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	* Would someone please start something about his role in assasination of Dr. Saami?--] 20:29, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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	:I think we should refrain from adding further allegations unless there is a somewhat accurate connection that can be established. Sources should be used for this matter. Thanks.--] 20:31, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
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	:: His role? I've heard a few accusing Rafsanjani of the same assasination. I think it's a more he did she did fingerpointing now, than anything with conclusive evidence.
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	There seems to be a very minor disagreement on whether he is "conservative hardliner" or a "fascist". Although I personally consider him a "conservative hardliner", I would like to get opinions of why he might be considered "fascist". Opinions are appreciated. Thanks.--] 20:53, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
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	:There has been people calling him and his supporters "fascist", yes, I've read these. But taking a look at ], no he is not nationalist or racist and does not support corporatism, but many people believe that he will implement a totalitarian regime (he has mentioned that a civil worker ''must'' believe in Islamic management or should be sacked), will limit political, social, and personal freedoms, and will implement modern propaganda techniques and heavy censorship. As for loyalty to a single leader, yes, he is supporting nation-wide loyalty to the Supreme Leader. He is also believed to be fundamentalist. ] 21:23, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
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	::Hmmm. Yes I agree, by definition that does not make him fascist. People usually have different POV and what they believe will happen. So although some people think he will involve some of the tenets of fascism, I don't think that has been proven yet, so he shouldn't be called fascist. Thanks for your response. --] 21:29, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

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	:: Bush emphasizes the importance of maintaining Christian values in his speeches all the time; in some other speeches he directly refers to Christianity. Many seem to think that he is "involved some of the tenets of fascism"... I don't see any refrences to fascism in his article. looks again

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	Ain't that a heavily biased point a view, now?v (noting the interesting word-choices that you have made...)

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	== Islamism and minor neutrality dispute ==
	I seriously believe that ] should be added. This is not a hint toward religion, but toward the point that he believes Islam is not a religious only, but a global solution for government, etc. Please read the Islamism article. ] 21:40, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

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	:The problem is the fact that it is a widely controversial term which can have many different meanings for different people especially here in the west. This might give the wrong impression of who he really is. I think we should keep the conservative hardliner label for him and let the viewer decide whether he truly is of "Islamist" principles or not.--] 22:20, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

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	::After reading lots of what is said on his campaign website, I really believe that Ahmadinezhad considers himself an ] and that this is not POB. I also don't agree that "Islamism" is a controversial term. Please check the ] article to see that there is no mention of controvesy in usage or meaning there. Also, check ] to see that Islamist is not listed there. I consider not mentioning his self-described Islamism non-NPOV. If you think Islamism is not descriptive, add explanations instead of removing good descriptions. ] 02:10, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

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	:::Yo, hold on a second, man. There is no need for the POV tag. If this is so much a concern to you then I will insert that little phrase into the article. I didn't think that you were so much concerned about my slight rewording in order to avoid controversy. But if you are that concerned then no problem, I will insert that accordingly. Thanks.--] 02:16, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

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	::::: Lay off the "isms" A lot of leaders believe religion is the "global solution for government" or at least that can be inferred from their speeches and unless your going to take the same appproach with everybody else-- (which reflects your non_NPOV) please lay off the ism.

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	Islamism... such a ambiguous (read:Newspeak) term for Wiki to be using, don't you think?

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	== Zpelling ==
	Maybe Ahmadinejad would be better. -]\|] 07:12, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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	: I completely agree with SV. Please note that all the major news agencies and news websites use the form "Ahmadinejad." Just check the Google results: (202,000), (584) -] 25 Jun 2005

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	:: Ahmadinejad is right... the "J" does not take a zh sound. It's J.. like jar, joke ]

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			== Conspiracy Theorist ==

			Is he more of a conspiracy theorist for suggesting that the US and Israeli governments are involved in 9/11 than the US and Israeli governments themselves for their '''highly''' disputed version of what happened? I don't think so. Shouldn't be in the conspiracy theorist category anymore than officials from US or Israeli governments. — ] (]) 23:54, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
			:*He's a holocaust denier. ] (]) 04:39, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
			::No the fuck he isn't. Also, given that he's never spoken a word of English, are you stating here and now that you speak Farsi? ] (]) 01:38, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

