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== Richest Man? ==
'''WHY DOES Ahoy wiki link to this article and Ahoy-Hoy link to this article. I don't know how to change it but I was searching for the article on the greeting and certainly not an article on Mr. Burns''' ] 14:26, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


In "The Burns and the Bees" he loes alot of money from the stadium and got tossed out of the billionaires group and since the "The Rich Texan" was also in the billianaries group wouldn't that make Mr. Burns the second richest man in Springfield? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: We usually don't change something like that based on one episode. <span style="font-family:papyrus;">]]</span> 02:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Actually there's another episode which may support the idea that Mr.Burns may not be the richest man in Springfield. Towards the end of ''Double Double, Boy In Trouble'', Bart (who is playing as Simon) accidentally stumbles into Mr.Burns. When he apologizes, Mr. Burns says ''"Nonsense young Woosterfield, your fortune is greater than mine! It is I who am at your service!"''. However it is not stated whether or not the Woosterfields live in Springfield or not. ] (]) 13:49, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


== Pronounciation of excellent ==
==Biography==
Does anyone else think the "Biography" is a bit much? I mean, The Simpsons has never put much effort into continuity until lately, so most of the references to his past are in blatant contradiction of each other. For instance, how could he have been America's "richest and therefore most trustworthy citizen" at the end of WWII in the one where he steals the ], and yet, not long before, desire to become "rich as Nazis" in the one with the Flying Hellfish? ]


I think a mention of how Mr. burns pronounces excellent can be mentioned phonetically, it sounds like egg-se-lent. any thoughts <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 07:55, 16 December 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Well, it's been well established that Mr. Burns got his fortune from inheriting it from the loveless billionaire who raised him. He could well have served in WWII, got caught up in the excitement of the moment with regard to the treasure, and shortly after the discovery of the loot by the Flying Hellfish but before the end of the war that Billionaire died leaving him the Burns Business Empire. His line about building shells for the Nazis probably therefore referred not to his personal actions, but to the business he inherited and in later years sees it as all the same. The only real problem with this is that Mr. Burns would have been 53 during the fall of Nazi Germany (going by the 1892 estimated date of birth), and that would have made him a little old to be a frontline infantryman, one would imagine that Monty Burns's war would have been ], which he would have only been 22 at the outbreak of the war, although references to that war wouldn't carry anywhere near the entertainment value to a modern audience. --] 16:22, 8 May 2005 (UTC)


==Running Gag on Burns senile mind==
What the article needs to be more explicit about is the change in Burns' character as the seasons went by. In the early days he was the typical ruthless autocrat, but the modern Burns is more of a senile buffoon, with the humnour coming from his outdated attitudes and pratfalls. This explains such inconsistencies as: "Burns also played golf with Nixon, who moaned to Burns about the Watergate scandal being exposed and fretted about going to prison. This suggests that Mr. Burns can pay close attention to modern events, but only if they interest him." -Again this was from Burns' 'smart era'. ] 18:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
In the 451st episode ] Burns thinks that 2010 economic crisis is the ] and ] is President! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:09, 17 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*Actually he got "bumped down to private" remeber Bart was curios as to why he was an Infranty himeself.


== Mr Burns on Twitter! ==
==Name change ==


Since the idea of this page is to help to get a better understanding of this character, is it worth mentioning that he Tweets on Twitter? It's actually a good read and all Tweets are in character!
This article's name is blatantly incorrect. It should be at either ] or ]. I'd prefer the former. I'm doing a poll to figure out where it should. '''Do not add new poll options'''
--] (]) 15:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:No, it has nothing to do with the show. <span style="font-family:Kristen ITC;">] ]</span> 19:04, 5 February 2010 (UTC)


== Requested move ==
==His Medical Conditions==
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The result of the move request was: '''Not moved'''. ] 18:05, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
"he still must have a lengthy operation once a week in order to stave off death — this leaves him in a blissful narcotic haze, with a pronounced radioactive glow." Isn't the healthy green glow is from a lifetime of exposure to radioactive waste?--] 04:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


===Poll===


* '''I think this article should be moved to Montgomery Burns'''


# ] 03:50, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC)
# Not that it matters much, since I assume we'll keep all three redirects. ] 03:52, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)


* '''I think this article should be moved to Charles Montgomery Burns'''

# He's called "C. Montgomery Burns" on the show. I guess he's one of those people who doesn't like his first name. (] He's actually called "Mr. Burns". It should be changed to that.)

* He is almost always known as "]". That should be the title, according to Misplaced Pages convention. ] 20:43, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
* Ditto.--] 14:03, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

== Burns apperance... ==

Does anyone else think Burns resembles John D. Rockefeller? This became evident to me when I say a movie with Rockefeller dress up in an old flying suit (goggles, scarf, etc). I want to get a general consensus on this before I add it.
:I'd recommend you watch ] to see another possible source for the Burns character. Observe the Sir John Kierlaw character who is weak like Burns, wealthy enough to be able to order around the mill owners, ruthless and conniving as Burns, and the last time I watched the movie, I expected him to say "exxxxcellent!" ] (]) 00:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

A guy who isn't completely sure how to work Misplaced Pages yet: Yes, C. Montgomery Burns very much resembles John D. Rockefeller in his older age. Some parallels can be drawn also. Rockefeller was the most ruthless businessman in Oil Refinery, which was during his time the most advanced energy source. In teh Simpsons C. Montgomery Burns is portrayed as a ruthless businessman in what is the most advanced energy source of our time, nuclear physics.

