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		⚫	== Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2024 ==
	== Family tree instead of ahnentafel ==

			{{edit semi-protected\|Marie Antoinette\|answered=yes}}
	While everyone, including me, is in agreement that ''genealogy is relevant'', I question the choice of information presented here. Biographies of Marie Antoinette abound, and a survey of those cited in the article shows that they do not present genealogy in the form of an ahnentafel. Instead they use charts that include siblings, aunts, uncles, and cousins, and illustrate Marie Antoinette's relationship to Louis XVI and the French royal family. Therefore I propose replacing the ahnentafel with a chart modelled after those found in the biographies of Marie Antoinette. ] (]) 02:15, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
			Change her full name from "Maria Antoina Josefa Johanna" to "Maria Antonia Josefa Johanna"
		⚫	(Spelling error in Antonia, the name is spelled correctly in the rest of the article but not right at the start) ] (]) 17:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
			:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 13:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

			== Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2024 ==
	Here is an example modelled after the family tree from Fraser's biography of Marie Antoinette:

	<div style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; overflow:auto; width: 90%;">
	{{chart top \|width=100%\|Family tree after Fraser, illustrating the Bourbon-Habsburg-Lorraine connections}}

	{{Tree chart/start \|style= line-height:100% \|align=center
	}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|Louis\|Louis=]}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|,\|-\|-\|^\|-\|-\|-\|.\|}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|Leopold\| \|Louis\| \|Henrietta\|j\|Philip\|j\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|v\|Liselotte\|Leopold=]\|Louis=]\|Philip=]\|Liselotte=]\|Henrietta=]}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|,\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|^\|-\|-\|-\|-\|\|-\|-\|-\|-\|\|-\|-\|-\|*\|-\|-\|.\| \| \| \|!\|}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \| \| \|Joseph\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|D\|~\|~\|~\|~\|J\| \| \| \|:\| \|Charles\| \|Liselotte\|v\|Leo\|Joseph=]\|Charles=]\|grandson=<small>great-grandson</small>\|Liselotte=]\|Leo=]<!---<br><small>Duke of Lorraine--->}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \|,\|-\|-\|-\|-\|-\|^\|-\|-\|-\|.\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|Marie\|v\|Louis\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|:\| \| \|!\| \| \| \| \| \|!\|\|Louis=]\|Marie=]}}
	{{chart \|border=0\|Amalia\|v\|Charles\| \| \| \|Josepha\|v\|August\| \| \| \| \|,\|-\|-\|-\|+\|-\|-\|-\|.\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|:\| \| \|!\| \| \| \| \| \|!\|Amalia=]\|Josepha=]\|Louis=]\|Charles=]\|August=]}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \|,\|-\|^\|-\|.\| \| \| \|,\|-\|-\|-\|+\|-\|-\|-\|.\| \| \| \|!\| \| \|Mesdames\| \|Louise\| \| \| \| \| \| \|:\| \|Theresa\|-\|v\|-\|Francis\|Mesdames='']''\|Louise=]\|Theresa=]\|Francis=]}}
	{{chart \|border=0\|Josepha\| \|MaxJos\| \|Clemens\| \|Albert\| \|Josephe\|v\|Louis\| \| \|,\|-\|-\|-\|+\|-\|-\|-\|.\| \| \| \|:\| \| \| \| \| \|!\|Josepha=]<br><small>m. {{nowrap\|Joseph II}}\|MaxJos=]\|Clemens=]\|Albert=]<br><small>m. Maria Christina\|Josephe=]\|Louis=]\|Louise=]}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|!\| \| \| \| \|Isabella\| \|Ferdinand\| \|Luisa\| \|Philip\| \| \| \| \|!\|Isabella=]<br><small>m. {{nowrap\|Joseph II}}\|Ferdinand=]<br><small>m. Maria Amalia\|Luisa=]\|Philip=]}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \| \|,\|-\|-\|-\|v\|-\|-\|-\|v\|-\|-\|-\|v\|-\|^\|-\|.\| \| \| \|,\|-\|-\|-\|v\|-\|-\|-\|v\|-\|-\|-\|v\|-\|-\|-\|v\|-\|^\|-\|v\|-\|-\|v\|-\|-\|-\|.\|}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \|Provence\| \|Artois\| \|Clotilde\| \|Elisabeth\| \|Louis\|-\|Antonia\| \|Joseph\| \|Christina\| \|Leopold\| \|Amalia\| \|Carolina\| \|Ferdinand\| \|Max\|Joseph=]\|Christina=]\|Leopold=]\|Amalia=]\|Carolina=]\|Ferdinand=]\|Antonia=''']'''\|Max=]\|Louis=''']'''\|Provence=]\|Artois=]\|Clotilde=]\|Elisabeth=]}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|!\|}}
	{{chart \|border=0\| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \| \|Francis\|Francis=]}}
	{{chart/end}}
	<div style="text-align:left;">
	'''Notes:'''
	Solid vertical lines indicate parent-child relationship, while dashed lines represent more distant ancestor-descendant connections.
	</div>
	{{chart bottom}}
	</div>
	:*'''Support''' - for this & all monarch/consort bios. ] (]) 04:16, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

