public GND political origins i 2007-2008, see cites w the 'Green New Deal Group' (UK), whose work/writing was disseminated widely to other countries subsequently. |
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:::The Green New Deal has a clear provenance. Its origins, both as a political term and as a body of political thought, traces to 2007-08. The principal individuals who were originally involved can be reviewed at this site -- <ref>https://www.greenpolicy360.net/w/Green_New_Deal</ref>. I personally, as a US Green activist, recall many conversations during the global recession of 2008 where Greens discussed the response politics put forward by the UK "Green New Deal Group". The Green New Deal had multiple originators in multiple countries after 2008. It would not be appropriate, in tracing the origins/provenance and development of the Green New Deal to 'split off' a dedicated 'Green New Deal in the United States' page. Better would be to follow the chronology, and give weight to the origins and follow on of multiple countries, perhaps alphabetically, since there are many countries who have versions of the original UK Green New Deal Group's formal proposal (see their PDF <ref>https://greennewdealgroup.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Green-New-Deal-5th-Anniversary.pdf</ref>)... ] (]) 00:17, 25 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== GND as an international idea == |
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Should this article have a less US-centric focus? The beginning sentence states: "The Green New Deal (GND) is a proposed package of United States legislation that aims to address climate change and economic inequality.". The Green New Deal was a concept that predated the legislation, created by a British Green New Deal group, and apparently the policy promoted by the ] since 2011. The article also has a substantial focus on the US GND in it's content page; I propose the US GND be split off into a dedicated "Green New Deal in the United States" page. ] (]) 07:32, 5 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:I think that is probably a good idea, I would support that {{ping|Catiline52}}] (]) 01:19, 20 August 2020 (UTC) |
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::The Green New Deal has a clear provenance. Its origins, both as a political term and as a body of political thought, traces to 2007-08. The principal individuals who were originally involved can be reviewed at this site -- <ref>https://www.greenpolicy360.net/w/Green_New_Deal</ref>. I personally, as a US Green activist, recall many conversations during the global recession of 2008 where Greens discussed the response politics put forward by the UK "Green New Deal Group". The Green New Deal had multiple originators in multiple countries after 2008. It would not be appropriate, in tracing the origins/provenance and development of the Green New Deal to 'split off' a dedicated 'Green New Deal in the United States' page. Better would be to follow the chronology, and give weight to the origins and follow on of multiple countries, perhaps alphabetically, since there are many countries who have versions of the original UK Green New Deal Group's formal proposal (see their PDF <ref>https://greennewdealgroup.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Green-New-Deal-5th-Anniversary.pdf</ref>)... ] (]) 00:17, 25 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Catiline52}} '''Weak support''' I'm ok with this, but the international section is very lacking. Re-writing the lead may be better? ping me when responding, gràcies! ] ] 18:38, 29 August 2020 (UTC) |
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I would second this - introduction section for sure needs to be moderated as it is strongly US centric. - I can contribute to the Canadian and EU sections though think that is not possible right now because the page is listed as an ECP page (rightfully so). :{{ping|Catiline52}} :{{ping|TheKaloo}} :{{ping|Sadads}} :{{ping|Greenalot}} (] (]) 17:35, 20 September 2020 (UTC)) |
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:I'm removing the banner tag for this as it's six months old and there has been no discussion since September. FWIW though I '''support''' the Split providing someone has time to do the work to action it while making both articles coherent. This makes it 4:1 in favour. So unless more opposition arrives, if anyone does have the time to perform it, they could go ahead without further discussion. In the mean time, I'll update & make a minor internationalising edit to the lede to partially address the concern here. ] (]) 12:47, 9 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 February 2021 == |
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=== Environmental Justice === |
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==== Just Transition ==== |
