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It looks like you've been very active in the last few days! I have one request: could you please provide your reference(s) for ]? Cheers, ] 05:57, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
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Hi, I've replied on my own talk page. ] 00:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


Hi Dad, sorry to be dim. I thought this might be the only way to leave messages, but it seemed rather rude somehow! Have you seen the page on ]? looks rather sparse on the details of the great man. Perhaps you'd like to have a go? ] 16:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


==Spelling==


Thank you for clearing up that rule of spelling variations for me. I was unaware that such a rule existed. However, I'm now curious as to why you changed "favor" to "favour" in the first place if, as you explained to me, such a change was unneeded. ] 17:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


== ] ==


Of course - feel free. Stub articles are only placeholders anyway, I feel; "here is a couple of lines summarising the article that will eventually replace it". Good luck! (Incidentally, I note you created ]; the standard form for naming these is ], and I've moved the article. The link you had for ] went to an article on some warrior caste somewhere...) ] | ] | 21:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


*I've given it a copyedit; some explanations. You don't need to link to the article itself inside the article; this just gets confusing for editors. The introduction should be in a broadly standard form ("X" is/was a "Y" of "Z"), before moving onto the history. Ship names should be, if possible, italicised - you can do this with links like <nowiki>]</nowiki>. Otherwise, looks good to me. ] | ] | 10:38, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


:Sure - no need to ask permission. (If you want to doing some from scratch, we've almost none on the various ]s, & they're weird enough they seem to deserve articles!)... ] | ] | 18:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


== HMS Royal Oak ==


You are more than welcome to rewrite the article, and thank you very much for asking. Have a nice day and happy wiki'ing! ] 03:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


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==HMS Swiftsure (1870)==


Hello, Tony!


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Having chanced upon your recent post on ] talk page, I thought you might appreciate being informed of the existence of the ] stub. This item has a curious history; when I came across it a few weeks ago, I discovered that the ship described in it was an entirely different vessel of the same name, lanched in 1903. I therefore created a new article and copied the existing text across. From what you told Johann Wolfgang, the 1870 ship should be right up your street.


Can I also take the opportunity to thank you for taking up the baton for ironclads and "pre-Dreadnoughts". Coverage of these fascinating ships is sparse in Misplaced Pages (I would like to work on them, but I don't have the expertise). I have added this page to my watchlist.


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It's always hard to tell quite when an old photograph is in copyright and when it isn't; UK law is very confusing in this regard, and there's no reliable rule as to whether or not republishing something affects it.


The US Naval Historical Center has an online gallery of public-domain images; most of these are of course American, but there's a few foreign ships in there. has the British ones, which offhand seems to include about half-a-dozen ships of the period. If you upload any of these, mark them as {{tl|PD-USGov-Military-Navy-NHC}}.


The Imperial War Museum has , but the copyright status varies. Per , any of them listed as "Crown copyright" and dated to before 1955 can be freely reused. If you upload any of these, mark them as {{tl|PD-BritishGov}}. Not all of them have digital images attatched, either.


Those are the first two web sources that spring to mind - if you have any old books with images, it may well be legal to scan these, depending on the details. Let me know if you have any trouble uploading images. ] | ] | 19:30, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


