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== Promo language in lead == | |||
==Miss America question== | |||
Who was Miss Nevada, 1989 in the Miss America contest???? Please email response to KCBirt@aol.com | |||
*Debra Schuller <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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==Casey Close== | |||
Gaining experience as anchor and reporter for several local network affiliates, ... | |||
It is almost certainly wrong that her husband is Tom Hanks' agent, unless it's another Hanks. Tom Hanks' agents are CAA and I think he's represented by Ron Meyer. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]){{#if:01:33, August 24, 2007 (UTC)| 01:33, August 24, 2007 (UTC)}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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Either this phrase was meant to begin "After gaining ..." or it's straight-up promotional language. | |||
*Hanks and Cruise are not his clients. He represents baseball players. Those two actors are not in the source either. ] (]) 12:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
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==Controversies Section== | |||
It seems that ] has removed the entire controversies section now three times. To leave this information out is to bias the article. Surely a complete picture of the person should be presented. Tanninglamp in the edit summary writes that calling Ted Kennedy an "Enemy on the home front" was not controversial, and that the Obama Madrassa controversy was not sourced. That former hints at bias, and the latter is not a reason for deletion, but to find a source to improve the encyclopedia. I urge TanningLamp to help to improve the article instead of deleting sections wholesale. ] 01:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
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:: I will add the "Hostile enemy right here on the home front" controversy back to the article using a different source to satisfy TanningLamp's objections. ] 17:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
'''After''' gaining experience<nowiki>{{what}}</nowiki> as anchor and reporter for several local network affiliates<nowiki>{{which}}{{when}}</nowiki>, ... | |||
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— ] 13:54, 20 October 2017 (UTC) | |||
==DOB?== | |||
One part of the entry says 1964, one says 1966? | |||
] (]) 13:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Ok, these two controversies are seriously nit-picking. Neither seem to have garnered any major reporting specific to Carlson. I suggest they are undue weight and would remove completely if not for a single editor. Comments? ] (]) 03:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
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:What are you using to judge that neither "garnered any major reporting"? I was able to find plenty with a single search. ] <small>(])</small> 17:01, 1 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 03:13, 24 October 2017 (UTC) | |||
::I had done some searching and was unable to find much on a google news search of these incidents. I agree that the second has after seeing your additions, but I question the first issue. ] (]) 17:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
==Bill Oreilly and the guy from Red Eye== | |||
:::Most people don't know this, but Google News only searches the last 30 days or so. There is an archive that is searchable, but I don't know how extensive that is. Your library probably offers free access to Lexis/Nexis so you are better off using that. 17:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
I'm fine with this page but we need to reedit Keith Olberman's page to include criticism from Bill O'reilly and the guy from Red Eye...because, you know, it's important to include criticism on any political figure's page from extremists on the other side who are prone to hateful diatribes. | |||
== Unsourced statement probably not true. == | |||
::::Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of that. ] (]) 17:29, 1 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
This statement in the lede is probably not true: | |||
:This entry is a tempest in a teapot -- it's like saying she was a foot over the white line at a red light. I see no significance to it at all. Are we going to go through every person in the media and politics and list everything they say that we disagree with? If so, wikipedia will be even more of a laughingstock. ] (]) 05:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
“Carlson has interviewed every Presidential candidate and President over the last two decades.” | |||
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There are scores of people who have been “presidential candidates” who you’ve never heard of. They filed paperwork to be the candidate of some irrelevant party in one state or another, and may never have gotten on the ballot. Did she interview Virgil Goode, the constitution party’s presidential candidate in 2012? Or Don Blankenship in 2020? Was she even working during the 2020 primaries? Did she interview Jay Inslee and Julian Castro and the two dozen other Democratic candidates? | |||
I removed the external link to MMfA. It only serves to criticize carlson, and does not offer a balanced view. Per ] and ] and probably most specifically under ] it does not belong. Save for a moment that some feel it does belong, then by what means does one decide which belong? What makes MMfA so special that their criticism deserves special mention? By this logic we should have stories on Carlson from every source available. ] (]) 05:31, 15 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
⚫ | More likely, Carlson inteviewed every ''major party'' candidate that won the party’s nomination. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:07, 29 November 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | ||
:It's not a "special mention", it's just a link, and that is what the external links section is for. BLP, EL, and UNDUE do not disqualify this link. Legitimate criticism is appropriate and required by NPOV. You try to fight this battle on every article, and it's just not working. ] <small>(])</small> 06:17, 15 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
:I've removed the statement, partially because it hasn't been cited in ten months, and is very likely untrue as asserted above. ] (]) 23:58, 10 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