== ''New'' Mexico ==

I'm fairly certain it was ''Homer'' who was surprised to learn of the ''New'' Mexico. It was th'episode where Bart joins the junior campers, and th'only map Homer has is the Krustyburger location map. Looking at it, he announces "ooOOoo, there's a ''New'' Mexico." I used t'have the .wav file on my computer, and it's definitely Homer. Still, the Simpsons have recycled jokes ("Call him Poochy, but more proactive!" "So, Poochy good for everyone?" / "We'll call it 'Love Day' except more " "Happy Love Day everyone!") so I can believe Mr. Burns said it too; does someone have an episode whence this notion comes?
:I can't remember the episode, but I can distinctly remember Mr. Burns saying "There's a ''New'' Mexico?" in his questioning and accusatory voice. ] 10:31, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)
::Burns said it in ''Homer's Odyssey''. ] 20:45, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Excuse me, but Burns said "There's a ''New'' Mexico?" in '']''. ''Homer's Odyssey'' is from the first season.- ] 14:48, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
:::My mistake - I was rushing and thought the article title on that link was the episode name. ] 22:40, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

== Burns' Age ==


In the episode "Future-Drama" he is 114 years old. Since the characters are still the same age from their 1989 start, that would mean 24 years have passed. Thus with simple math that makes Charles Montgomery Burns 90 years old. My defense for "the episode is non-canon" attack is that while the story may not be canon, time is and no matter how great Mr. Groening is he can't stop time and basic math.--]

In regards to his four digit PIN number, it's more likely that the PIN is only three digits, with the fourth entry being 'OK' or 'Enter'. Just my 100,000 cents. --]

:Actually, did you not think of the PIN starting with "0" or "00"? <font size="6">]</font> <small>The pathetic</small> ]''']''' <small>]</small> 18:47, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

He can't be 104, because in Homer the Smithers, although Homer says he just punched him in his 104 year old face, Smithers later in the episode says that Mrs Burns is 112, and I believe rich girls giving birth at the age of 8 in the 1900s is a very very very very very very very very rare thing. ] 23:52, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
---- ----
Didn't he say at one stage "I'm only 81"? ] 19:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually I believe he said "I've been 81 for some time now" meaning he was much older ] (]) 21:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

\if his birthday is placed in the "late eighteenth century" that
s the 1700's and makes him over 200! ] 23:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC) ]

== On Burns' Age... ==

ok... let's do this properly, anyone that has a reference for Burns' age, please cite it below... that way we can figure out what to put in the infobox... - ] 22:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
*"Episode title" - age
*"Future-Drama" - 90

We can put undetermined. Then, the various ages given in the show can be listed in the "Age" section and that will be that. There is no definitive answer, so many numbers have been given. --] 06:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

==Burns' office==
In "Homer the Smithers", Burns orders Homer to rotate his office so the window faces the hills. I thought that that line perfectly showed Burns' request for the impossible.- ] 14:45, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

== Ahoy-hoy ==

Not significant enough to go into the article, but I know a number of people who, no doubt influenced by Mr Burns, have started answering the phone in this way. ] 14:47, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

* It was, I believe, Alexander Graham Bell's preferred way of doing so. He didn't like the word "hello". But, yes, CMB is doubtless responsible for the renaissance.

Yes, I'd heard that. But I doubt my friends (age 19-24ish) have. ] 22:58, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
:Wrong. Bell said, "Hoy hoy", not "ahoy hoy". See . --] 15:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

== Scottish? ==

This article is in Category:Fictional Scots. Is Burns Scottish? Any sources for this? Or is it just based on his name? ] 23:18, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

:Apart from his ] names (both ] and ] are famous Scots names) and that he is an obvious caricature of ] (like ]), there have been several references in various episodes to Burns' Scottish background, eg pictures of ancestors in ]s in his mansion.--] 21:29, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

:: I would say that he's such an obvious caricature, that he's not a carciature at all. He's an original creation, like Ronald Ruck, or Ricky Rouse. ] 19:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

:: So he has some Scottish ancestry, that doesn't necessarily make him Scottish. Still, you might want to add to add some of the references of his background to the article. And maybe add Carnegie to the "Real life models" section? ] 10:56, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

::: I removed it because the category was noticed on a Simpsons forum, and everyone agreed that he wasn't Scottish. As Vclaw says above, he may have Scottish ancestry, but he isn't Scottish himself, and his parents didn't show any signs of being Scottish in a flashback. ]] 15:17, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:I think the charge of vandalism may have been because your edit was mistaken for one by a regular vandal who likes to say that a British character actor voices Monty Burns. I've reverted the categorization again because I haven't seen anything to support it: Burns is as much a cariacature of William Randolph Hearst and Howard Hughes as he is of Carnegie and a kilt in the background here or there is insufficient. We've never seen anything unambiguously Scottish in any episode that discusses his backstory(ies); he didn't mention it when he visited Scotland ... there's nothing to merit the categorization. ] 21:58, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

== Disambiguation header required? ==

] has removed the disambiguation notice:

:''For other characters named Burns, see ].''

He used the rather un-Wikipedian Edit summary: ''"I don't see the need for a "Burns disambiguation" link on the "Montgomery Burns" page."'' (Is Misplaced Pages not supposed to be more of a "we" kind of place, rather than an "I" place?)

