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| == Yak-130 look-alike == | |||
| ==Cleanup== | |||
| The T-50 looks suspiciously like the Yak-130/Aermacchi M-346, down to the tiniest details ] (]) 06:24, 16 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Except for the very tiny detail of the T-50 being powered by one more powerful engine, and having the tailpipe in the rear, with afterburner, instead of twin exhausts behind the wings. Honestly, no. It doesn't really look like an F-20 either. - ] (]) 08:12, 16 September 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Grammar could be tightened just a bit. Expansion would be nice, too... - ] 02:38, 7 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Totally different aerodynamics; therefore, T-50 is supersonic capable. It also has a digital FBW system based on Korean developed RTOS( by an established RTOS company in Korea).This is the largest difference from the Yak-130 which does not have such systems. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:33, 4 February 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :I've cleaned it up considerably. Expansion would still be nice. :-) - ] 03:37, 7 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: no I think you are wrong, that is another type of aircraft.--] (]) 14:22, 28 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
| ::How should I further expand it? Thanks (] 05:15, 18 May 2006 (UTC)) | |||
| ⚫ | == T-5 Brave Eagle vs XAT-5 Blue Magpie == | ||
| ==Grammar== | |||
| The T-5 Brave Eagle page makes no mention of a rename to Blue Magpie, so I reverted the dubious edit by the IPv6 address. When {{reply-to|BilCat}} reverted that, he claimed the aircraft had been renamed and the article had a new name, the latter statement is definitely false, and the article itself makes no mention of a rename to Magpie. When I added Dubious and Citation Needed it was reverted along with a personal attack by {{reply-to|Horse Eye Jack}}. How could there possibly not be a citation needed for this claim? Shouldn’t someone fix, with citations, the T-5 Brave Eagle page before messing with uncited claims about it in this one? ] (]) 15:56, 30 September 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :''The aircraft can carry up to two pilots, and the high amount canopy and the tandem seating allow the pilots superior visibility, vital to successfuly locking onto enemy targets.'' | |||
| :Buddy you are either seriously confused or being willfully obtuse... See ]. Your claim of personal attack is also facetious, no such attack was made. ] (]) 16:04, 30 September 2019 (UTC) | |||
| What exactly is "high amount canopy" supposed to mean? High-mounted canopy? Even that doesn't mean much. I want to clean this up, but as I am unsure of the origianl intent, I am waiting. --] 19:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::More personal attacks, so any argument about the edit history is irrelevant. Your link says “On 24 September 2019, Tsai Ing-wen officially named the new aircraft as "Brave Eagle" during first prototype aircraft roll-out ceremony.”. Sounds pretty recent right? Where’s your citation for the rename back to Blue Magpie in the last 6 days? The rename was TO Brave Eagle, not FROM Brave Eagle. ] (]) 16:26, 30 September 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :::Yes, the rename was TO Brave Eagle, not FROM Brave Eagle. Which is exactly what the IP changed in the . I think you owe the IP a big apology. Thanks. - ] (]) 23:15, 30 September 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :It was supposed to be high-mounted canopy. Please go ahead & copy edit as much as you want. (] 22:34, 1 October 2006 (UTC)) | |||
| {{Outdent}} It is not really that important to list the name for the XAT-5/T-5 in this T-50 article anyway. ] (]) 17:42, 30 September 2019 (UTC) | |||
| OK, thanks. That's what I thought it was supposed to be, but wasn't certain. --] 23:11, 1 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Yep. But you two kept renaming it Blue Magpie (which is wrong), started raving about policies (which I am aware of), nevermind the personal attacks (which probably violate policy), and the fact that you’re just trying to save face at this point. Thanks for the intervention {{reply-to|Fnlayson}}. If you want to argue about what the ] is named, take it over to that page. ] (]) 00:57, 1 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| == Recent edits == | |||
| :::::Both Bilcat and I have told you exactly how you are mistaken, Bilcat is right too... You do owe the IP an apology. I genuinely don’t think you understand what a personal attack is. I note that you have yet to address your misleading edit summaries, I reproduce it here for your ease of viewing: "um, no there’s not a new article title. It links to Brave Eagle, which makes no reference to Magpie at all. Why are you claiming the inverse? Bring it to the talk page, or write an article about the Blue Magpie yourself.” At the very least you are completely incorrect that the page ] "makes no reference to Magpie at all” which you just blew by in your rush to make a nonsensical point about a rename back to Blue Magpie? Can you maybe explain yourself? ] (]) 08:25, 1 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| == FA-50 vs. F/A-50 == | |||