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== Prince Albert == == Sad news ==
Anthony Bradbury passed away peacefully on 1st January 2024. ''Requiescat in pace''. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml"> ]] </span> 09:23, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
:This is...upsetting to read, to say the least. Anthony Bradbury was my RfA nominator almost 17 years ago. He and I messaged over the years and I have him on Facebook. I'm saddened to hear that we've lost such a kind and honorable man from the world and Misplaced Pages. I know I will miss him. ], thank you for sharing this so the community knows and can remember Tony. ] 11:40, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
::RIP – ] (''']''') 13:12, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
::Sad news, Tony is a name I remember well from when I was learning the ropes here all those years ago. A valuable contributor lost. RIP. – ] (] / ]) ] 14:32, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
::Tony passed his RfA just days after me, and together with editors like you, Acalamari, was a huge part in the progression of Misplaced Pages in the relatively early days. His name was one of those that you would see doing so much to help and mentor new editors, solve disputes and above all, create some very important content. His death, which will create an enormous void for his family and friends, also creates an enormous empty space here on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 20:05, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*Rest in peace, Tony, and thank you for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. Best wishes to his family and loved ones. ] (]) 15:24, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*RIP, I didn't know him well at all, but it's sad to lose a prolific editor and an admin. It seems he was a steady hand here for many years, and for that he deserves our thanks. ] (]) 16:41, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*RIP. ] <sup>''(])''</sup> 17:35, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*RIP, and thank you very much for your service to the project, Tony. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 12:17, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*Rest in Peace Tony. Your service to the project was invaluable. ]] 14:26, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*I pray to God to give peace to his soul.~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">]<nowiki>|</nowiki>]</span> 14:58, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*Very saddening to hear this, he was a great admin. My thoughts and prayers are sent to his family. ] (] - ]) 22:30, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
*I remember Anthony Bradbury’s name well from when I first started editing here, and I am shocked and saddened to hear of his passing. We’ve not only lost a valuable contributor, but also a kind human being. The project will feel different without him, and he will certainly be missed. Rest in peace, Tony. :-( ]<sup>]</sup> 05:00, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
:RIP. ] <sup>'']'' &#124; '']''</sup> 10:25, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*Rest in peace, Anthony. You will be missed. ] (]) 22:23, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
*Very sorry to hear this. Condolences to family and friends. A very solid and useful figure on WP over many years. ] (]) 00:07, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*''' Comment '''- Rest in peace Anthony! --] (]) 00:14, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
*Wow. Rest in peace; your contributions will be dearly missed. ]]] 06:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
* Sad to hear this. I salute your life and your work on Misplaced Pages. RIP. --] (]) 12:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
* Requiescat in pace. Fare thee well, long time co-editor and -admin. ] (]) 14:51, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
* RIP. —— ''']'''<sub>（''']'''）</sub> 15:30, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
* A name I recognise from CSD work: rest in peace Tony, we are poorer without you. ]<sup class="nowrap">&nbsp;&#91;]&#93;</sup> 18:45, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
*Oh my God, ''Anthony.'' A name that embodied wisdom from the old guard. It's sad to think that he won't be around anymore, but I am grateful for his many years of service. Rest in peace, Anthony. You have more than earned it. ] ] 01:59, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*So sad to read about this in the Signpost. It seems like we have lost a lot of the old guard over the past year. You will be missed, Anthony. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 19:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
*That's tragic, I am very sorry to hear that. ] (]) 01:42, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
*I'm sorry to hear of your passing, ]. You were always great to talk to and work with on this project. You will be missed... ]<sup><small><b>] ]</b></small></sup> 02:41, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*Very, very sorry to hear this. ] (]) 18:34, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*Rest in peace Anthony. You will be missed by the Misplaced Pages community. <span style="background-color: blue; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">] ]</span> 18:34, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*Memory eternal. -] (]) 19:10, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*I had numerous contacts with Tony over the years, the earliest one that I can find now dating from June 2010. Both in terms of what I remember and in terms of what I have seen now, checking back over our history to refresh my memory, I believe that I always found him constructive, courteous, friendly, and reasonable. He was also a solid and reliable editor and administrator. Of course I will miss him. ] (]) 21:50, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
*Rest In Peace. <sup>Thanks,</sup>] ] 02:15, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
*Rest in peace, {{u|Anthony Bradbury}}, and thank you for all the time you invested into this project. ] ] (]) 23:26, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
*I just wanted to stop by to also echo my condolences to Anthony's family and friends. Our paths didn't cross much, but I definitely remember Anthony positively from seeing him around the 'pedia. He will be missed by us here, but do know that his '']'' edits live on as a lasting legacy helping to improve the project. Rest easy, Anthony. We'll take it from here. --] <sup>]</sup> 04:40, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
*Rest in peace. -'''''] (])''''' 00:48, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
* Vale, Anthony, one of the Good People who built this place. ''']''' <small>(] - ])</small> 11:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
* Rest in peace, Tony, and thank you for all of your hard work here. My sympathies go out to Tony's family. --] <span style="color:red">🍁</span> (]) 18:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


