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Do you have the query for User:Polygnotus/Data/FeaturedArticleCounts

Hey, Do you by chance have the query you used to generate that file? I, @Hey man im josh and @Novem Linguae were discussing the possibility of throwing together a toolforge tool based on citehighlighter and it would be nice to be able to show users the number/a list of similar FA/GA class pages that use similar sources. Sohom (talk) 00:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Sohom Datta:! I didn't use a query. Because there are so few of them I just made API calls overnight. I then extracted the URLs, extracted the domainnames, and did the counting in Java. Is it possible to see that conversation somewhere? Or was it on IRC/Discord? It sounds interesting. I may or may not have some ideas. Polygnotus (talk) 10:11, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Polygnotus: It was a casual conversation in the main English wiki discord channel on the en wiki discord server.

I've long loved the idea of putting a URL into a web site to see whether Misplaced Pages interprets it as RS, and that was the focus of the discussion. Novem was open to the idea, but they wanted to see that it was desired by enough people.

I like the premise of searching and finding "Canada123 is considered reliable source based on WP:CANADA and RSP page." Or something similar. I think it could be a very useful tool, but I'm still working on the idea of how/where to propose it. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh The first part should be easy to implement thanks to User:Novem_Linguae/Scripts/CiteHighlighter/SourcesJSON.js. Connecting it to a exact RSN discussion or RSP/VG entry might take a bit more work. Sohom (talk) 13:52, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, absolutely. I vaguely mentioned the idea of accepted / trusted volunteers who could add the relevant links. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Sohom Datta: I still have the code used of course and I'd be happy to run it again. It has been undeleted and moved to User:Polygnotus/Data/FeaturedArticleCounts (it is not very outdated because FAs are pretty rare, back then there were 6538 and currently there are 6566). My conversation with Novem Linguae is here. Novem Linguae added a bunch of them to SourcesJSON. User:Headbomb/unreliable also exists but I haven't really looked at it. GreenC keeps track of basically every URL on Misplaced Pages IIRC. Polygnotus (talk) 18:27, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Sohom Datta: My idea would be:

• Make a API with 5 endpoints
  1. voteup
  2. votedown
  3. trustedvoteup (which would count for, lets say, +5 votes)
  4. trustedvotedown (ditto, but -5)
  5. list
• Make a javascript that:
  1. adds up and down arrows to each source. Click the up arrow to vote that a source is reliable, down arrow for unreliable.
  2. colors the source a shade of green or red depending on the amount of amount of up or downvotes if there are more than x up or downvotes
  3. Shows how many ratings this source has.
• Give the trusted people the ability to authenticate to the API and then rate sources.

I made a list of the top 10.000 most often referenced domains, make a table sorted by number of occurences where people can easily rate them.

What do you think? Polygnotus (talk) 23:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

A beer for you!

I've never considered looking at the Spam block list log. Nice WP-fu! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thank you! It is one of those forgotten log pages that can be quite handy. Polygnotus (talk) 07:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-38

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Improvements and Maintenance

• Editors interested in templates can help by reading the latest Wishlist focus area, Template recall and discovery, and share your feedback on the talkpage. This input helps the Community Tech team to decide the right technical approach to build. Everyone is also encouraged to continue adding new wishes.
• The new automated Special:NamespaceInfo page helps editors understand which namespaces exist on each wiki, and some details about how they are configured. Thanks to DannyS712 for these improvements.
• References Check is a feature that encourages editors to add a citation when they add a new paragraph to a Misplaced Pages article. For a short time, the corresponding tag "Edit Check (references) activated" was erroneously being applied to some edits outside of the main namespace. This has been fixed.
• It is now possible for a wiki community to change the order in which a page’s categories are displayed on their wiki. By default, categories are displayed in the order they appear in the wikitext. Now, wikis with a consensus to do so can request a configuration change to display them in alphabetical order.
• Tool authors can now access ToolsDB's public databases from both Quarry and Superset. Those databases have always been accessible to every Toolforge user, but they are now more broadly accessible, as Quarry can be accessed by anyone with a Wikimedia account. In addition, Quarry's internal database can now be queried from Quarry itself. This database contains information about all queries that are being run and starred by users in Quarry. This information was already public through the web interface, but you can now query it using SQL. You can read more about that, and 20 other community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week.
• Any pages or tools that still use the very old CSS classes mw-message-box need to be updated. These old classes will be removed next week or soon afterwards. Editors can use a global-search to determine what needs to be changed. It is possible to use the newer cdx-message group of classes as a replacement (see the relevant Codex documentation, and an example update), but using locally defined onwiki classes would be best.