| Could I ask anyone why some numbers on the statistics were deleted? (] 23:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)) | |||
| FA-50 appears to be a widely repeated typo for F/A-50. Is there a type certificate or some other official document that can confirm the designation of this variant? - ] <sub>]</sub><b style="color:#6B8E23">\</b><sup>]</sup> 20:09, 22 June 2020 (UTC) | |||
| : The manufacturer, Korea Aerospace Industries lists it as FA-50 (light attack aircraft) on its web site currently. ] (]) 20:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC) | |||
| :Are you referring to ? A range given in feet smells of rat to me, and I wasn't too sure about a climb rate of 27,000 feet per minute...perhaps intial climb rate, but what's the sustained value? - ] <sup>] - ]!</sup> 01:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::No idea. I gathered data from 2 ~ 3 sites at the external links (& possibly references) that gave list of stats. (] 02:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)) | |||
| == Possible sales: Ireland == | |||
| == Calling a black spade a kettle? == | |||
| This section is pure speculation and the reference is to a speculative posting on a discussion board about a presumed need. | |||
| Removed. | |||
| ] (]) 17:50, 30 April 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == Odd assertion in 2nd sentence of 2nd para... == | |||
| Why do we call this plane a trainer? It has full-blown radar and the same type of single jet engine is found in the swedish Jas-39 ] fighter jet, the airframe size is also similar. The use of afterburner makes it a high-cost airplane, which is against any trainer use logic. This plane either makes no sense or it is actually a light fighter-bomber with a trainer excuse! ] (]) 14:27, 23 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| What does "The F-50 single-seat multirole fighter variant was considered." mean, please? Thanks ] (]) 09:15, 19 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
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: It is supposed to mean that KAI had studied a single-seat variant in the past. ] (]) 15:15, 19 May 2022 (UTC) | ||
| == Transition to FA-50 == | |||
| ::Concur with Fnlayson. the T-50 is what is called a "Lead-In FighterTrainer" (LIFT), and is intended to mimic high-performance fighters without the higher cost of aircraft like the F-16. THe F404 eninge is comparatively economical, though even I thought it was probably too big an engine for the role. However, the A-50 variant is intended to be a lower-cost fighter, so it does make sense. Alos, the T-50 is designed to be a replaces ment for the T-38, as both are supersonic. Remember that the F-5 is a minumu-change variant of the T-38, but that didn't make the T-38 any less of a trainer. Most advanced trainers nowadays are high subsonic, like the Hawk and Alpha Jet. The ] is also supersonic, and it uses the F414, a more powerful derivitive of the F404. - ] (]) 16:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Perhaps this article should transition to being primarily about the FA-50 with the T-50 mentioned rather than the opposite, inasmuch as Poland is now purchasing FA-50's to replace Mig-29's (in part, along with F-35's) it is donating to Ukraine? https://wapo.st/3lkWeFa People are going to start searching for FA-50 more frequently than T-50, I expect. ] (]) 18:29, 16 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :The FA-50 is a variant of the T-50, not the other way around. The type was originally designed to be a trainer, only later being considered for a combat role. Besides, a temporary surge in interest in a specific variant is not a good reason to change the scope of the article to said variant. - ] <sub>]</sub><span style="color:#6B8E23">\</span><sup>]</sup> 00:09, 17 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::In any case the article should be updated with the f50 sales to Poland. ] (]) 11:30, 8 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
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== Fighting Eagle == | ||
| This name is mentioned in one caption and one source, but not in the body. It seems associated with FA-50 variant? How official is it? <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 03:19, 19 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == A/A missiles not integrated == | |||
| Shouldn't this article use metric as its 'main' measurement and imperial as the 'other' measurement system? It is (primarily) a South Korean aircraft and the measurement system in Korea is metric. ] (]) 13:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Strike the claim about Sidewinder until this is resolved? | |||