== Misplaced Pages obituary ==
Come to think of it, I'm not sure why I linked Victoria there but didn't link through to Albert... fixed now, anyway. Thanks for putting these articles up - it's interesting reading, and nice to see decent content going up. ] | ] | 23:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


Anthony's Misplaced Pages obituary in the deceased Wikipedians subpages can be found ]. Feel free to contribute to it if you feel so inclined. ] (]) 17:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
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::Fixed the link. ] <sup><span style="color:#009933">(he/him) •</span> ]</sup> 17:21, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


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== Lorenzo == == RIP ==

Hi Anthony! You commented on the link that I removed from the ] page. Yes, I still think it served no purpose. Even if the English translator decided to mention Lorenzo's name in the title of the book, of course the book is not really about him but the city. If Machiavelli's views on the Medici are important, one could instead expand the article itself and summarize them in a few words. In fact I could do this myself. But it should be noted that Machiavelli's views on Lorenzo may tell us more about Machiavelli than they tell us about Lorenzo.

However, if you think that the link ought to be restored, I think that at the very least it should be changed to point to the chapter of the book in which Machiavelli actually talks about Lorenzo. ] 08:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

== Ettiquette ==

For metric/imperial - ] boils down to "using either is no big deal". Whilst the numbers were never used in the period, it is more useful to many readers (especially Europeans) to give a size in metres - it should be given as a converted figure, in brackets, since it's not the original source, but there's no harm in leaving it in if it's not excessive.

(This makes more sense when you consider, say, articles on classical antiquity - our articles would be very confusing for the reader if we avoided putting (X miles) after saying that something was however many stadia long.)

Unless the converted figures are wrong or just oddly misleading (like putting a kg weight after "24-lb gun"), it's probably considered rude to revert. Might be best to check they're not spuriously accurate, too (like giving a two-decimal-point conversion of a rounded figure). ] | ] | 20:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

== Dimensions ==

You left this message on my talk page, but it is not related to an edit I made -- probably an edit just befor or just after one of mine !! --] 21:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
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== Images ==

Save a copy of the image to your machine, then follow the instructions at ]. Remember to add a description when you upload the file (in case anyone stumbles across the image by accident and gets confused), and to add a tag as mentioned above. ] | ] | 19:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

is this better!!] 11:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

== ] ==

Thank you for the article about the ]. Could you please add a reference to it, so that people who are interested in the topic could see where to go for further information? Also, I noticed that you used the spelling "foreward". Is this a nautical usage, or should it be "forward" instead? ] 23:56, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

== Useful books ==
Anthony,
I've just been enjoying some of your recent articles. I see your are mostly working from the two standard sources, Conway’s and Parkes . Can I recommend a couple of other useful books to back them up?
* DK Brown “Warrior to Dreadnought: Warship Development 1860-1905”. Caxton Editions 2003. ISBN 1-84067-5292. An excellent study by the world’s expert, with a huge amount of previously unpublished information.
* EHH Archibald ''The Fighting Ship in the Royal Navy 1897-1984'' (Blandford, 1984), ISBN 0-71371-3488. Although not 100% reliable this remains a rich source of information and an excellent read. Its best feature are the hull profiles, which show the underwater hull; absurdly, the Conway’s drawings are cut off at the waterline.

Both these books appear to be out of print, but you should be able to get them from Amazon
and (if these links don’t work, a Google search should do the trick).

Hope this is useful. Regards, ] 22:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

:John: thank you for your suggestion, which I shall follow through on. As I get to ships of a later period, I shall also start quoting Jane, but he does not quite go back far enough.--] 22:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

::Anthony: You may already be aware of this, but Jane's should be used with caution. The editors were largely dependent on information released at the time by the navies which owned the ships, and this was sometimes misleading (often deliberately). For example, no navy would willingly advertise the fact that its ships were breaking treaty limits! In addition, some navies (especially Japan and the USSR) were secretive as a matter of course. Figures for speeds are particularly suspect; in many navies (notably Italy), prodigious speeds were obtained on trials by such expedients as pre-cleaning the coal, embarking only enough fuel to complete the trial and disembarking the ammunition! For factual accuracy, Conway's will be more reliable.