Anyway, do other editors support this removal, or is a standard disambiguation header a good idea?--] 09:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

:Hi ]

:] tells us: "Do not disambiguate, or add a link to a disambiguation page, if there is no ''risk of confusion''. Ask yourself: When a reader enters this term and pushes "Go", what article would they realistically be expecting to view as a result? Disambiguation pages are not search indices;". I should have referred here instead of writing the ''"I don't see..."'' thing, I guess :-)

:Though there are many ways to end up at this page (redirects ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ] and disambig page ]), I still don't find the disambiguation link relevant. I think people who typed "Montgomery Burns" or any of the redirects really wanted to see this page. --] 10:51, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
::Agree with Fred. If someone as looking for a different Burns, they would exlpitly search for that ''different name''. A disambiguation link would only be required if there ere other articles about other people called ''Montgomery Burns'' (or the redirects).
::I see nothing wrong in his edit summary. It's accurately descriptive, and civil. ] 11:23, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

== Davros?? ==

Burns tents his fingers simlarly to Davros, eh? Since Davros has (had) only one arm, this is clearly a mistaken analogy and it's got to go. ] 12:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

== Birthplace ==

In episode #1706, when asked for his place of birth by the ] door, Burns enters ] on a keypad... --] 01:14, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I believe he said "Tangiers" to the voice prompt during 1706 but Pangea was already up on this site from months ago so these are two competing birthplaces.

:I think it's safe to assume that Monty was not born on Pangaea. This is what we in the biz like to call "a gag." --] 04:20, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

== Major Cleanup Required ==

I think the time has come to create individual pages for the more unwieldy parts of this article, specifically, Mr. Burns' state of mind. This is a running list that clogs up the middle of the article. I propose the new article ] be used to document the list in its entirety, and the section of this main article that was formerly dedicated to this purpose be used in a general way for the casual reader. As Simpsons fans, we should attempt to make Misplaced Pages articles on Simpsons characters general, leaving the more specific information to be expounded upon in separate articles. ] 18:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)takethemud

I think something similar to the above suggestion should be carried out for the "Biography" section. It is long and unwieldy and would make an excellent article in-itself. Please see ] for the new article. Right now it is a duplicate of the Biography section of this article. It would be good, in my opinion, to cut down this biography section to make it readable, coherent, and more concise; then, the new article could be jam packed with every conceivably relevant piece of information on Burns' life. ] 18:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)takethemud

:You shouldn't split of sections of a specific aspect of a character. That just makes a mess out of the situation. They aren't all that long and an article can go over the 30kb recommendation without being a problem. Instead, think about reducing the level of detail to shrink the article down. &ndash; ] (] | ]) 23:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

== Real life models ==

''"...with notable similarities to Howard Hughes (for example, during a particular bout of eccentricity, he became paranoid about germs, wore tissue boxes on his feet, collected his urine in jars, and built a model plane which he dubbed the ''Spruce Moose'')..."''

Is this not a confusion with the '']'', the famous (very large and real) aircraft that Hughes built? ] 09:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

It's clearly a joke based on the name of the real plane built by Hughes, not a "confusion." Additionally, Mr. Burns later owns a plane called "The Plywood Pelican"] (]) 16:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

==Cuba==
He didn't know wwhat had happened in Cuba he completley missed the revolution and the the capitalists were still in charge should we mention this?

==Voice actor clarification==

Both Mr. Burns (and Moe) were originally voiced by a different actor, but he is not listed. Only Hank Azaria is listed in the case of Moe and Harry Shearer in the case of Burns. Their original actor is ]. I was thinking that it should not only be part of the statistical table, but it should be written about in a paragraph somewhere. The wiki entry for Christopher Collins is not very complete, but IMDB has his resume, as does the wiki at Memory Alpha--] 15:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== Age could be 4 digits? ==

Under Age (under the picture) it states: unknown, assumed 80-104, could be 4 digits.

Anyone else feel the "could be 4 digits" to be a bit innapropriate for this article, which is otherwise quite professional and informative? I understand if the tone is following the comedy of the simpsons, but maybe someone else has an opinion on this.
:100% agree. Four digits is basically saying he could be from 1000 to 9999 years old—I do not think so. I have removed it. <font color="#007FFF">]</font>''']'''<font color="#007FFF">]</font>|<sup><font color="orange">]</font></sup> 14:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

whrere is that list of mr. burns thoughts of whats going on like that donuts are ethnic food etc.

*He's 81 in Simpsons and Delilah and 104 in Who shot MB I. 104 is the official age.

*Agreed. Removing. ] 03:17, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

hey the 4th button he pressed was the enter key--] 05:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Exactly the 4th button he pressed was the enter key--] 03:14, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

== Birth year ==

I am removing this because the producers and creator have said that it is a sliding time frame for the show. Otherwise, Bart would be 29 years old since he was 10 when the shorts began in 1987 (so his birth year would have been 1977 then but 1996 now). This is also why they try and avoid mentioning specific dates (and how Homer was originally a teenager at Woodstock but later shown as a little kid at Woodstock). ] 21:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

== 81 ==

Mr. Burnes states himself that he is 81 years old in "Simpson and Delilah" (the one where he gets the hair medicine). This article states he is at least 100. Continuity error?
:Well, there's a whole section about that called "]." It says that there are a lot of contradicting things about it.

== Splitting up the article ==

This article is very long and should be split up. The "Biography" section is very long as is the "State of Mind" section. I think it would be better to have "main articles" for each of these sections which could hold all of the information currently on this page (and whatever future information would be added to them). Then, the sections on this page could be shortened to hold only the most important information about Mr. Burns. Some time ago, I created articles for that purpose, ] and ], but they were deleted. With this article growing and growing and growing, it might be prudent to reconsider this idea and recreate those articles. What say you all? ] 23:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:No. Trim the info, tighten the language, do whatever is necessary, but the idea of creating an article to deal with the state of mind of a fictional character is way beyond the scope of Misplaced Pages. Isn't there a Simpsons wiki? ] 07:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