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In 2018, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) released a Special Report, that overall, provides a serious warning that global greenhouse gas emissions must be reduced before reaching 1.5 degrees celsius. <ref>Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. (2018). “Special Report: Global Warming of 1.5 degrees celsius.” Online, https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/</ref> The impacts of that temperature are serious, and the report finds that by the end of the decade, if no action is taken, the consequences will be extreme and irreversible. |
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The introduction of the Green New Deal Resolution was also in response to the IPCC report, as the Green New Deal is a 10-year plan that can guide the United States toward a Just Transition to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions and 100% renewable energy reliance. <ref>Healy, N., & Barry, J. (2017). Politicizing energy justice and energy system transitions: Fossil fuel divestment and a “just transition”. Energy Policy, 108, 451-459. doi:https://doi.org/10.1016/j.enpol.2017.06.014</ref> |
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The Just Transition principle is a component of Environmental Justice that recognizes the need to transition from fossil fuels to renewable sources. According to the Just Transition Alliance, a 501(c)3 founded in 1997 as a coalition of Environmental Justice and labor organizations, currently, many “workers, community residents, and Indigenous Peoples” are at the frontlines of either unsafe working conditions in the fossil fuel industry, and/or are bearing the undue burden and brunt of the environmental and human health impacts. <ref>Just Transition Alliance. “What is a Just Transition?” Online, http://jtalliance.org/what-is-just-transition/</ref> |
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The Green New Deal states that a Just Transition includes the industry workers and communities, and is a guiding consideration in the nation-wide shift, “to create millions of good, high-wage jobs” in the leading renewable energy sector.<ref>House Resolution 109. ( |
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2019). Online, https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/hres109/BILLS-116hres109ih.pdf</ref> |
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=== Centering the Most Vulnerable === |
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At the brunt of the anthropogenic climate consequences, are some of the planet’s most vulnerable communities. Taking into consideration the complexity of a community’s functions, the inequality of climate impacts that certain populations face exists in, “...a broad array of multi-scalar and multi-temporal, social, political, economic and environmental…” factors. <ref>Bennett, James Nathan, et al. (2015). “Communities and change in the anthropocene: understanding social-ecological vulnerability and planning adaptations to multiple interacting exposures.” Regional Environmental Change, pp. 907 - 926, DOI: https://doi.org/10.1007/s10113-015-0839-5.</ref> <ref>Pellow, David. (2017). “What is Critical Environmental Justice?” Polity Press, Book.</ref> For example, many vulnerable communities are located in coastal or rural areas, and often have intentional, historical roots in areas that lack critical infrastructure, economic stability, and government action, and are thus not equipped with the resources to withstand or recover from the climate impacts that are compounded and exacerbated over time. <ref>Allen, Barbara L. (2006). “Cradle of a Revolution?: The Industrial Transformation of Louisiana’s Lower Mississippi River.” The Johns Hopkins University Press, Technology and Culture, Vol. 47, No. 1, pp. 112-119.</ref> <ref>California Governor’s Office of Planning and Research. (2018). “Defining Vulnerable Communities in the Context of Climate Adaptation.” A Resource Guide, online, http://opr.ca.gov/docs/20180723-Vulnerable_Communities.pdf</ref> <ref>Cusick, Daniel. (2020). “Past Racist “Redlining” Practices Increased Climate Burden on Minority Neighborhoods.” Scientific American, online, https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/past-racist-redlining-practices-increased-climate-burden-on-minority-neighborhoods/.</ref> <ref>Dervis, Kemal. (2009). “Climate Change and Vulnerable Societies.” Brookings Institute, online, https://www.brookings.edu/testimonies/climate-change-and-vulnerable-societies/</ref> <ref>Matthews, Nathanial and Nel, Deon. (2019). “Climate Change Hits Vulnerable Communities First and Hardest.” International Institute for Sustainable Development, online, https://www.iisd.org/blog/climate-change-hits-vulnerable-communities-first-and-hardest.</ref> <ref>Reid, Hannah, et al. (2015). “Vulnerable Communities: Climate Adaptation that Works for the Poor.” International Institute for Environment and Development, JSTOR, online, https://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep17971?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents.</ref> <ref>Taylor, Dorceta E. 2002. “Race, Class, Gender, and American Environmentalism.” USDA, Forest Service, Pacific Northwest Research Station, 51 pp.</ref> |