			== Insufficiently sourced reports of arrest ==

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			:On 6 January, 2018, '']'' and '']'', both citing '']'', reported that Ahmadinejad had been arrested after expressing support for the protesters in a speech.<ref>{{cite web \|url= https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-ex-iranian-president-ahmadinejad-arrested-for-inciting-unrest/ \|title= Report: Ex-Iranian president Ahmadinejad arrested for inciting unrest \|author= Staff \|date= 6 January 2018 \|work= ] \|accessdate= 7 January 2018 }}</ref><ref name="IBTimesBFearnow">{{cite web \|url= http://www.ibtimes.com/who-mahmoud-ahmadinejad-former-iran-leader-arrested-speech-report-says-2638071 \|title= Who Is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Former Iran Leader Arrested For Speech, Report Says \|author= Benjamin Fearnow \|date= 6 January 2018 \|work= ] \|accessdate= 7 January 2018 }}</ref>

			Such a claim should be in the body, and then summarised in the lede.
			The quoted sources do not really provide the sources, merely "The Times of Israel could not independently confirm the report." and the IBT article links to which has text that google translates to:

			:Al Quds Al Arabi learned from reliable sources in Tehran that the authorities ordered the arrest of former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad during his visit to the city of Shiraz and that the arrest was made with the approval of Supreme Leader Seyed Ali Khamenei after his remarks in Bushehr Described as inciting unrest.

			:It was learned that the authorities intended to impose house arrest on him.
			"ordering the arrest" is not the same as "arrested" in my opinion.
			Perhaps we should wait until more reliable news sources, such as Reuters or the BBC?
			-] (]) 03:36, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

			Update: I've removed the so far uncorroborated claims of arrest, as nothing has been mentioned by Reuters, BBC, Associated Press and Washington Post. You can monitor Reuters breaking news in case news does emerge. -] (]) 05:07, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

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			There seems to be some disagreement on the spelling of this fellow's name, though clearly consensus seems to favour the former. Not sure what the paradigm is on transliterated names, but I've removed the "Ahmedinejads" that appear within the article for consistency's sake. ] (]) 03:05, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

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Conspiracy Theorist

Is he more of a conspiracy theorist for suggesting that the US and Israeli governments are involved in 9/11 than the US and Israeli governments themselves for their highly disputed version of what happened? I don't think so. Shouldn't be in the conspiracy theorist category anymore than officials from US or Israeli governments. — Wisdomtooth32 (talk) 23:54, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

He's a holocaust denier. Niteshift36 (talk) 04:39, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

No the fuck he isn't. Also, given that he's never spoken a word of English, are you stating here and now that you speak Farsi? 174.115.100.93 (talk) 01:38, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Insufficiently sourced reports of arrest

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On 6 January, 2018, The Times of Israel and The International Business Times, both citing Al-Quds Al-Arabi, reported that Ahmadinejad had been arrested after expressing support for the protesters in a speech.

Such a claim should be in the body, and then summarised in the lede. The quoted sources do not really provide the sources, merely "The Times of Israel could not independently confirm the report." and the IBT article links to this Arabic newspaper which has text that google translates to:

Al Quds Al Arabi learned from reliable sources in Tehran that the authorities ordered the arrest of former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad during his visit to the city of Shiraz and that the arrest was made with the approval of Supreme Leader Seyed Ali Khamenei after his remarks in Bushehr Described as inciting unrest.

It was learned that the authorities intended to impose house arrest on him.

"ordering the arrest" is not the same as "arrested" in my opinion. Perhaps we should wait until more reliable news sources, such as Reuters or the BBC? -84user (talk) 03:36, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Update: I've removed the so far uncorroborated claims of arrest, as nothing has been mentioned by Reuters, BBC, Associated Press and Washington Post. You can monitor Reuters breaking news here in case news does emerge. -84user (talk) 05:07, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

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Staff (6 January 2018). "Report: Ex-Iranian president Ahmadinejad arrested for inciting unrest". The Times of Israel. Retrieved 7 January 2018.
Benjamin Fearnow (6 January 2018). "Who Is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Former Iran Leader Arrested For Speech, Report Says". International Business Times. Retrieved 7 January 2018.

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Ahmadinejad or Ahmedinejad?

There seems to be some disagreement on the spelling of this fellow's name, though clearly consensus seems to favour the former. Not sure what the paradigm is on transliterated names, but I've removed the "Ahmedinejads" that appear within the article for consistency's sake. Spongebubby (talk) 03:05, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

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