:I gotta say, I disagree with you. First, Mr. Burns needs to be cleaned up - it's a top priority on the Simpsons Wikiproject. Not to be rude, but I don't know what it means for something to be "way beyond the scope of Misplaced Pages." I looked for stuff about Misplaced Pages's scope and I couldn't find anything- the closest thing I found was that Misplaced Pages shouldn't have a limited scope like a traditional paper encyclopedia. If there is something that says what Wiki's scope should be, please point it out to me. As I see it, Misplaced Pages is a great place to list things like statements that show Mr. Burns is out of touch. And it should include these things. To that end, I created this article: ]. This would be a great place for people to add quotes by Mr. Burns that show his being out of touch with the present day. There are lists of awards won by the simpsons and the like, so why not have this list, too? Judging by the sheer volume of information about Mr. Burns' state of mind, it's obvious there's a significant level of interest in the subject - and Misplaced Pages should be there to meet that interest. I would think that one way to judge whether something is worthy of inclusion in Misplaced Pages is how much interest there is in something - and given the limited raw information there is to work with, Mr Burns' article is more thorough and exhaustive than the articles about some countries. So why delete things that are in the public interest to keep? Why get rid of it because he's a fictional character? Let's keep this stuff alive and also keep it separate. ] 08:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

::Look at ]. Also see ], specifically #4, which talks about lists of quotes. For that reason, I've redirected the page you created to this article. And in the future, when something is still being discussed, let that discussion play out before creating articles (especially ones with grammer and capitalization errors). ] 00:16, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Alright, so I went through "State of Mind" and made it into a few paragraphs. I'm hesitant to cut the content out of the article and replace it with what I've made up without first getting input about it from others. So, maybe interested persons will take a look at these paragraphs, edit them as they see fit, and when they are acceptable, we can replace the State of Mind section with an edited version of this (minus the bullet points which are there only to differentiate the entry from the rest of this talk page):

*Mr Burns commonly uses phrases and expressions that have fallen out of common use, including ] (meaning 20 years), ] (meaning two), post-haste (meaning quickly), petroleum distillate (meaning gasoline), gay (meaning jolly), dean (meaning principal), fourth form (meaning fourth grade), ] (meaning hello), ] and ] (both meaning television), dictabelt (meaning tape recorder), and the New York Nine (meaning New York Yankees).

*Mr Burns also displays mannerisms which are considered outdated, such as writing with a quill pen, driving a ] while wearing a ]s' outfit which includes hat, ], and goggles, carrying a ] for self defense, driving without regard to traffic laws in the manner of early 20th century motorists, and using an antique ] to take photographs.

*Mr Burns seems unaware of 20th century political and social developments, such as ] replacing ] as the President of Cuba, ] changing its name to ], the ] changing its name to the ], ] being absorbed into the ], ] gaining its independence from the ], ] entering the ], ] changing its name to ], the disbanding of the ], the desegregation of the ], ] no longer being a ], the extinction of the ], the discrediting of ], the demolition of the ], the ceasing of publication of ], believing tires need to be ], thinking cars are still operated by levers, believing mail may still be delivered by ], and the occurrence of the ].

*Mr Burns commonly refers to deceased persons as if they were alive, including ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], and ].

*Mr Burns believes some social institutions and inventions are novel or nonexistent, such as ] about "]" and "]", the ], the ], ], ], ], ], the ], the ], the ], the word"]", silent films like the 1929 '']'', and the synonymity of ] and ].
what does everybody think? ] 17:17, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


:The more I look at the "State of Mind" section, the more it seems to be a sub of the Age section. He's a man stuck in a time-frame that no longer exists. ] 22:15, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


] → ] — Mr. Burns' full name is usually given as "C. Montgomery Burns" instead of just "Montgomery Burns".—] (]) 01:18, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
*Does Monty really mention Don Bradman? Vic Richardson? I find that extremely hard to believe. ] 22:15, 13 February 2007
:If you're going to change it to his "full name", you might as well change it to "Charles Montgomery Burns." To be fair, his name is also given as "Charles Montgomery Burns", "Monty Burns" and "Montgomery Burns" on numerous occasions, and all of those names are secondary to his common name in the show, "Mr. Burns". Since we can't use the latter, I think the current title suits things just fine. -- ]] 02:11, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' He is rarely referred to as C or Charles. <span style="font-family:Kristen ITC;">] ]</span> 03:12, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' on basis of ].--] (]) 17:20, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Why can't "Mr. Burns" be used? ''''']]''''' 15:49, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
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== Partisan participation in petitions ==
== Wealth ==


Mr.Burns has participated in a petition, and was instrumental in helping it pass because everyone followed him:
what proof is there that he is worth 16.8 billion I far as I know he has 2.2 billion
http://www.tv.com/the-simpsons/marge-vs.-singles-seniors-childless-couples-and-teens-and-gays/episode/242858/summary.html
-2.1 billion his cansino
-100 million the plant
-and the water works
] 20:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)Tonyman1989


For some strange reason, in that episode they thought rich people like burns tries to get the best for society and so they participated when burns did.
:Do you have any sources to cite for the figures you've given? Without sources, your figures are no better than anything else. ] 03:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


Not sure if this is noteworthy enough though <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:49, 1 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Forbes Magazine has about his wealth. ] 00:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
:Mostly just trivial. <span style="font-family:Kristen ITC;">] ]</span> 20:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


== Marge vs. Citizen Kane? ==
is there any proof in the series i mean were did forbes get ther numbers firbes has said anywhere from 1 billion to 16.8 billion] 14:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)tonyman1989


To me, the sentence "He employed his wealth to make an ultimately unsuccessful run for state governor, only — like Charles Foster Kane — to be denied his chance to be Governor by Marge Simpson;" makes it sound like Marge was responsible for ruining Kane's run for governor. Am I alone here? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:55, 12 March 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
I don't know where Forbes got their figure. But, it's the most recent figure they gave. Ask them how they compiled it if you're curious. ] 01:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
:I removed the bit about Foster as it is ] <span style="font-family:Kristen ITC;">] ]</span> 20:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


== Burns' age and the ATM-machine == == Member of the SS ==
there have been several references to Mr Burns being in the SS (latest one being his membership card in the latest episode) that he was fighting with the germans not against them should this be integrated into the article?


