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== So far, "Revolution" has not yet happened ==
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To constitute '']'', a government must change. Lately, we'll see a separate article about "Umbrella Revolution" as "]" has been since. The protests has nearly ended, even when Mong Kok protesters protest through mobile, so this should be a lesson for those who want to change the title. --] (]) 06:23, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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::"Revolution" in the modern sense has nothing innately to do with regime change. Regardless, you don't decide whether "revolution" is appropriate, RS do. However, I'm satisfied with the Umbrella Movement article. ] — ] 06:25, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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::: Which source is reliable? The press has used ''Revolution'' just to market its articles, not for good causes. --] (]) 06:30, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
::: As for who decides, per , an original research may be allowed in discussions, ''not'' articles. --] (]) 06:33, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
:::You don't get to determine whether the press cares about marketing articles or helping good causes. ] — ] 06:38, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
:::: You know what? Have it your way. I'm waiting for others' comments. Now if you'll excuse me... --] (]) 06:47, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::I don't have it any way. I'm not disputing that the title should be left alone. I'm disputing that the reason is because the use of "revolution", in this case, doesn't fit your particular definition of the word. ] — ] 06:54, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::I agree with the concensus that 'Umbrella Revolution' should not adopted as the title. However, this decision is based on ]. Your understanding and interpretation of the word ''revolution'' has no role in it; in other words, if ''Umbrella Revolution'' was deemed to be a more appropriate title per naming conventions, it should be used, despite the definition of ''revolution''. By the way, I believe we should retain the title ''Umbrella Revolution'' in the lede paragraph. --] (]) 01:50, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

== Police department ==

suggest to include section to discuss the action of Police, both positive and negative. ] (]) 02:18, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

== Second phase? ==

Why were not many readers aware of the second phase of protests this year? Why wasn't I told about this? --] (]) 06:20, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
::The new protests logically cannot be in this article, given that this article is titled "2014". I'd start a new article, if I were you, as this one is too long to be expanded. ] — ] 06:22, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
::: Unfortunately, I am not a great writer. I can create short biographies and write about fiction, but that's it. Can you create ] then? --] (]) 06:38, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
::::You are asking me to create a lot of articles, these days. ] — ] 06:50, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::I've made a stub, for you. ] — ] 07:01, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
This is no "second phase", it's an underwhelming march (by the protestors' own account) that Hong Kong gets every weekend (every month or so if we're talking one of comparable size). I'd argue it's not even notable enough for its own article, let alone being called the "2015 Hong Kong protests". ] (]) 09:15, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
::Quite possible. I only made it at Mr Ho's demand, as he is my lord and saviour. If there is an issue with the title, which there may well be, please take it to that talk page so it can be dealt with promptly. ] — ] 15:08, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

== Why is this article written in British English instead of Hong Kong English? ==


==2019 demonstrations==
This makes no sense. See {{tlx|Hong Kong English}}. British English and Hong Kong English mostly retain the same spellings, so little would be necessary to change in the article apart from replacing {{tlc|British English}} with {{tlc|Hong Kong English}}. I think there might be some more words in Hong Kong English not present in British English, but as I said, it appears that they mostly use the same spelling. ]&nbsp;] 19:51, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
:You're right, as far as I know, and in any case per ] it should be in Hong Kong English to begin with. I've gone ahead and changed it, if anyone has a problem feel free to revert. —''']''' <sup>]</sup> 17:04, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
:In fact looking at ] it looks like ] already tagged it as Hong Kong English, which was then removed as "unnecessary", and someone then later incorrectly tagged it as British English. I don't have the patience to look up the diff where that happened, but it doesn't seem to have been discussed, so I think this is really just a rectification reflecting the article as it already stands (Commonwealth English). —''']''' <sup>]</sup> 17:14, 14 February 2015 (UTC)