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Black and Brown communities with the smallest ‘carbon footprint’, are the most vulnerable to climate change impacts. The Green New Deal Resolution is an Environmental Justice resolution just as much as it is an environmental economic proposal, because it recognizes this fact:<ref>House Resolution 109. ( |
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2019). Online, https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/hres109/BILLS-116hres109ih.pdf</ref> |
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“Whereas climate change, pollution, and environmental destruction have exacerbated systemic racial, regional, social, environmental, and economic injustices (referred to in this preamble as ‘‘systemic injustices’’) by disproportionately affecting indigenous peoples, communities of color, migrant communities, deindustrialized communities, depopulated rural communities, the poor, low-income workers, women, the elderly, the unhoused, people with disabilities, and youth (referred to in this preamble as ‘‘frontline and vulnerable communities’’);” |
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The roots of Environmental Justice are consequently entangled within a multitude of Black, Brown, Indigenous, and other communities of color. These experiences and histories are dynamic and complex. |
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==== Black Environmental Justice ==== |
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The budding roots of Environmental Justice within majority African American communities, can be traced through the work of Black scholars, historians, and authors like Dr. Dorceta Taylor, Dr. David Pellow, Dr. Carolyn Finney for example,<ref>School for Environment and Sustainability , University of Michigan. "Prominent Black Environmental Historians and Authors." Online, https://seas.umich.edu/about/diversity-equity-inclusion/prominent-black-environmental-historians-and-authors.</ref> who have dedicated their professions and livelihoods to unravelling and revealing the deep-seeded and historic case studies on some of the most notorious offenses to Black communities by neglectfully unregulated industries. These case studies include Warren County, North Carolina, and both Cancer Alley and Hurricane Katrina in Louisiana. <ref>Bullard, Robert and Wright, Beverly. (2009). "Race, Place, and the Environmental Justice after Hurricane Katrina: Struggles to Reclaim, Rebuild, and Revitalize New Orleans and the Gulf Coast." Taylor & Francis Group, https://serve-learn-sustain.gatech.edu/sites/default/files/documents/Toolkit-Docs/EJ-Resources/wright_bullard_-_raceplaceandtheenvironmentinneworleans.pdf.</ref> <ref>Finney, Carolyn. (2014). "Black Faces, White Spaces:Reimagining the Relationship of African Americans to the Great Outdoors." The University of North Carolina Press, online, https://uncpress.org/book/9781469614489/black-faces-white-spaces/.</ref> <ref>Sze, Julie. (2006). "Toxic Soup Redux: Why Environmental Racism and Environmental Justice Matter after Katrina." Items, Insights from Social Sciences, online, https://items.ssrc.org/understanding-katrina/toxic-soup-redux-why-environmental-racism-and-environmental-justice-matter-after-katrina/.</ref> |
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] This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between <span class="mw-formatted-date" title="2021-06-28">28 June 2021</span> and <span class="mw-formatted-date" title="2021-07-31">31 July 2021</span>. Further details are available ]. Student editor(s): ], ]. |
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Environmental injustices stem from the egregious violations that fossil fuel industries commit in communities that lack basic resources righted by law. This lack of resources is not inherent, rather intentional, as Black scholars, historians, and authors suggest that federal, state, and local institutions, from the government to non-profits, fail to protect minority communities in the face of environmental injustices as well as natural disasters. What can be seen in the case studies, is the community’s fight to secure their own clean air and water, and to protect themselves from the disproportionate burden of toxic releases by organizing themselves. |
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== Michelle Wu == |
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If ] is elected mayor of Boston in November, she can be added as a supporter of the AOC-Markey Green New Deal. https://www.boston.com/news/policy/2020/08/24/michelle-wu-green-new-deal-boston/ ] (]) 00:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC) |