Also his name SCHICKLGRUBER was the Name of ADOLF HITLERS Father!But it looks like the most people dont know it,so its a little bit crazy that he is"Modeled after Jacob Rothschild"... <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:21, 29 June 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
As I uderstood, he first puts in 3 digits, which is the code, thus saying he is around 100 years of age, and the 4th button he pushes is the "OK" button and is located underneath the other btton. ] 20:06, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


== Major Edits == == Antique camera Question ==


Can anyone provide a citation for the episode in which Burns uses an antique camera to capture the misdeeds of Springfield elementary students in an upstairs classroom. He instructs them to "hold still for 74 minutes". I am doing some important work for this article and reviewing this episode would add greatly to my contribution. Thanks
I made some major edits to this page. I'd like to see this get up to Good Article status. -- ] 06:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


-Anonymous Coward aka Top Playa Hata From Korea <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:42, 14 June 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== Burns' Age ==
:Don't know the episode, but the 74 minute image probably refers to ]. / ]<small> ] ]</small> 01:56, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


Folks keep going into the Burns box and changing his age from "Undetermined" to "104." This is incorrect. While it's been said he's 104, it's also been said he's 81, and it's been implied he lived at the time of the dinosaurs. Hopefully these edits will cease. If they don't, what can be done to secure the age at "Undetermined" other than watching constantly for changes. --] 06:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


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About the 81 age thing: Has anyone ever considered that Burns might be lying about his age? Perhaps he did not want anyone to know how old he really was back then. Considering that certain episodes show him concerned about his age this could be somewhat probable.
What the hell is that ? ]&nbsp;] 06:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


== Weakness ==
:"Could be somewhat probable" is not accurate enough for a Misplaced Pages article. It needs to be verifiable. ] 02:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


In the 21st season episode ], Burns is flung backward by about 1 to 2 metres by a flash of light. Perhaps this should be added in the list of other qualities that make him weak, such as not being able to crush an insect or a paper cut. ] (]) 15:23, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::Yup. Technically, we'd need a reputable news outlet to say that he is 104. ] 16:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
:We want to keep the examples to a minimum, 1-2, maybe 3. Otherwise the page will be filled up with meaningless trivial information, and dramatically lower the quality of the article. <span style="font-family:Kristen ITC;">] ]</span> 17:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


== Will There Ever Be a Rainbow? ==
== References ==


Why isnt his autobiography mentioned? ] (]) 05:59, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't mean to seem prudish about something as trivial as a character bio for an animated series, but why are 2 of the 4 references (a low number for such a large article to begin with) references to wiki? We cannot reference our selves if I recall correctly. ] 16:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


== Allusion to vampires == == Full Name ==


In ] we learn that Mr. Burns' full name is Charles Montgomery Plantagenet Schicklgruber Burns. Burns himself says the full name, then we plainly see it printed on his will, in addition to Burns' clearly legible signature. The Simpsons Wiki has updated to include the full name (http://simpsons.wikia.com/Charles_Montgomery_Burns), as it's now canonical. I notice it's been edited into this article a few times, but people keep removing it. What's going on, folks?
The Burns character is clearly an allusion to vampires. Simpson-experts will find episodes in which he is depicted with a cloak typical for vampire movies. In this context, Pangea as his birthplace makes sense, also his high age. He is extremely powerful but physically weak. He is a member of secret organisations etc. etc. It plays with the anti-semitic anti-capitalist sterotype of vampires/bloodsucking capitalists/physically weak but through the power of money extremely powerful jews. A serious essay about the Burns character has to take that into account!!!
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:It's a joke, that will '''never''' be mentioned again. <span style="font-family:Kristen ITC;">] ]</span> 02:50, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
::And Fat Tony's not really dead either, then? Principal Tanzarian is really Seymour Skinner? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::You miss the point of ], both Fat Tony and Skinner focused an entire episode, especially Skinner. Burns was a 2 second mention. <span style="font-family:Kristen ITC;">] ]</span> 06:40, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
::Well, we certainly shouldn't include anything about this character from a comedy cartoon show that might be a ''joke.'' ] (]) 03:25, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I agree. Of course it's a joke. Of course it won't be mentioned again. I guess most things on that show is only mentioned once. Nevertheless, it should be considered canonical because it is mentioned as his full legal name. Does anyone really have a good reason to leave it out? I don't think we've ever been given any disputing information, this is just the first (and possibly only) time it was mentioned. ] (]) 12:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
::::] <span style="font-family:Kristen ITC;">] ]</span> 14:42, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Where's the problem?
Fun Names, well what about Jojo and Jay?
i know they're mentioned more often, but they're canonical, so those 2 should also.
It's his full name, why can't you accept it?
It's just like the comic book guy's name, how often was it mentioned since it's revelation?
But still it's canonical, despite matt wanting to name him Louis Lane.
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"Charles Montgomery Plantagenet Schicklgruber Burns" is his full (and legal) name according to the episode "Flaming Moe". I think it should be included AMONG THE OTHERS since, among other things, Maria Anna Schicklegruber was the name of Adolf Hitler's paternal grandmother (perhaps a reference to Mr. Burns' his evil?). Plantagenet may refer to a British Royal House founded in 1126 (perhaps a reference to Mr. Burns' wealth?) This is actually a historical possibility as opposed to when Mr. Burns refers to his birthplace as Pangea. This is an impossibility since Pangea broke up about 200 million years ago. Additionally, the character from "Family Guy" is referred to as "Peter Löwenbräu Griffin" (an occasional reference at best); this is a fine precedent to justify the use of CMPS Burns - it at the very least deserves a mention. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 06:20, 26 January 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
So, and correct me if I'm wrong, but what you're saying is that Panagea was home to vampires? That's a new one for me.] (]) 16:54, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


