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| == Dhimmi communities incomplete == | |||
| ] This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available ]. Student editor(s): ]. | |||
| There's sections to early Christian and Jewish communities in the Levant and Hindu communities in India (Buddhists aren't really covered), but where's the data on Christians in North Africa and Spain, Zoroastrians which were a major religious group in the early caliphates, Jains, African polytheistic religions and the old Arab polytheist religion? ] (]) 01:06, 19 December 2019 (UTC) | |||
| == Hindus and Buddhists section == | |||
| This section doesn't seem to be directly connected to the topic. There does not seem to be any discussion of Hindu or Buddhist Dhimmi communities (though there are references to them elsewhere in the article) and infact the term is not even used once.] (]) 02:56, 19 June 2020 (UTC) | |||
| {{small|Above undated message substituted from ] by ] (]) 19:25, 16 January 2022 (UTC)}} | |||
| == Unsourced claims of second-class status == | == Unsourced claims of second-class status == | ||
| I placed the unreliable source and citation needed tags on the claims of second class status in this argument months ago and since there has been no effort to add sources I am now leaning towards deletion. The only source provided is a link to a much less reputable wiki page, which is not a scholarly source. If you want to source what that page says you have to follow the sources from that page and link those. You cannot just cite an ideologically biased wiki page as definitive evidence on a historical topic. Those who wish to keep the references to supposed second-class status would do well to add a real source before it is deleted. ] (]) 16:46, 7 October 2021 (UTC) | I placed the unreliable source and citation needed tags on the claims of second class status in this argument months ago and since there has been no effort to add sources I am now leaning towards deletion. The only source provided is a link to a much less reputable wiki page, which is not a scholarly source. If you want to source what that page says you have to follow the sources from that page and link those. You cannot just cite an ideologically biased wiki page as definitive evidence on a historical topic. Those who wish to keep the references to supposed second-class status would do well to add a real source before it is deleted. ] (]) 16:46, 7 October 2021 (UTC) | ||
| :https://nyupress.org/9781479889457/the-sword-of-ambition/ | |||
| == Edits by IP == | |||
| :Full of arguments why Jews and Christians need to be firmly kept in second class status. | |||
| :"The dimmis must not be permitted to call themselves by Muslim names, being addressed as 'Abu I-Hasan, 'Ab l-Husayn; 'Abu 'Ali,' 'Abu Tahir,' and the like. Likewise, we must bar them from using the honorific title of Shaykh, for the dignity of Islam and the pride of the faith flatly forbid that they should do this. They must be compelled to wear their distinguishing belts and clasp them about their waists in plain view. Let the rider take care not to hide his distinguishing belt by sitting on it. They must not be permitted to ride any kind of horse or mule. Let them not pass by the tombs of Muslims by day or by night. They must not be permitted caparisoned mounts. Let the caskets of their dead-open, not closed -be pulled along the ground by ropes of palm fiber. They must be forbidden to carry their caskets on their shoulders. Let them instead be dragged through the dust." The last part of the document reads: "Let them be forbidden to make their tombs white." ] (]) 20:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == ] has an ]== | |||
| <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">]</div>''']''' has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the ''']'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you. ] (]) 16:18, 13 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
| This edit by IP is problematic. It adds to the lead something that is not covered in the body. The lead is for summarizing, not adding new information. It also doesn't capture the nuance in the sources. | |||
| == The first paragraph of this section is misleading. == | |||
| Finally, linking "non-Muslim" to ] is controversial at best.''']''' <sub>]</sub> 15:51, 29 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
| By way of rebuttal, consider this paragraph from a 14 century Muslim bureaucrat in Egypt (https://nyupress.org/9781479889457/the-sword-of-ambition/ ) | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2021 == | |||
| ''"The dimmis must not be permitted to call themselves by Muslim names, being addressed as 'Abu I-Hasan, 'Abu 'Ali,' 'Abu Tahir,' and the like. Likewise, we must bar them from using the honorific title of Shaykh, for the dignity of Islam and the pride of the faith flatly forbid that they should do this. They must be compelled to wear their distinguishing belts and clasp them about their waists in plain view. Let the rider take care not to hide his distinguishing belt by sitting on it. They must not be permitted to ride any kind of horse or mule. Let them not pass by the tombs of 'Muslims by day or by night. They must not be permitted caparisoned mounts. Let the caskets of their dead-open, not closed -be pulled along the ground by ropes of palm fiber.They must be forbidden to carry their caskets on their shoulders. Let them instead be dragged through the dust." The last part of the document reads:'Let them be forbidden to make their tombs white.' | |||
