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What picture should be use for the infobox. We have the current one from 2011 but User:Philmason thunderf00t uploaded File:PHIL.jpg from 2003 as the picture. I am starting the discussion here to decide which one should be used. Personally I think the 2011 one is a better fit as its a more neutral setting. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Im a little confused by all this. The original reason for the revert by CofE was 'conflict of interest'.

When I mentioned that providing my own photo was hardly a conflict of interest, the goal posts move to 'but the bad image we have deliberately chosen to be unflattering from a screengrab of video in 2011 is better because its more recent'. The ONLY way the current image could be obtained is by watching the 2011 video and taking an unflattering screenshot. It is hard to call this 'neutral'

These sound like moving goal posts from someone who is not arguing/ editing in good faith.

The article covers several subjects of my phd. The photo should maybe reflect this rather than a poor picture of me on vacation in 2011. Philmason thunderf00t (talk) 08:57, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Not sure about the conflict of interest and we do tend to respect the wishes of the subject in biographies of living people. Per WP:BLPIMAGE, it could be out of context if it is a holiday screenshot and disparaging if purposely taken from a bad sequence in the video. I will restore the phd photo for now and can discuss alternatives here. We can choose from three photos I see in c:Category:Phil Mason. I find the phd photo File:PHIL.jpg to be a little hard to decipher the face, not really an ideal portrait, but it is excellent quality overall. The gown is distracting but I guess it really shouts phd. file:PhilMason2011.png makes it easier to identify the subject, but its quality has been questioned by the subject (personally I think it looks fine but I've never seen him before). It may be highly relevant though as I believe it is a screenshot from a Youtube video and Youtube is a major thing the subject is known for. But the subject says it is them on vacation, so relevance is low. About File:Thunderf00t.jpg I don't know how useful it is, seems to be a holiday pic. Seems to me that the best option would be a screenshot of a Youtube video where the subject is doing the thing they are famous on Youtube for, talking about solar panel roads for example. That screenshot should be a great portrait, not a poor representation. Also we could consider running with two photos. Commander Keane (talk) 09:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Commander Keane: for the neutral opinion. I do agree I think that a screenshot from one of his Youtube videos would probably be best as I too think the robe picture is a bit distracting for the infobox pic (I have to admit, I honestly thought it was a Carolean style portrait at first glance). I have no issue with it being included in the body of the article for his academic career as well as a separate infobox image from his Youtube career as I would say that is probably what he's better known for. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 18:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

For a youtuber who in spite of very limited knowledge mansplains topics of which he is demonstrably ignorant I find the both pompous and clownish portrait to be just perfect. With this comment I will self-impose a topic ban on this biography and let myself out. Lklundin (talk) 18:55, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

@Commander Keane i think the original picture was exactly that! something representative (years ago now). I dont know who 'updated' the photo to something obviously deliberately bad, but I figured let the trolls have their fun! I certainly never expected anyone to defend the trolling picture as 'neutral'

@The C of E God Save the King! if you want a picture from my youtube, almost all of my stuff is off camera, so why not just use my avatar? That would actually be more representative of youtube.

else you can use the image from my google scholar account, seems more fitting given half the article is about my scholarly work. I dont find it distracting at all.

https://scholar.google.cz/citations?user=NubQZmsAAAAJ&hl=en&citsig=ADIE8skU9OgS7nUYF54fA5AbG-LP Philmason thunderf00t (talk) 19:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I would agree as well. While the two pictures have their ups and downs, we should consider creatinh a new image which represents the subject doing what they are most well known for (YT), with better qualities and perhaps a better expression, as file:PhilMason2011.png may fall under a "situation where the subject did not expect to be photographed." Yes I am a nerd -XCBRO172 (How could you tell?) 07:51, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

@XCBRO172: I think we'll need to look for any of his other videos that are released under CC (wasn't the series he did about VenomFangX released under CC?), since free alternatives exist I don't think we can make a Fair Use case for just screenshotting any one. This Flickr one may have been good if it weren't copyrighted. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 14:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Although I didn't originally think of copyright, we should definitely choose something under CC. I'm not an expert on Thunderf00t's videos so I can't really help beyond here except for my opinion. Yes I am a nerd -XCBRO172 (How could you tell?) 15:23, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

As someone who just had this page watchlisted checking for possible vandalism, I don't see anything wrong with the graduation photo. And Philmason thunderf00t, while we have you, do you see anything that is factually inaccurate about the article's contents? If so, best to post here rather than edit it directly, and we can try to investigate and amend. ChessFiends (talk) 21:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

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