⚫	== Semi-protected edit request on 18 ~~January~~ 2024 ==

	{{edit semi-protected\|Marie Antoinette\|answered=yes}}		{{edit semi-protected\|Marie Antoinette\|answered=yes}}
			Please add the categories ], as her father was previously Duke of Lorraine and later Archduke of Austria, and ], as her father was also German King in addition to his other titles. Please also add ], as her mother was also Archduhess of Austria in her own right. ] (]) 16:24, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
	Rename the article from 'Marie Antoinette' to Marie Antoinette of Austria. She was royal and just baptismal names isn't how royalty is represented. 'Of Austria' is included in many other pages, such as in the French and Spanish articles. ] (]) 01:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
			:Done. ] (]) 18:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
	: ] '''Not done for now:''' please establish a ] for this alteration ''']''' using the {{Tlx\|Edit semi-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 02:48, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
			::FWIW, let's give unprotection a whirl and seeing how it goes after five years. ] (] '''·''' ]) 22:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

	== Portrait ==

			== Maria Teresa of Austria ==
⚫	~~Add~~ the name of ~~painter~~ of ~~her~~ ~~portrait,~~ in the ~~infobox.~~ ] (]) 20:52, 15 ~~February~~ 2024 (UTC)

			Regarding the family tree near the bottom of the page, what is Henrietta of England doing among the ancestors of Louis XV?
	== Not impartial ==
			Louis XIV's wife was Maria Teresa of Spain, mother of the Grand Dauphin (Louis XV's grandfather). As daughter of Felipe IV of Spain, Maria Teresa was also the niece of Louis XIV's mother, a daughter of Felipe III and halfsister of Felipe IV)... the present family tree does away with the cause of the war for Spanish Succession (Queen Anne's War, in the tradition of US historians) and gets rid of all the Spanish line of Bourbons that reaches until today!!

			Henrietta was Louis XIV's sister in law!! ] (]) 19:18, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
	The whole thing reads like a eulogy. Numerous times emotional sentiment has been shoehorned in. It's not your job to exonerate her or plead her innocence or take a one sided stance.

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Change her full name from "Maria Antoina Josefa Johanna" to "Maria Antonia Josefa Johanna" (Spelling error in Antonia, the name is spelled correctly in the rest of the article but not right at the start) 77.191.21.33 (talk) 17:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Done Charliehdb (talk) 13:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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Please add the categories Category:Daughters of dukes, as her father was previously Duke of Lorraine and later Archduke of Austria, and Category:Daughters of kings, as her father was also German King in addition to his other titles. Please also add Category:Daughters of duchesses regnant, as her mother was also Archduhess of Austria in her own right. 2601:249:9301:D570:F1A2:5799:7476:D3A3 (talk) 16:24, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Done. Dimadick (talk) 18:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, let's give unprotection a whirl and seeing how it goes after five years. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Maria Teresa of Austria

Regarding the family tree near the bottom of the page, what is Henrietta of England doing among the ancestors of Louis XV? Louis XIV's wife was Maria Teresa of Spain, mother of the Grand Dauphin (Louis XV's grandfather). As daughter of Felipe IV of Spain, Maria Teresa was also the niece of Louis XIV's mother, a daughter of Felipe III and halfsister of Felipe IV)... the present family tree does away with the cause of the war for Spanish Succession (Queen Anne's War, in the tradition of US historians) and gets rid of all the Spanish line of Bourbons that reaches until today!!

Henrietta was Louis XIV's sister in law!! 206.204.157.231 (talk) 19:18, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

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