Technical project updates

• Next week, all Wikimedia wikis will be read-only for a few minutes. This will start on September 25 at 15:00 UTC. This is a planned datacenter switchover for maintenance purposes. This maintenance process also targets other services. The previous switchover took 3 minutes, and the Site Reliability Engineering teams use many tools to make sure that this essential maintenance work happens as quickly as possible.

Tech in depth

• The latest monthly MediaWiki Product Insights newsletter is available. This edition includes details about: research about hook handlers to help simplify development, research about performance improvements, work to improve the REST API for end-users, and more.
• To learn more about the technology behind the Wikimedia projects, you can now watch sessions from the technology track at Wikimania 2024 on Commons. This week, check out:
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MediaWiki message delivery 23:59, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Barnstar for you

		The Original Barnstar
		In acknowledgement of your dedication to the WP mission, and your good humor in the face of aspersions, displayed at Luis Elizondo. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 14:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Polygnotus (talk) 16:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-39

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Weekly highlight

• All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on Wednesday September 25 at 15:00 UTC. Reading the wikis will not be interrupted, but editing will be paused. These twice-yearly processes allow WMF's site reliability engineering teams to remain prepared to keep the wikis functioning even in the event of a major interruption to one of our data centers.

Updates for editors

• Editors who use the iOS Misplaced Pages app in Spanish, Portuguese, French, or Chinese, may see the Alt Text suggested-edit experiment after editing an article, or completing a suggested edit using "Add an image". Alt-text helps people with visual impairments to read Misplaced Pages articles. The team aims to learn if adding alt-text to images is a task that editors can be successful with. Please share any feedback on the discussion page.
• The Codex color palette has been updated with new and revised colors for the MediaWiki user interfaces. The most noticeable changes for editors include updates for: dark mode colors for Links and for quiet Buttons (progressive and destructive), visited Link colors for both light and dark modes, and background colors for system-messages in both light and dark modes.
• It is now possible to include clickable wikilinks and external links inside code blocks. This includes links that are used within <syntaxhighlight> tags and on code pages (JavaScript, CSS, Scribunto and Sanitized CSS). Uses of template syntax {{…}} are also linked to the template page. Thanks to SD0001 for these improvements.
• Two bugs were fixed in the GlobalVanishRequest system by improving the logging and by removing an incorrect placeholder message.
• View all 25 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week.

Updates for technical contributors

• From Wikimedia Enterprise:
  • The API now enables 5,000 on-demand API requests per month and twice-monthly HTML snapshots freely (gratis and libre). More information on the updates and also improvements to the software development kits (SDK) are explained on the project's blog post. While Wikimedia Enterprise APIs are designed for high-volume commercial reusers, this change enables many more community use-cases to be built on the service too.
  • The Snapshot API (html dumps) have added beta Structured Contents endpoints (blog post on that) as well as released two beta datasets (English and French Misplaced Pages) from that endpoint to Hugging Face for public use and feedback (blog post on that). These pre-parsed data sets enable new options for researchers, developers, and data scientists to use and study the content.

In depth

• The Wikidata Query Service (WDQS) is used to get answers to questions using the Wikidata data set. As Wikidata grows, we had to make a major architectural change so that WDQS could remain performant. As part of the WDQS Graph Split project, we have new SPARQL endpoints available for serving the "scholarly" and "main" subgraphs of Wikidata. The query.wikidata.org endpoint will continue to serve the full Wikidata graph until March 2025. After this date, it will only serve the main graph. For more information, please see the announcement on Wikidata.

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:33, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I just disturb you.