:It has been used once in an episode long after any logic has left the show. It may not be the case with Burns, but these people's 'full' names change so often it's virtually pointless. I guess it could be mentioned, but not in the lead. This is Misplaced Pages, not Wikisimpsons: a character's 'full' 'legal' 'name' mentioned once for the purposes of a 'joke' really isn't very notable. ]<sup>]</sup> 08:51, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
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::Furthermore, even if this information is taken seriously, the context in which it was presented doesn't actually establish that the name "Charles Montgomery Plantagenet Schicklgruber Burns" is correct within the program's universe. We only know that Mr. Burns ''claimed'' it to be his legal name (and had it printed on a document of his creation). This is significant, given the fact that Burns was depicted as senile in the very same scene (and we have only his unscrupulous attorney's word that he was "mentally competent" during the half-hour in which the will was signed).
Is Burns left handed? He is heavily implied to be in ] but I suspect this is heavily contridicted elsewhere. Would someone mind checking to see if burns uses a standard clutch in other episodes? ] 01:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
::We also know that Burns referred to himself as "C. Montgomery Burns" in the will's first sentence, seemingly contradicting the title page.
::I feel a bit silly pointing out such details, but they exist on the same level as those supposedly justifying the edits to the article's lead. —] 12:10, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


Fat Tony was called William "Fat Tony" Williams in a fairly early episode, as a joke about a mobster having a non-Italian, whitebread name. But he's become Anthony "Fat Tony" D'Amico. Just an example of how a one-off doesn't necessarily mean anything. ] (]) 22:24, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
*Yes, in that episode he is a left-handed person, but not the only one. ] is also left handed, as well as Ned Flanders himself.] 09:00, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


== Voice actor in first episode ==
== Mother's name ==


The voice actor is only named for "Homer's Odyssey" onward, who was the voice actor of Mr. Burns in Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire?<p>] (]) 00:38, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
I changed Burns' mother's name from "Mater" to unknown. He addresses his mother as "mater" in Homer the Smithers, but Mater is an archaic synonym for mother, not her name.


== Body Model for Mr. Burns ==
Source:"mother." Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.3.1). Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. 08 Jul. 2007. <Thesaurus.com http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/mother>.] 01:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
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In the fourth episodes of the fifth season, "]," @2:47, Mr. Burns' birthday is suggested as September 15. I have no knowledge on how to edit an article, so I thought I'd suggest it here for someone. It's a fun, useless fact that might be entertaining to add. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 06:17, 24 June 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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Based on the history of this article, don't bother editing in any facts about characters revealed in dialogue from episodes, as those are "jokes" and therefore not "real" unlike all of that apparently real Simpsons information out there. ] (]) 15:20, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
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I'd like to contradict "simpson ay?" because if you watch the episodes you will find that he always forgets homer's name, and repeatedly asks smithers for a reminder. ] (]) 16:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, duh, and after Smithers says something along the lines of "That's Homer Simpson sir, one of your carbon blobs from sector 7-G" Burns will ''always'' reply, "Simpson ay?". I suggest ''you'' watch the episodes. --] ] 07:26, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


== Allegations in McAuley Shootout? == == Origin of last name ==


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Hi. There's a section titled "Allegations in McAuley Shootout" which looks a lot like vandalism. However, I don't watch ''The Simpsons'' that often so I'm not sure. Could someone else take a look at it? Thanks. ] (]) 14:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


== Why does Montgomery Burns get his own article and not Carter Pewtersmith? ==
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I find this very hypocritical. I know Burns has at least a decade more of material, and he's more popular overall, but Carter Pewtersmith is no minor character. He's more of an antagonist of Family Guy than Burns is of The Simpsons. At least we see Burns' humanity and Homer and Burns are legit friends although they aren't willing to admit it. But Carter literally fits every description of a villain. And Family Guy has been parodied, reviewed, criticized, ridiculed all around the Internet (and possibly real life too) since it began in 1999. It's no small show, and I don't buy for a second there aren't enough sources from the real world to talk about the character, there must be.
I removed the phrase "Persia changed its name to Iran." Persia never changed its name to Iran. The country European scholars called Persia was called Iran--had been called so for at least two millenia--by its people before and after the Islamic Revolution of 1979. While the phrase, and its co-location with the next phrase which correctly asserts the change of polity in Iran, creates the illusion that the name Iran has been chosen in the wake of a recent political upheaval.


So yeah, I see it as nothing but hypocritical that Burns gets his own article and Carter doesn't. Can someone explain to me the reason ignoring the hypocrisy? I would like to know. ] (]) 00:03, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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Richest Man?

In "The Burns and the Bees" he loes alot of money from the stadium and got tossed out of the billionaires group and since the "The Rich Texan" was also in the billianaries group wouldn't that make Mr. Burns the second richest man in Springfield? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.254.89.216 (talk) 22:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

We usually don't change something like that based on one episode. CTJF83Talk 02:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually there's another episode which may support the idea that Mr.Burns may not be the richest man in Springfield. Towards the end of Double Double, Boy In Trouble, Bart (who is playing as Simon) accidentally stumbles into Mr.Burns. When he apologizes, Mr. Burns says "Nonsense young Woosterfield, your fortune is greater than mine! It is I who am at your service!". However it is not stated whether or not the Woosterfields live in Springfield or not. Redterror117 (talk) 13:49, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Pronounciation of excellent

I think a mention of how Mr. burns pronounces excellent can be mentioned phonetically, it sounds like egg-se-lent. any thoughts —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theo10011 (talk • contribs) 07:55, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Running Gag on Burns senile mind

In the 451st episode Once Upon a Time in Springfield Burns thinks that 2010 economic crisis is the Great Depression and Franklin Delano Roosevelt is President! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.126.88 (talk) 13:09, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Mr Burns on Twitter!

