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hi, citation #11's link is actually http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm instead of the one that's currently on the article. the website switched domains and I would like to see an edit reflecting that. hi, citation #11's link is actually http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm instead of the one that's currently on the article. the website switched domains and I would like to see an edit reflecting that.


== War crimes of the Soviet Union == == The Graph #2 ==


Placing Lithuania and Latvia into Allied nations is dubious at best. Nazis were welcomed as liberators<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/German_occupation_of_Lithuania_during_World_War_II</ref> and the resistance was almost entirely foreign (poles and russians along with Jewish partisans) <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/German_occupation_of_Lithuania_during_World_War_II</ref>. Casualties numbers are completely unreliable as the only census data available was from 1923 (nearly 20 years before the war) and 1959 (15 years after the war) <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/German_occupation_of_Lithuania_during_World_War_II#Demographic_losses</ref>. The only point of consensus is that vast majority of casualties were Jewish, Polish and Russian.
Why is there no section "War crimes of the Soviet Union"? What about the ], for example? Is the fact that the Soviet Union was part of the ] reason enough not to call Soviet ]s ]? ] (]) 11:50, 10 January 2023 (UTC)


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:The Katyn massacre and other war crimes of the SU are all mentioned in the "Oppression in the Soviet Union" section. ] (]) 13:44, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


==Turkish casualties (on UK soil)==
== Iran ==


This link https://thebignote.com/2024/01/22/brookwood-cemetery-the-turkish-air-cemetery/ might be interesting to those able to investigate further. The ''Refah'' sinking was not the only loss of Turkish military life; there are 14 Turkish Air Force pilots buried in a special Turkish military plot in Brookwood Military Cemetery (England) who died mainly in flying accidents while training in the UK under Royal Air Force auspices. Their deaths occurred from 1943 into mid 1945 (by which time Turkey was part of the belligerent Allies).] (]) 16:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Why isn't Iran in the chart or anywhere on the list considering the forced famine by the British(mostly) and Russians? ] (]) 18:02, 27 March 2023 (UTC)


== African deaths (particularly Moroccan, Algerian and French West African (Senegalese and others) ==
:I don't have any arguments against adding it to the list, other famines are also included. It might be just a matter of unawareness that there was a famine in Iran.
:But after reading the ], I'm not sure that the famine can be called "forced". What would make it a "forced" famine? Who forced the famine on Iran, and what kind of force was used? There was a bad harvest in 1942. That's not "forced". One could argue that others (like the US) didn't help Iran, but it's not like humanitarian help is mandated by law, countries are not obligated to help. The wiki article says that the British tried to help "but failed to do so". This doesn't sound like they didn't help on purpose (although some seem to ''suspect'' that there was some calculation involved). The population of the Soviet Union was also starving, so their reason to not help also doesn't sound like coming from bad faith. ] (]) 14:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
::Perhaps forced is a bad word, and "history will be written by the victors" is why there is unawareness. The british "invaded" iran when there was no real need to invade. The British seized most of the trucks and food in the country to feed their own troops, and Russian troops. In WWI there was a similar situation. This book is about what happened in WWI
::https://www.amazon.com/Great-Famine-Genocide-Persia-1917-1919/dp/0761826335
::This book has details on WWII famine. I know there's wikipedia pages for the famine but info is scarce. It should at least be added to the list.
::https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780761867388/Iran-Under-Allied-Occupation-In-World-War-II-The-Bridge-to-Victory-and-A-Land-of-Famine
::They don't want people to know, why there's an islamic republic that is anti western. So that they can do what they want with Iran and their oil, etc. So they can justify gassing Iran in 80's and perhaps nuking Iran in the future. ] (]) 16:43, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


Hi,
== Iranian famine ==
Although there is a note on the casualties by country table specifying that soldiers from Italy's African colonies are counted among Italy's dead, I was surprised to see nothing of the sort about France's colonies and protectorates (particularly Morocco (] and French West Africa. My understanding is that soldiers were recruited from France's West African colonies (les "tirailleurs sénégalais, better known for their participation in WWI). This article (https://www.lemonde.fr/en/le-monde-africa/article/2024/07/29/france-makes-gesture-over-wwii-massacre-of-african-troops-on-french-army-orders-in-senegal_6703268_124.html# )refers to a deadly incident after the war but if they were demanding their back pay, then they were in the war, and surely some of them died?

