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| The inscriptions in Linear B '' A-pa-i-ti-jo'' and ''Pa-i-to'' probably relate "Hephaistos" with "Phaistos". If someone has a reliable reference he can add it. (In Greek the relation is obvious). ] 15:37, 19 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
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| : '''Ήφαιστος vs. Hephaestus'''. Compared with the original Greek spelling/sound, it seems the English/Latin version has an additional sound of ''h'' at the beginning. Could anyone explain this ''h'' sound? --] (]) 19:53, 22 January 2023 (UTC) | |||
| This article is written and organized as though Hephaestus is an actual living-and-breathing character. It’s written like it’s an article on a person or on a zebra. In that way, it isn’t as much help as it could be to those who are interested in studying the myths and the literature. The important sources tend to be confined to footnotes, or sometimes fragmentary, or scattered about or jumbled together. I think the article would be improved if it had a section on Hephaestus in Hesiod, and another section on Hephaestus in The Iliad, etc. Another illustration of this same problem is that if a reader wants to find out about Hephaestus — as he plays an important role in Aeschylus — you have to read the entire article just to find out whether Aeschylus is included or not.] (]) 15:25, 16 October 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ::The "classical" Greek alphabet doesn't have a letter "h" but ancient Greek had the consonant. The "h" in heuristic, Hellenic, Helen, hydration, hyperbole and many more has indeed come down to us from the Greek roots. Our article ] goes into detail. If these things interest you, you'll also find there that our pronounciation of the "ph" in Hephaestus as a sort of "f" is very different from the old Greek pronunciation. ] (]) 20:39, 22 January 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::@ ]: Just to clarify, the the "h" sound is indicated by the ] at the beginning of the Greek word. ] (]) 14:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ==Eros or Harmonia?== | |||
| I've read before, that although most Greek myths say that Aphrodite & Hephaestus' marriage produced no children, in a few versions either Eros (as noted in the article) or ] was the child of Hephaestus.--] (]) 03:55, 19 June 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == References to "Vulcan", particularly in captions == | |||
| These references seem confusing, Vulcan's relation to Hephaestus could use an explanation, maybe in a footnote? | |||
| ⚫ | ] (]) 14:36, 26 July 2023 (UTC) | ||
| :That's described in the second sentence of the article and in the infobox. ] (]) 14:39, 26 July 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::Found it, thanks. ] (]) 13:27, 16 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == New image == | |||
| Hi I think the infobox should have a new image. First of all, the current image isn't ancient. Second of all, I can barely see his face because of it's positioning. I think that ] would work better because it's positioned better and it's ancient. ] (]) 23:14, 28 July 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :Why do you say Thorvaldsen's statue is ancient? ] (]) 00:29, 29 July 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::I thought it was. It's a mistake on my part. ] (]) 00:32, 29 July 2023 (UTC) | |||
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Etymology
The inscriptions in Linear B A-pa-i-ti-jo and Pa-i-to probably relate "Hephaistos" with "Phaistos". If someone has a reliable reference he can add it. (In Greek the relation is obvious). Jestmoon(talk) 15:37, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ήφαιστος vs. Hephaestus. Compared with the original Greek spelling/sound, it seems the English/Latin version has an additional sound of h at the beginning. Could anyone explain this h sound? --Roland (talk) 19:53, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
- The "classical" Greek alphabet doesn't have a letter "h" but ancient Greek had the consonant. The "h" in heuristic, Hellenic, Helen, hydration, hyperbole and many more has indeed come down to us from the Greek roots. Our article Ancient Greek phonology goes into detail. If these things interest you, you'll also find there that our pronounciation of the "ph" in Hephaestus as a sort of "f" is very different from the old Greek pronunciation. NebY (talk) 20:39, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
- @ Roland: Just to clarify, the the "h" sound is indicated by the comma-like symbol at the beginning of the Greek word. Moonraker12 (talk) 14:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Eros or Harmonia?
I've read before, that although most Greek myths say that Aphrodite & Hephaestus' marriage produced no children, in a few versions either Eros (as noted in the article) or Harmonia was the child of Hephaestus.--Splashen (talk) 03:55, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
References to "Vulcan", particularly in captions
These references seem confusing, Vulcan's relation to Hephaestus could use an explanation, maybe in a footnote?
22jcampb (talk) 14:36, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- That's described in the second sentence of the article and in the infobox. NebY (talk) 14:39, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Found it, thanks. 22jcampb (talk) 13:27, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
New image
Hi I think the infobox should have a new image. First of all, the current image isn't ancient. Second of all, I can barely see his face because of it's positioning. I think that File:Vulcan by Bertel Thorvaldsen.jpg would work better because it's positioned better and it's ancient. Ghost_Cacus (talk) 23:14, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
- Why do you say Thorvaldsen's statue is ancient? NebY (talk) 00:29, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- I thought it was. It's a mistake on my part. Ghost_Cacus (talk) 00:32, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
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