Since the idea of this page is to help to get a better understanding of this character, is it worth mentioning that he Tweets on Twitter? It's actually a good read and all Tweets are in character! http://www.twitter.com/Monty_Burns --195.173.213.158 (talk) 15:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

No, it has nothing to do with the show. CTJF83 chat 19:04, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Ucucha 18:05, 27 January 2010 (UTC)




Montgomery Burns → C. Montgomery Burns — Mr. Burns' full name is usually given as "C. Montgomery Burns" instead of just "Montgomery Burns".—Marcus Brute (talk) 01:18, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

If you're going to change it to his "full name", you might as well change it to "Charles Montgomery Burns." To be fair, his name is also given as "Charles Montgomery Burns", "Monty Burns" and "Montgomery Burns" on numerous occasions, and all of those names are secondary to his common name in the show, "Mr. Burns". Since we can't use the latter, I think the current title suits things just fine. -- Scorpion 02:11, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
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Partisan participation in petitions

Mr.Burns has participated in a petition, and was instrumental in helping it pass because everyone followed him: http://www.tv.com/the-simpsons/marge-vs.-singles-seniors-childless-couples-and-teens-and-gays/episode/242858/summary.html

For some strange reason, in that episode they thought rich people like burns tries to get the best for society and so they participated when burns did.

Not sure if this is noteworthy enough though —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.59.147 (talk) 14:49, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Mostly just trivial. CTJF83 chat 20:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Marge vs. Citizen Kane?

To me, the sentence "He employed his wealth to make an ultimately unsuccessful run for state governor, only — like Charles Foster Kane — to be denied his chance to be Governor by Marge Simpson;" makes it sound like Marge was responsible for ruining Kane's run for governor. Am I alone here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kapelson (talk • contribs) 19:55, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I removed the bit about Foster as it is unsourced CTJF83 chat 20:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Member of the SS

there have been several references to Mr Burns being in the SS (latest one being his membership card in the latest episode) that he was fighting with the germans not against them should this be integrated into the article?

Also his name SCHICKLGRUBER was the Name of ADOLF HITLERS Father!But it looks like the most people dont know it,so its a little bit crazy that he is"Modeled after Jacob Rothschild"... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:6F:CF22:8854:1994:326B:F0C8:490A (talk) 22:21, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Antique camera Question

Can anyone provide a citation for the episode in which Burns uses an antique camera to capture the misdeeds of Springfield elementary students in an upstairs classroom. He instructs them to "hold still for 74 minutes". I am doing some important work for this article and reviewing this episode would add greatly to my contribution. Thanks

-Anonymous Coward aka Top Playa Hata From Korea —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.217.151.39 (talk) 23:42, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Don't know the episode, but the 74 minute image probably refers to daguerreotype. / edg ☺ ☭ 01:56, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


Atom Mill

What the hell is that ?  Jon Ascton  (talk) 06:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Weakness

In the 21st season episode American History X-Cellent, Burns is flung backward by about 1 to 2 metres by a flash of light. Perhaps this should be added in the list of other qualities that make him weak, such as not being able to crush an insect or a paper cut. 210.4.226.187 (talk) 15:23, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

We want to keep the examples to a minimum, 1-2, maybe 3. Otherwise the page will be filled up with meaningless trivial information, and dramatically lower the quality of the article. CTJF83 chat 17:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Will There Ever Be a Rainbow?

Why isnt his autobiography mentioned? Portillo (talk) 05:59, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Full Name

In Flaming Moe we learn that Mr. Burns' full name is Charles Montgomery Plantagenet Schicklgruber Burns. Burns himself says the full name, then we plainly see it printed on his will, in addition to Burns' clearly legible signature. The Simpsons Wiki has updated to include the full name (http://simpsons.wikia.com/Charles_Montgomery_Burns), as it's now canonical. I notice it's been edited into this article a few times, but people keep removing it. What's going on, folks? Seansinc (talk) 02:45, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

It's a joke, that will never be mentioned again. CTJF83 chat 02:50, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
And Fat Tony's not really dead either, then? Principal Tanzarian is really Seymour Skinner? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.166.74.197 (talk) 05:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
You miss the point of WP:UNDUE, both Fat Tony and Skinner focused an entire episode, especially Skinner. Burns was a 2 second mention. CTJF83 chat 06:40, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Well, we certainly shouldn't include anything about this character from a comedy cartoon show that might be a joke. Predestiprestidigitation (talk) 03:25, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I agree. Of course it's a joke. Of course it won't be mentioned again. I guess most things on that show is only mentioned once. Nevertheless, it should be considered canonical because it is mentioned as his full legal name. Does anyone really have a good reason to leave it out? I don't think we've ever been given any disputing information, this is just the first (and possibly only) time it was mentioned. Axelv (talk) 12:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
WP:UNDUE CTJF83 chat 14:42, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Where's the problem? Fun Names, well what about Jojo and Jay? i know they're mentioned more often, but they're canonical, so those 2 should also. It's his full name, why can't you accept it? It's just like the comic book guy's name, how often was it mentioned since it's revelation? But still it's canonical, despite matt wanting to name him Louis Lane.