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| ] (]) 19:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| {{U|RegentsPark}}, just like you found reliable sources for the word, "unbelievers" and linked that word to the ] article in the ] article, I request you to do the same here, that is, link the first occurrence of the word, "non-Muslim" to the ] article. I am unable to read what your sources say in the ] article. Thank you very much. ] (]) 16:50, 7 November 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :Anyone can do so. Thanks in advance. | |||
| ::I could find , , and online. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:09, 7 November 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :::{{U|RegentsPark}} used these sources in the ] article:- | |||
| :::Peters, Rudolph; Cook, David (2014). "Jihād". The Oxford Encyclopedia of Islam and Politics. Oxford: Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/acref:oiso/9780199739356.001.0001. ISBN 9780199739356. Archived from the original on 23 January 2017. Retrieved 24 January 2017. | |||
| :::Tyan, E. (1965). "D̲j̲ihād". In Bosworth, C. E.; van Donzel, E. J.; Heinrichs, W. P.; Lewis, B.; Pellat, Ch.; Schacht, J. (eds.). Encyclopaedia of Islam, Second Edition. 2. Leiden: Brill Publishers. doi:10.1163/1573-3912_islam_COM_0189. ISBN 978-90-04-16121-4. | |||
| ::::The term ] and non-Muslims are not always interchangeable and many Muslims feel it is somewhat of a slur.''']''' <sub>]</sub> 17:26, 7 November 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :::::If I'm right, Misplaced Pages is based on reliable sources and not what Muslims feel. | |||
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 19:25, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Unsourced claims of second-class status
I placed the unreliable source and citation needed tags on the claims of second class status in this argument months ago and since there has been no effort to add sources I am now leaning towards deletion. The only source provided is a link to a much less reputable wiki page, which is not a scholarly source. If you want to source what that page says you have to follow the sources from that page and link those. You cannot just cite an ideologically biased wiki page as definitive evidence on a historical topic. Those who wish to keep the references to supposed second-class status would do well to add a real source before it is deleted. Puma6374 (talk) 16:46, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- https://nyupress.org/9781479889457/the-sword-of-ambition/
- Full of arguments why Jews and Christians need to be firmly kept in second class status.
- "The dimmis must not be permitted to call themselves by Muslim names, being addressed as 'Abu I-Hasan, 'Ab l-Husayn; 'Abu 'Ali,' 'Abu Tahir,' and the like. Likewise, we must bar them from using the honorific title of Shaykh, for the dignity of Islam and the pride of the faith flatly forbid that they should do this. They must be compelled to wear their distinguishing belts and clasp them about their waists in plain view. Let the rider take care not to hide his distinguishing belt by sitting on it. They must not be permitted to ride any kind of horse or mule. Let them not pass by the tombs of Muslims by day or by night. They must not be permitted caparisoned mounts. Let the caskets of their dead-open, not closed -be pulled along the ground by ropes of palm fiber. They must be forbidden to carry their caskets on their shoulders. Let them instead be dragged through the dust." The last part of the document reads: "Let them be forbidden to make their tombs white." Victoryodaiken (talk) 20:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Timeline of antisemitism has an RfC
Timeline of antisemitism has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. patsw (talk) 16:18, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
The first paragraph of this section is misleading.
By way of rebuttal, consider this paragraph from a 14 century Muslim bureaucrat in Egypt (https://nyupress.org/9781479889457/the-sword-of-ambition/ )
"The dimmis must not be permitted to call themselves by Muslim names, being addressed as 'Abu I-Hasan, 'Abu 'Ali,' 'Abu Tahir,' and the like. Likewise, we must bar them from using the honorific title of Shaykh, for the dignity of Islam and the pride of the faith flatly forbid that they should do this. They must be compelled to wear their distinguishing belts and clasp them about their waists in plain view. Let the rider take care not to hide his distinguishing belt by sitting on it. They must not be permitted to ride any kind of horse or mule. Let them not pass by the tombs of 'Muslims by day or by night. They must not be permitted caparisoned mounts. Let the caskets of their dead-open, not closed -be pulled along the ground by ropes of palm fiber.They must be forbidden to carry their caskets on their shoulders. Let them instead be dragged through the dust." The last part of the document reads:'Let them be forbidden to make their tombs white.'
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