| : Probably. KAI does list US Customary units first . That could due to tie-in with Lockheed Martin. Or it may not mean anything. -] (]) 15:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Well I was just curious if there was an over-arching Misplaced Pages aviation policy on this or not, it would certainly make sense if there was. ] (]) 18:05, 25 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::: I think the nation of origin's system of units is generally used like with the ], etc on spelling. But exceptions exist. For example the Concorde article uses Imperial units, since it was designed in them before the UK went metric officially. -] (]) 18:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Ah, I thought so. So would anybody be against a quick switch or do you think this needs to be discussed some more? I know its a minor thing but it would make sense to switch the measurements, atleast for precedent's sake. ] (]) 19:39, 25 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: I can't think of a reason to make an exception here. The Specs table can be fixed by <nowiki>{{aircraft specifications</nowiki> -> <nowiki>{{aircraft specifications/switch</nowiki>. The others will have to be switched manually. -] (]) 20:07, 25 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Ok, thanks for clearing that up. ] (]) 01:38, 26 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| https://defence24.com/armed-forces/air-force/truth-about-the-armament-for-the-polish-fa-50s-commentary | |||
| ] (]) 14:15, 8 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| The main article implies that the T-50 is an aircraft model indiginous to South Korea. Actually this model is constructed jointly between Lockheed Martin and the KIA. The link I have given is Lockheed Martin's online brochure page for the T-50 from their corporate press kit section of their website. http://www.lockheedmartin.com/data/assets/corporate/press-kit/T-50-Brochure.pdf <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:35, 27 February 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| : The Golden Eagle is produced in South Korea. The brochure says it was developed jointly by KIA and LM. Support and maintenance are also mentioned but nothing about joint construction/manufacture as you claim. -] (]) 14:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
| : There is two projects, one is joint-venture for selling oversea markets and other is to develop trainer for Korean airforce with support of Lockheed Martin.--Korsentry 00:36, 30 March 2009 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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Referencing and citation: criterion met
Yak-130 look-alike
The T-50 looks suspiciously like the Yak-130/Aermacchi M-346, down to the tiniest details Santamoly (talk) 06:24, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- Except for the very tiny detail of the T-50 being powered by one more powerful engine, and having the tailpipe in the rear, with afterburner, instead of twin exhausts behind the wings. Honestly, no. It doesn't really look like an F-20 either. - BilCat (talk) 08:12, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- Totally different aerodynamics; therefore, T-50 is supersonic capable. It also has a digital FBW system based on Korean developed RTOS( by an established RTOS company in Korea).This is the largest difference from the Yak-130 which does not have such systems. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noob2013 (talk • contribs) 03:33, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
- no I think you are wrong, that is another type of aircraft.--Bolzanobozen (talk) 14:22, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
T-5 Brave Eagle vs XAT-5 Blue Magpie
The T-5 Brave Eagle page makes no mention of a rename to Blue Magpie, so I reverted the dubious edit by the IPv6 address. When @BilCat: reverted that, he claimed the aircraft had been renamed and the article had a new name, the latter statement is definitely false, and the article itself makes no mention of a rename to Magpie. When I added Dubious and Citation Needed it was reverted along with a personal attack by @Horse Eye Jack:. How could there possibly not be a citation needed for this claim? Shouldn’t someone fix, with citations, the T-5 Brave Eagle page before messing with uncited claims about it in this one? Dogshu (talk) 15:56, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- Buddy you are either seriously confused or being willfully obtuse... See AIDC T-5 Brave Eagle#Naming. Your claim of personal attack is also facetious, no such attack was made. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 16:04, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- More personal attacks, so any argument about the edit history is irrelevant. Your link says “On 24 September 2019, Tsai Ing-wen officially named the new aircraft as "Brave Eagle" during first prototype aircraft roll-out ceremony.”. Sounds pretty recent right? Where’s your citation for the rename back to Blue Magpie in the last 6 days? The rename was TO Brave Eagle, not FROM Brave Eagle. Dogshu (talk) 16:26, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, the rename was TO Brave Eagle, not FROM Brave Eagle. Which is exactly what the IP changed in the diff here. I think you owe the IP a big apology. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 23:15, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