:Should there not be a reference to the current mass demonstrations in Hong Kong on this page?
== Requested move 14 February 2015 ==
:--] (]) 21:26, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
::This is a good suggestion, but I think most relevant editors are too busy with that right now. ] (]) 02:03, 30 November 2019 (UTC)


== Pre-screening of candidates? ==
{{requested move/dated|2014–15 Hong Kong protests}}


You mean an ] system. ] (]) 20:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
] → {{no redirect|2014–15 Hong Kong protests}} – I noticed edit by ] at ], and was wondering if it really makes sense to treat the 2015 protest as a separate thing. Since they are part of the same overall civil conflict should this article not be moved to ] and extended to cover more recent events? I note that the claim the protests ended on 15 December 2014 is not cited in the infobox. In the body of the article, we find that {{tq|"On 15 December, police cleared protesters and their camps at Causeway Bay with essentially no resistance, bringing the protests to an end"}}, which offers two citations, but the one I can view (the BBC one) doesn't say that the protests were brought to an end, merely that CY Leung claimed that they had been. —''']''' <sup>]</sup> 12:34, 14 February 2015 (UTC) — Quick amendment: just noticed the ] discussion above. Hopefully this can serve as a more thorough discussion. —''']''' <sup>]</sup> 12:36, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' – These protests ended in 2014. There was a definitive end point. The new protests are clearly a new round. This article is too long, anyway. ] — ] 15:36, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
**If the civil conflict has continued into 2015 then I think it should be included in this article, rather than treating the two things as separate just because they happen to fall on two sides of New Year's Day. Otherwise we have no page describing the civil conflict as such, since ] seems to be about a political configuration rather than a series of events. I'm not too invested either way, though, and I certainly take your point regarding the length of the article. —''']''' <sup>]</sup> 16:59, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - There are significant differences between the protests from organization, to reason, and even scale. ] ] 10:56, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Not significant per ]. ] (]) 19:04, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

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Edit Guide

Main pages: Talk:2014 Hong Kong protests and Talk:Occupy Central with Love and Peace

There are two pages related to the current (since 27 September) protest in Hong Kong, namely 2014 Hong Kong protests and Occupy Central with Love and Peace, causing some confusion as to where should a piece of information be added. Further to an earlier merge discussion, I hope this guide could allow a centralised discussion for editors of these pages.

Here are my thoughts:
Occupy Central with Love and Peace should contain information about:

  • the non-violent idea and movement, and
  • the advocacy group ("Occupy Central with Love" and Peace and the "OCLP Trio"), and
  • the preparation by the group

It should include the materials spanning from January 2013 to late September 2014, concluding with the announcement of the early launch occupation and the protests.

2014 Hong Kong protests (not led by the Trio although named "Occupy Central" by many media) should contain information about:

  • Sit-in protests immediately after the student strike
  • Annoucement of launch of "Occupy Central"
  • Suppression by the police
  • Sponanteous occupation of Admiralty, Causeway Bay and Mongkok

For example, the "International reaction" section of Occupy Central with Love and Peace should be taken off and moved to 2014 Hong Kong protests, since the international communities were responding the protest itself instead of the preparation.

Please share your thoughts here so that we can improve both articles.--Jabo-er (talk) 17:00, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

agreed. Lasersharp (talk) 17:12, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

"Suppression by the police"? Right on que - talk about Protesting by Numbers? For such over-reaction is what stage-managed revolts need to undermine the powers-that-be. "Occupy Central with love and Peace"? Stand by MSM stories of state-led outrages against 'freedom-loving' protesters. So far, unlike Syria, the Color Revolt is going to plan.

84.13.14.146 (talk) 11:46, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

2019 demonstrations

Should there not be a reference to the current mass demonstrations in Hong Kong on this page?
--2019OutlaweD (talk) 21:26, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
This is a good suggestion, but I think most relevant editors are too busy with that right now. Yny501 (talk) 02:03, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Pre-screening of candidates?

You mean an electoral college system. CaribDigita (talk) 20:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

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