== There are mountains of uncited assertions in this BLP == | |||
::] covers ALL aspects of the article. The logic that it doesn't apply to external links is incredulous. ] (]) 15:26, 18 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
I've tagged many of them. If these assertions are not addressed with sourcing I expect to remove them. ] (]) 00:08, 11 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Why is there no mention about the scandal during her first job as a reporter?? == | |||
:::Yes, NPOV applies to the whole ''article'', not to individual external links. If your logic applied, no links would be possible. A Fox bio is not neutral either, it is strictly complimentary. This is nonsense. ] <small>(])</small> 17:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
Souce (already cited as #19 on Misplaced Pages): | |||
::::How can something apply to the whole article and then not include the individual links? They are not mutually exclusive. At least you readily admit that the external links are currently promoting undue weight. To say that her FOX bio is strictly complimentary is absurd, perhaps you should read up on those types of Bio's to see what a Bio should really look like. I simply don't understand the reasoning that you and others have where by there must be negative information on someone less the article is too positive. ] (]) 17:29, 18 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
https://www.styleweekly.com/tv-8-beauty-queen-back-on-local-airwaves/ | |||
"But her tenure was tainted by a nationally publicized, tabloid-style scandal involving a reported affair with her married co-anchor, Kevin McGraw. While McGraw was let go in the wake of the scandal, Carlson left voluntarily to accept a job at WCPO-TV in Cincinnati. Before she left town, a few city luminaries threw her a glitzy, black-tie-optional send-off." | |||
:::::No, that is not my reasoning. If criticism exists, it is our duty under NPOV to report on it. To report only complimentary things if such criticism exists violates NPOV. ] <small>(])</small> 18:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
I grew up in Richmond And I can tell you that this was major news at the time. This is not in the source, she was busted providing oral services to McGraw in the WRIC parking lot. The big black tie send off was done in hopes that she would keep her mouth shut about the many local politicians that she was also having affairs with. | |||
::Arzel, what are you, hired by Fox News to defend Republicans? Why are you against any criticism of these figureS? Criticism is just more information about a person. If you want to contrast the information or clarify it then do so and cite it but do not just remove stuff you don't like. This isn't Arzelopedia. | |||
I find it odd that there's this great outpouring of sympathy for her when she it seems like Roger Ailes - who was lying, cheating human filth, I make no excuses for him - was just acting on her reputation. ] (]) 03:45, 10 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Gaining experience as anchor and reporter for several local network affiliates, ...
Either this phrase was meant to begin "After gaining ..." or it's straight-up promotional language.
I suggest:
After gaining experience{{what}} as anchor and reporter for several local network affiliates{{which}}{{when}}, ...
— MaxEnt 13:54, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
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Bill Oreilly and the guy from Red Eye
I'm fine with this page but we need to reedit Keith Olberman's page to include criticism from Bill O'reilly and the guy from Red Eye...because, you know, it's important to include criticism on any political figure's page from extremists on the other side who are prone to hateful diatribes.
Unsourced statement probably not true.
This statement in the lede is probably not true:
“Carlson has interviewed every Presidential candidate and President over the last two decades.”
There are scores of people who have been “presidential candidates” who you’ve never heard of. They filed paperwork to be the candidate of some irrelevant party in one state or another, and may never have gotten on the ballot. Did she interview Virgil Goode, the constitution party’s presidential candidate in 2012? Or Don Blankenship in 2020? Was she even working during the 2020 primaries? Did she interview Jay Inslee and Julian Castro and the two dozen other Democratic candidates?
More likely, Carlson inteviewed every major party candidate that won the party’s nomination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.210.138.121 (talk) 12:07, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
- I've removed the statement, partially because it hasn't been cited in ten months, and is very likely untrue as asserted above. BusterD (talk) 23:58, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
There are mountains of uncited assertions in this BLP
I've tagged many of them. If these assertions are not addressed with sourcing I expect to remove them. BusterD (talk) 00:08, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Why is there no mention about the scandal during her first job as a reporter??
Souce (already cited as #19 on Misplaced Pages): https://www.styleweekly.com/tv-8-beauty-queen-back-on-local-airwaves/
"But her tenure was tainted by a nationally publicized, tabloid-style scandal involving a reported affair with her married co-anchor, Kevin McGraw. While McGraw was let go in the wake of the scandal, Carlson left voluntarily to accept a job at WCPO-TV in Cincinnati. Before she left town, a few city luminaries threw her a glitzy, black-tie-optional send-off."
I grew up in Richmond And I can tell you that this was major news at the time. This is not in the source, she was busted providing oral services to McGraw in the WRIC parking lot. The big black tie send off was done in hopes that she would keep her mouth shut about the many local politicians that she was also having affairs with.
I find it odd that there's this great outpouring of sympathy for her when she it seems like Roger Ailes - who was lying, cheating human filth, I make no excuses for him - was just acting on her reputation. 71.251.236.155 (talk) 03:45, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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