::On the other hand, the very fact that Jane's presents a contemporary view, without hindsight, gives it a value of its own (editions prior to 1941 famously say of ''Hood'' that "her protection is extremely comprehensive").

::Regards, ] 15:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

::PS This page is on my watchlist, so you can reply here if you prefer.

John: I did, of course know that Jane was dependent on data provided by the naval services of the period; as witness ''Bismark'' at 35,000 tons, ''Graf Spee'' at 10,000 tons, etc. Possibly there was more honesty in the 19th century; in any case, one tries to use as many sources as possible and separate fact fron fiction.

==HMS Royal Oak==

The article looks substantially better than the one I had written. Very nice. Keep up the good work. If you ever need help, information, etc, please feel free to ask. Have a nice day! ] 14:04, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

:Your welcome. Happy Wiki'ing.
==Cereberes class==
Appreciate the immediate attention to my concern. I look foward to seeing the results. One of my major interests is ships. Cheers ] 21:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
AB: Thanks for the interest, again, although my knowledge is a little more aimed at ships of the USN, since I grew up in the literal shadow of the USN in Virginia Beach. I've got some books at home, and when I get there, I'll be sure to add some on ships. My question about the Cerebus class and the Monitor is the story of how the RN managed to get these secrets from the USN. Given the lukewarm support that the UK had given towards the Confederacy and the Fenian Uprising in Canada, I doubt the US govt. and HM Government were on speaking terms. If you knew anything about that, I'm sure that we could collaborate in some way. Cheers ] 22:30, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

== M&c ==

Would you like to look at, and improve, the article called M&c comics?--] 23:35, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


Rest in peace pal, we will miss you ] (]) 15:17, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
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== A kitten for you... ==
Thanks. I discovered that piece of trivia while working on some of the United States ships' history. ] 15:50, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


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i am so sorry for your loss, here's a kitten for you to remember in the future...


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The article on ] looks rather sparse, despite the link. By the way, if you're bored, check out ]. ] 04:19, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
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Sad news

Anthony Bradbury passed away peacefully on 1st January 2024. Requiescat in pace. Davidelit (Talk) 09:23, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

This is...upsetting to read, to say the least. Anthony Bradbury was my RfA nominator almost 17 years ago. He and I messaged over the years and I have him on Facebook. I'm saddened to hear that we've lost such a kind and honorable man from the world and Misplaced Pages. I know I will miss him. Davidelit, thank you for sharing this so the community knows and can remember Tony. Acalamari 11:40, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
RIP – DreamRimmer (talk) 13:12, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Sad news, Tony is a name I remember well from when I was learning the ropes here all those years ago. A valuable contributor lost. RIP. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 14:32, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Tony passed his RfA just days after me, and together with editors like you, Acalamari, was a huge part in the progression of Misplaced Pages in the relatively early days. His name was one of those that you would see doing so much to help and mentor new editors, solve disputes and above all, create some very important content. His death, which will create an enormous void for his family and friends, also creates an enormous empty space here on Misplaced Pages. Dr Nick Birse (talk) 20:05, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
RIP. Dreamy Jazz 10:25, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages obituary

Anthony's Misplaced Pages obituary in the deceased Wikipedians subpages can be found here. Feel free to contribute to it if you feel so inclined. Graham87 (talk) 17:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Fixed the link. Harrias 17:21, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks for your service. You will be missed. Rest in peace, Tony. Many people miss you. - The Master of Hedgehogs 20:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

RIP

Rest in peace pal, we will miss you Sebbers10 (talk) 15:17, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

A kitten for you...

i am so sorry for your loss, here's a kitten for you to remember in the future...

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