I admit I'm no expert and don't have the figures at my fingertips, but surely some mention of Moroccan and French West AFrican soldiers should be made? Thanks in advance ] (]) 20:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Should the ] be included in these numbers? ] (]) 16:30, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2023 ==

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Regarding french civilian casuatlies change "60,000 killed in allied (mainly American) bombardments" to "70,000 killed in allied (mainly American) bombardments" since the actual figure of 68,778 which is already a minimum estimate is closer to 70.000 than to 60.000. ] (]) 20:07, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp -->. The citation for that note gives the number of French civilians killed as 60,000. If you have a reliable source that gives a higher figure, please provide it. ] (]) 01:12, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

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Luxembourg's numbers are wrong

hi, the numbers of luxembourgish casualties are a little wrong. As often described in multiple books, the percentage of casualties compared to the total 1939 population of luxembourg is around 2%, making it the highest loss suffered by a country in western europe. this is mainly due to the battle of the bulge ravaging half of the country. Anyway i have the following numbers out of this book: Michel Pauly : Geschichte Luxemburgs , 2013, ISBN-978-3-406-62225-0 p.102:

  2848 dead luxembourgers forcefully serving in the german Wehrmacht
  2048 dead civilians due to military actions (mainly Battle of the Bulge)
  1208 dead deported luxembourgish jews (in concentration camps)
   791 dead deported luxembourghish political prisoners (in concentration camps) 
   154 dead luxembourgish civilians who were forcefully resettled in the east 
    57 dead luxembourgers due to military actions serving in various allied forced
  7106 total casualties -> which brings it to 2,45% of the total prewar population of luxembourg, like described in many books: highest perecentage loss   of any western-european country. 

This information is in my opinion very important, because the very high death-toll luxembourg had to endure during WWII made the allies recognize Luxembourg's important contribution to the allied war effort and with it Luxembourg's independence was never questioned again. (like after WWI when Belgium and France questionned the commitment of luxembourg to the Entente cause.)

Can somebody please put this right ?

Thank you very much Letzebuergerr

Update citations

hi, citation #11's link is actually http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm instead of the one that's currently on the article. the website switched domains and I would like to see an edit reflecting that.

The Graph #2

Placing Lithuania and Latvia into Allied nations is dubious at best. Nazis were welcomed as liberators and the resistance was almost entirely foreign (poles and russians along with Jewish partisans) . Casualties numbers are completely unreliable as the only census data available was from 1923 (nearly 20 years before the war) and 1959 (15 years after the war) . The only point of consensus is that vast majority of casualties were Jewish, Polish and Russian.

References

  1. https://en.wikipedia.org/German_occupation_of_Lithuania_during_World_War_II
  2. https://en.wikipedia.org/German_occupation_of_Lithuania_during_World_War_II
  3. https://en.wikipedia.org/German_occupation_of_Lithuania_during_World_War_II#Demographic_losses

Turkish casualties (on UK soil)

This link https://thebignote.com/2024/01/22/brookwood-cemetery-the-turkish-air-cemetery/ might be interesting to those able to investigate further. The Refah sinking was not the only loss of Turkish military life; there are 14 Turkish Air Force pilots buried in a special Turkish military plot in Brookwood Military Cemetery (England) who died mainly in flying accidents while training in the UK under Royal Air Force auspices. Their deaths occurred from 1943 into mid 1945 (by which time Turkey was part of the belligerent Allies).Cloptonson (talk) 16:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

African deaths (particularly Moroccan, Algerian and French West African (Senegalese and others)

Hi, Although there is a note on the casualties by country table specifying that soldiers from Italy's African colonies are counted among Italy's dead, I was surprised to see nothing of the sort about France's colonies and protectorates (particularly Morocco (Morocco in World War II and French West Africa. My understanding is that soldiers were recruited from France's West African colonies (les "tirailleurs sénégalais, better known for their participation in WWI). This article (https://www.lemonde.fr/en/le-monde-africa/article/2024/07/29/france-makes-gesture-over-wwii-massacre-of-african-troops-on-french-army-orders-in-senegal_6703268_124.html# )refers to a deadly incident after the war but if they were demanding their back pay, then they were in the war, and surely some of them died? I admit I'm no expert and don't have the figures at my fingertips, but surely some mention of Moroccan and French West AFrican soldiers should be made? Thanks in advance 2A02:8428:71F:2F01:D57A:AE38:BA85:4788 (talk) 20:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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