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David Irving has been listed as one of the Social sciences and society good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones Date Process Result January 30, 2005 Featured article candidate Not promoted August 7, 2005 Featured article candidate Not promoted November 4, 2010 Peer review Reviewed February 12, 2011 Good article nominee Listed August 3, 2011 Good article reassessment Kept A fact from this article was featured on Misplaced Pages's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on March 24, 2017. Current status: Good article

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This article has been mentioned by multiple media organizations: Cahal Milmo and Aline Nassif (25 April 2008). "Legal victory for B&B owner who evicted Irving for being too moody". The Independent. Cnaan Liphsiz (5 May 2009). "Misplaced Pages editors: Coverage of Israel 'problematic'". Ha'aretz.

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Section sizes Section size for David Irving (35 sections) Section name Byte count Section total (Top) 16,060 16,060 Early life 3,299 3,299 Student years 2,000 5,513 Carnival Times article 3,513 3,513 The Destruction of Dresden 5,470 6,073 1963 burglary of Irving's flat 603 603 Subsequent works 5,168 5,168 Revisionism 17 13,736 Hitler's War 4,701 4,701 Irving's work in the late 1970s and early 1980s 4,954 4,954 Hitler Diaries 3,400 3,400 Other books 664 664 Holocaust denial 21 43,175 Movement towards Holocaust denial 21,567 21,567 Ernst Zündel trial 8,336 8,336 Holocaust denial lecture circuit 13,251 13,251 Racism and antisemitism 4,399 4,399 Persona non grata 5,365 28,974 Libel suit 5,421 5,421 Life after the libel suit 11,498 11,498 2009 Norwegian Festival of Literature 6,690 6,690 Reception by historians 4,897 4,897 Personal life 1,715 2,460 Illness 745 745 In popular culture 1,918 1,918 Works 2,508 2,508 See also 157 157 References 15 10,265 Explanatory notes 48 48 Citations 533 533 Bibliography 7,114 7,114 Reviews 342 342 News articles 2,027 2,027 Film 186 186 External links 1,953 1,953 Total 150,555 150,555

Photo

Isn't the photo used a bit too obviously propagandist? He looks mean and "in-your-face" and grumpy. Isn't this just a very basic, a very crude way of immediately portraying him as a villain?

I'd think the article- or the man's works themselves- would do a proper job of displaying him for, well, himself. Having an unflattering picture, while it works on "the plebs", will have the opposite effect on the sort of people who might actually bother reading him.

How about finding a neutral picture? Something that doesn't bias the reader one way or the other?

(Sorry if my editing isn't proper; I very, very, very rarely engage in this sort of thing)

I think I "sign" with three+ tilde signs? 85.220.85.93 (talk) 03:51, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

I honestly think it is neutral. 2601:248:5181:5C70:1502:8587:7BB9:1A6F (talk) 08:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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Requires n doord comma. 64.189.18.44 (talk) 15:22, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. PianoDan (talk) 16:40, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

uncited claim about divorce

In the article, it states that "Irving's affairs caused his first marriage to end in divorce in 1981." - but there is no citation. I think this should be removed as per WP:BLP. 45.178.73.82 (talk) 21:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

GA concerns

I am concerned that this article no longer meets the good article criteria. Some of my concerns are listed below:

• At over 11,000 words, WP:TOOBIG suggests that it might be split up or summarised more effectively.
• The article relies too much on block quotes: removing and summarising these will help reduce the article length.
• There are many sources listed in the bibliography that are not used as inline citations: these should be considered for their inclusion or removed.
• Some sections are too large and should be broken up with headings.

Is anyone interested in fixing up this article, or should it go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 02:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't think the problem is as great as you lay out. The article is written well, and covers a lot of territory with appropriate detail. 156 kb isn't outlandishly big. WP:TOOBIG says "the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading material."

The GA version in 2011 contained block quotes, too. The block quotes convey a great deal of information including Irving's deeply hateful tone, which would disappear if summarized.

Feel free to reduce the bibliography. Binksternet (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

@Binksternet: Sorry I did not respond to this sooner: I missed it on my watchlist. Responses below

• I do not think the scope of this topic can justify the length: if there were already attempts to spin out the article, I could agree with this, but this article has not done so yet so I do not think all of this information should stay here.
• Regarding block quotes: WP:NOR says we should not be making interpretations of the work. Instead, Misplaced Pages should be presenting what secondary sources have said about the topic. If the block quotes "convey a great deal of information including Irving's deeply hateful tone" then it should be presented from secondary sources. Also, direct quotes might bring copyright concerns if done too often, which is why I recommend using them sparingly and summarising the information instead.

Would you be interested in addressing these concerns, or should this go to WP:GAR to get additional opinions? Z1720 (talk) 22:22, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Do whatever you think is right. I think the GAR process will unnecessarily waste the community's time. For 14 years now, the article has contained a bunch of blockquotes. In 2010, the peer-reviewed version had 1,162 words worth of blockquotes. The previous GAR attempt (archived at Talk:David Irving/GA2) was a biased attempt to whitewash the article resulting in affirmation of the GA status. The article has been improved bit by bit for more than a decade, and represents standing consensus on the topic. I don't think a new GAR is necessary. Binksternet (talk) 22:50, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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