It is not really that important to list the name for the XAT-5/T-5 in this T-50 article anyway. -Fnlayson (talk) 17:42, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- Yep. But you two kept renaming it Blue Magpie (which is wrong), started raving about policies (which I am aware of), nevermind the personal attacks (which probably violate policy), and the fact that you’re just trying to save face at this point. Thanks for the intervention @Fnlayson:. If you want to argue about what the AIDC T-5 Brave Eagle is named, take it over to that page. Dogshu (talk) 00:57, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
- Both Bilcat and I have told you exactly how you are mistaken, Bilcat is right too... You do owe the IP an apology. I genuinely don’t think you understand what a personal attack is. I note that you have yet to address your misleading edit summaries, I reproduce it here for your ease of viewing: "um, no there’s not a new article title. It links to Brave Eagle, which makes no reference to Magpie at all. Why are you claiming the inverse? Bring it to the talk page, or write an article about the Blue Magpie yourself.” At the very least you are completely incorrect that the page AIDC T-5 Brave Eagle "makes no reference to Magpie at all” which you just blew by in your rush to make a nonsensical point about a rename back to Blue Magpie? Can you maybe explain yourself? Horse Eye Jack (talk) 08:25, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
- Yep. But you two kept renaming it Blue Magpie (which is wrong), started raving about policies (which I am aware of), nevermind the personal attacks (which probably violate policy), and the fact that you’re just trying to save face at this point. Thanks for the intervention @Fnlayson:. If you want to argue about what the AIDC T-5 Brave Eagle is named, take it over to that page. Dogshu (talk) 00:57, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
FA-50 vs. F/A-50
FA-50 appears to be a widely repeated typo for F/A-50. Is there a type certificate or some other official document that can confirm the designation of this variant? - ZLEA T\ 20:09, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- The manufacturer, Korea Aerospace Industries lists it as FA-50 (light attack aircraft) on its web site here currently. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Possible sales: Ireland
This section is pure speculation and the reference is to a speculative posting on a discussion board about a presumed need. Removed. 78.17.198.80 (talk) 17:50, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Odd assertion in 2nd sentence of 2nd para...
What does "The F-50 single-seat multirole fighter variant was considered." mean, please? Thanks CharlesSpencer (talk) 09:15, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- It is supposed to mean that KAI had studied a single-seat variant in the past. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:15, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Transition to FA-50
Perhaps this article should transition to being primarily about the FA-50 with the T-50 mentioned rather than the opposite, inasmuch as Poland is now purchasing FA-50's to replace Mig-29's (in part, along with F-35's) it is donating to Ukraine? https://wapo.st/3lkWeFa People are going to start searching for FA-50 more frequently than T-50, I expect. Ealtram (talk) 18:29, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
- The FA-50 is a variant of the T-50, not the other way around. The type was originally designed to be a trainer, only later being considered for a combat role. Besides, a temporary surge in interest in a specific variant is not a good reason to change the scope of the article to said variant. - ZLEA T\ 00:09, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
- In any case the article should be updated with the f50 sales to Poland. Aitorbk (talk) 11:30, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
Fighting Eagle
This name is mentioned in one caption and one source, but not in the body. It seems associated with FA-50 variant? How official is it? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:19, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
A/A missiles not integrated
Strike the claim about Sidewinder until this is resolved?
Hcobb (talk) 14:15, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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