But, I have now an acount so we can talk more easily! Grubisz440 (talk) 07:58, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

@Grubisz440: Hiya! Welcome to Misplaced Pages! Polygnotus (talk) 08:00, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Race and intelligence

Hello Polygnotus, I just wanted to drop by to tell you about an interesting template I recently found. Expanding it could theoretically allow users to navigate this confusing content area a lot more comfortably. Maybe you have some ideas as to its potential content.
Kind regards
Biohistorian15 (talk) 13:36, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

@Biohistorian15: Hiya! I changed the section header because we tend to use the %month% %year% format when telling someone off. I believe the race and intelligence stuff is rather boring because unfortunately there is currently only one living human race (although I do suspect one of my former neighbors might belong to the homo floresiensis). And we do not yet have a reliable way to measure all facets of intelligence. I read a bit of Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race and intelligence but it was very boring. I would recommend the fascinating study of animal intelligence instead. Polygnotus (talk) 03:10, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

No worries. And I have met my fair share of people worthy of their very own taxonomic adage as well, haha.

Maybe you know somebody else to the (relative) left of these issues that is as charitable as you mostly were in our few past interactions. I just don't want to edit the thing for a long time with my sole POV involved... and then be called a POV pusher by uninvolved bystanders lol. Biohistorian15 (talk) 16:48, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

@Biohistorian15: I think that people who agree with me are very boring. My wife has yet to agree with me.

I (try to) remember the usernames of people who disagreed with me in interesting ways, or even convinced me, and of those who are experts on certain topics.

Unfortunately I don't know the political leanings of the overwhelming majority of users so I assume that everyone else is a despicable centrist anarcho-nazi-communist. You could ask @Slatersteven: if he is interested in this kinda stuff, but be warned, you should read their userpage first! But I would not describe him as charitable, because that might offend him. I have strong opinions on certain subjects, and I am very confident that those opinions are correct, but I never edit the related articles. I don't even read them. This is good for my mental health, saves me a lot of time, and it ensures I can laugh at anyone who accuses me of POV pushing. And when a debate doesn't go the way I want it to I can shrug and move on. If I would edit the articles about stuff I am passionate about irl then my passion would be a weakness for me as a Wikipedian. Polygnotus (talk) 03:33, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

You did pique my curiosity; how would you describe your POV? It is easy to forget that both the left- and right-wing are very diverse. Polygnotus (talk) 06:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try to remember Slatersteven's name for future occasions like this, but after the predictable FT/N posting, I'll likely have quite a few dissenters to work with already...

Regarding politics on the matter, my position is actually much more moderate than it might look from the outside, it's ultimately agnostic; but in light of the kinds of hounding I've been through in the past (*people taking old sentence fragments out of context etc.), I can only deliver a passionate monologue if you mail me. Best of wishes, Biohistorian15 (talk) 11:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-41

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Weekly highlight

• Communities can now request installation of Automoderator on their wiki. Automoderator is an automated anti-vandalism tool that reverts bad edits based on scores from the new "Revert Risk" machine learning model. You can read details about the necessary steps for installation and configuration.

Updates for editors

• Translators in wikis where the mobile experience of Content Translation is available, can now customize their articles suggestion list from 41 filtering options when using the tool. This topic-based article suggestion feature makes it easy for translators to self-discover relevant articles based on their area of interest and translate them. You can try it with your mobile device.
• View all 12 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week.

Updates for technical contributors

• It is now possible for <syntaxhighlight> code blocks to offer readers a "Copy" button if the copy=1 attribute is set on the tag. Thanks to SD0001 for these improvements.
• Customized copyright footer messages on all wikis will be updated. The new versions will use wikitext markup instead of requiring editing raw HTML.
• Later this month, temporary accounts will be rolled out on several pilot wikis. The final list of the wikis will be published in the second half of the month. If you maintain any tools, bots, or gadgets on these 11 wikis, and your software is using data about IP addresses or is available for logged-out users, please check if it needs to be updated to work with temporary accounts. Guidance on how to update the code is available.
• Rate limiting has been enabled for the code review tools Gerrit and GitLab to address ongoing issues caused by malicious traffic and scraping. Clients that open too many concurrent connections will be restricted for a few minutes. This rate limiting is managed through nftables firewall rules. For more details, see Wikitech's pages on Firewall, GitLab limits and Gerrit operations.
• Five new wikis have been created:
  • a Misplaced Pages in Komering (w:kge:)
  • a Misplaced Pages in Mooré (m:mos:)
  • a Wiktionary in Madurese (wikt:mad:)
  • a Wikiquote in Gorontalo (q:gor:)
  • a Wikinews in Shan (n:shn:)