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Therefore, the Green New Deal Resolution is not only a momentous economic proposal, but it also provides an important consideration necessary for the plan to work, and that is by centering Environmental Justice communities. <ref>Archer, Diane. (2016). “Building Urban Climate Resilience through Community-Driven Approaches to Development.” International Journal of Climate Change Strategies and Management, Vol. 8, Iss. 5.</ref> <ref>Singh, Chandni, Tebboth, Mark et al. (2019). “Exploring methodological approaches to assess climate change vulnerability and adaptation: reflections from using life history approaches.” Regional Environmental Change, https://doi.org/10.1007/s10113-019-01562-z.</ref> |
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* DONE! ] (]) 05:11, 31 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== reversals == |
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] (]) 05:11, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Makayla Alicea ] (]) 05:11, 8 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{Not done}} This is an excellent proposed edit in some respects, but it's a bit long and essay like. I'll write some advise on MakaylamayBA user talk page. PS - if anyone disagrees with declining this no worries, just revert this talk page post, No objection if someone has time to put this on hold to try to refine it with MakaylamayBA , or even if they want to add the whole thing to the main article as is. ] (]) 18:44, 8 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::I was hoping someone would reply to this. I think you've got it just right--a tad too long and "essay like". I knew it didn't sound exactly encyclopedic but other than too long I couldn't come up with exactly why. Anyone that writes as well as this author should be well able to improve it. ] (]) 19:36, 8 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::: Thankyou - hopefully they'll return with a shorter version. If not, I might add one myself. I've noticed this past couple of years that GND & other green activists have been emphasising enviromental justice much more than they used to, so it's quite an ommmisssion for us to hardly mention it. ] (]) 12:05, 9 February 2021 (UTC) |
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I am a little concerned about the reversions you did to an edit by me about the University of Florida Green New Deal and to another contributors' part about a GND at American University. They were removed under the justification they were too local, which I agree in terms of Misplaced Pages's structuring rules, but in that case couldn't a new section be created for university and local efforts? Additionally, the Boston GND (which has its own separate article) was left on the Green New Deal article but is also local. I do not personally agree with the removal of either the AU one or UF one if it remains notable enough to not be removed. In the case of the UF one, it had coverage by the Guardian US and the Hill, both well-recognized sources. I respect your contributions to the Misplaced Pages community but as a younger Wikipedian, more explanations or details on how I could write about what happened at AU and UF would be appreciated. ] (]) 13:44, 22 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::this article deals with the whole world. What we have here are two small, new local efforts. U of Florida took no action--it was only a resolution passed by its student government. Worldwide there are hundreds of such events and that would overwhelm the already too long article. I suggest you start a new separate article on Green efforts on college campuses. As for Boston, a link to a long article for a major city (which has lots of colleges and universities) is ok but I think a separate section for Boston duplicates the listing under mayors, so I deleted the separate section. ] (]) 00:52, 23 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Sorry if this the wrong place for suggestion, but "European Union" in the second paragraph of the main article is currently in lowercase (I don't have edit privileges) |
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:::this is reasonable, thank you ] (]) 04:39, 28 February 2024 (UTC) |
I am a little concerned about the reversions you did to an edit by me about the University of Florida Green New Deal and to another contributors' part about a GND at American University. They were removed under the justification they were too local, which I agree in terms of Misplaced Pages's structuring rules, but in that case couldn't a new section be created for university and local efforts? Additionally, the Boston GND (which has its own separate article) was left on the Green New Deal article but is also local. I do not personally agree with the removal of either the AU one or UF one if it remains notable enough to not be removed. In the case of the UF one, it had coverage by the Guardian US and the Hill, both well-recognized sources. I respect your contributions to the Misplaced Pages community but as a younger Wikipedian, more explanations or details on how I could write about what happened at AU and UF would be appreciated. RALupien (talk) 13:44, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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