"Charles Montgomery Plantagenet Schicklgruber Burns" is his full (and legal) name according to the episode "Flaming Moe". I think it should be included AMONG THE OTHERS since, among other things, Maria Anna Schicklegruber was the name of Adolf Hitler's paternal grandmother (perhaps a reference to Mr. Burns' his evil?). Plantagenet may refer to a British Royal House founded in 1126 (perhaps a reference to Mr. Burns' wealth?) This is actually a historical possibility as opposed to when Mr. Burns refers to his birthplace as Pangea. This is an impossibility since Pangea broke up about 200 million years ago. Additionally, the character from "Family Guy" is referred to as "Peter Löwenbräu Griffin" (an occasional reference at best); this is a fine precedent to justify the use of CMPS Burns - it at the very least deserves a mention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.29.73.48 (talk) 06:20, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

It has been used once in an episode long after any logic has left the show. It may not be the case with Burns, but these people's 'full' names change so often it's virtually pointless. I guess it could be mentioned, but not in the lead. This is Misplaced Pages, not Wikisimpsons: a character's 'full' 'legal' 'name' mentioned once for the purposes of a 'joke' really isn't very notable. Gran 08:51, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Furthermore, even if this information is taken seriously, the context in which it was presented doesn't actually establish that the name "Charles Montgomery Plantagenet Schicklgruber Burns" is correct within the program's universe. We only know that Mr. Burns claimed it to be his legal name (and had it printed on a document of his creation). This is significant, given the fact that Burns was depicted as senile in the very same scene (and we have only his unscrupulous attorney's word that he was "mentally competent" during the half-hour in which the will was signed).
We also know that Burns referred to himself as "C. Montgomery Burns" in the will's first sentence, seemingly contradicting the title page.
I feel a bit silly pointing out such details, but they exist on the same level as those supposedly justifying the edits to the article's lead. —David Levy 12:10, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Fat Tony was called William "Fat Tony" Williams in a fairly early episode, as a joke about a mobster having a non-Italian, whitebread name. But he's become Anthony "Fat Tony" D'Amico. Just an example of how a one-off doesn't necessarily mean anything. M-1 (talk) 22:24, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Voice actor in first episode

The voice actor is only named for "Homer's Odyssey" onward, who was the voice actor of Mr. Burns in Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire?

24.203.59.120 (talk) 00:38, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Body Model for Mr. Burns

Member of Parliament
John Elwes
MP, Esq.
In office
1772–1784
Preceded byThomas Craven
Succeeded byHenry James Pye
Member of Parliament
for Berkshire
Personal details
Born7 April 1714 (1714-04-07)
Southwark, England
Died26 November 1789 (1789-11-27) (aged 75)
Berkshire, England
OccupationPolitician, Moneylender

John Elwes, a penurious old bugger and the possible model for the famed miser Ebenezer Scrooge. Get a load of that mug, esp. about the nose and forehead. He could well have been Burnsie's ancestor. --The_Iconoclast (talk) 12:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Another inspiration?

A 2006 article in the Mail on Sunday says that Burns was based on Norwegian magnate Fredrik Olsen (and that Olsen is aware of this). Thoughts? DS (talk) 00:05, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

In the fourth episodes of the fifth season, "Rosebud," @2:47, Mr. Burns' birthday is suggested as September 15. I have no knowledge on how to edit an article, so I thought I'd suggest it here for someone. It's a fun, useless fact that might be entertaining to add. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.1.81.149 (talk) 06:17, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Based on the history of this article, don't bother editing in any facts about characters revealed in dialogue from episodes, as those are "jokes" and therefore not "real" unlike all of that apparently real Simpsons information out there. Predestiprestidigitation (talk) 15:20, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Hank Azaria

How many episodes in season 3 did Hank Azaria voiced Mr. Burns because it sounded like Harry Shearer did voiced him for Season 3.

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Origin of last name

There's controversy over what Matt Groening named Mr. Burns after but it looks like we need a new citation for his last name's origin being a street in Portland. Here's an article that might serve: https://www.travelportland.com/culture/simpsons-landmarks/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpicco (talk • contribs) 15:30, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Why does Montgomery Burns get his own article and not Carter Pewtersmith?

I find this very hypocritical. I know Burns has at least a decade more of material, and he's more popular overall, but Carter Pewtersmith is no minor character. He's more of an antagonist of Family Guy than Burns is of The Simpsons. At least we see Burns' humanity and Homer and Burns are legit friends although they aren't willing to admit it. But Carter literally fits every description of a villain. And Family Guy has been parodied, reviewed, criticized, ridiculed all around the Internet (and possibly real life too) since it began in 1999. It's no small show, and I don't buy for a second there aren't enough sources from the real world to talk about the character, there must be.

So yeah, I see it as nothing but hypocritical that Burns gets his own article and Carter doesn't. Can someone explain to me the reason ignoring the hypocrisy? I would like to know. Blaze The Movie Fan (talk) 00:03, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

@Blaze The Movie Fan Carter Pewterschmidt is currently what is known around here as a WP:REDIRECT. Could a non-awful WP-article about him be written? Maybe. It's up to the people who want to do it to do the job. Afaict no one has tried (don't take that as gospel). If you don't want to make the effort (you may or may not succeed), but instead complain that every other WP-editor is hypocritical for not doing your hobby for you, you can. But consider WP:Assume good faith and how such complaints can make you look in the eyes of other WP-editors. WP:OTHERCONTENT may be of interest.
Some initial reading if you decide to try: WP:N, your first and most important hurdle, and WP:BACKWARD, advice on where to begin. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

What is his birthday?

I am attempting (along with my father) to figure out his age. This would be very important, so if you find his official birthday, that would be instrumental to our calculation. Brickmanstan (talk) 17:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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