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Doesn't Just Revert, but Helps Out Too

		The Original Barnstar
		Most of the time, when people revert your edits because you didn't follow all ten thousand Misplaced Pages rules, you don't expect them to help you out and make it right. Not this person. Thanks again. Eido INOUE | 井上エイド 08:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you sir! Polygnotus (talk) 08:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Thank you for your response on Teahouse TNM101 (chat) 08:04, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I love cookies! Polygnotus (talk) 08:17, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Resolved

Please consider not adding "Resolved" to Teahouse posts. The original poster and/or Teahouse Hosts may have more to contribute. David notMD (talk) 10:24, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

The poster got indeffed and most likely won't be back. It would be a waste of time to contribute more. Polygnotus (talk) 10:26, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

97 different archives of the Teahouse contain at least one usage of that template. People use it to help others to avoid wasting time. Perhaps try the Idea Lab if you have a better suggestion. Polygnotus (talk) 11:06, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

I have often added that an editor has been indeffed, which I consider useful to others at Teahouse. But I was more thinking about your "Resolved" at the Kennedy kerfuffle rather than the edit warring editor. David notMD (talk) 12:23, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I thought you meant the other one because I responded to you there. In that case I think we agree that no one can add anything of value. About the Kennedy-stuff, the poster expressed suprise that Misplaced Pages does not mention a thing that he or she misremembered. I strongly doubt that anyone can add anything of value to that after the case of mistaken identity had been explained, but if there somehow is something worth adding then people are still able to do that. The resolved template does not automatically lock or archive the section; people can still edit it just like any other section. It is used to indicate that the question has been answered, not to scare people off from editing the section. In some cases discussions do get closed, often when they are not productive, but in that case people use {{atop}} and {{abot}}. I have used those, IIRC, once to boldly close a nonsensical discussion. Luckily no one edited that section after that because it was a waste of time. It would be nice if the Refdesks and Helpdesks and Teahouse had something like a little icon to indicate that a question has been answered, that could save people time. Polygnotus (talk) 12:43, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-42

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Updates for editors

• The Structured Discussion extension (also known as Flow) is starting to be removed. This extension is unmaintained and causes issues. It will be replaced by DiscussionTools, which is used on any regular talk page. A first set of wikis are being contacted. These wikis are invited to stop using Flow, and to move all Flow boards to sub-pages, as archives. At these wikis, a script will move all Flow pages that aren't a sub-page to a sub-page automatically, starting on 22 October 2024. On 28 October 2024, all Flow boards at these wikis will be set in read-only mode.
• WMF's Search Platform team is working on making it easier for readers to perform text searches in their language. A change last week on over 30 languages makes it easier to find words with accents and other diacritics. This applies to both full-text search and to types of advanced search such as the hastemplate and incategory keywords. More technical details (including a few other minor search upgrades) are available.
• View all 20 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, EditCheck was installed at Russian Misplaced Pages, and fixes were made for some missing user interface styles.

Updates for technical contributors

• Editors who use the Toolforge tool Earwig's Copyright Violation Detector will now be required to log in with their Wikimedia account before running checks using the "search engine" option. This change is needed to help prevent external bots from misusing the system. Thanks to Chlod for these improvements.
• Phabricator users can create tickets and add comments on existing tickets via Email again. Sending email to Phabricator has been fixed.
• Some HTML elements in the interface are now wrapped with a <bdi> element, to make our HTML output more aligned with Web standards. More changes like this will be coming in future weeks. This change might break some tools that rely on the previous HTML structure of the interface. Note that relying on the HTML structure of the interface is not recommended and might break at any time.

In depth

• The latest monthly MediaWiki Product Insights newsletter is available. This edition includes: updates on Wikimedia's authentication system, research to simplify feature development in the MediaWiki platform, updates on Parser Unification and MathML rollout, and more.
• The latest quarterly Technical Community Newsletter is now available. This edition include: research about improving topic suggestions related to countries, improvements to PHPUnit tests, and more.

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MediaWiki message delivery 21:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

October 2024

This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on others again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. 331dot (talk) 09:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC)