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hi, citation #11's link is actually http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm instead of the one that's currently on the article. the website switched domains and I would like to see an edit reflecting that. |
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hi, citation #11's link is actually http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm instead of the one that's currently on the article. the website switched domains and I would like to see an edit reflecting that. |
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== Iranian famine == |
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== The Graph #2 == |
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Placing Lithuania and Latvia into Allied nations is dubious at best. Nazis were welcomed as liberators<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/German_occupation_of_Lithuania_during_World_War_II</ref> and the resistance was almost entirely foreign (poles and russians along with Jewish partisans) <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/German_occupation_of_Lithuania_during_World_War_II</ref>. Casualties numbers are completely unreliable as the only census data available was from 1923 (nearly 20 years before the war) and 1959 (15 years after the war) <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/German_occupation_of_Lithuania_during_World_War_II#Demographic_losses</ref>. The only point of consensus is that vast majority of casualties were Jewish, Polish and Russian. |
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Should the ] be included in these numbers? ] (]) 16:30, 12 July 2023 (UTC) |
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Yes, they should. According to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum's Holocaust Encyclopedia, "Famine spread (in Iran) and many people died." And yet, the current article contains nothing on Iran. A search of the article's history shows that a previous version gave the death toll at 3-4 million. In an apparent act of vandalism, it had been deleted and no alternative figures put in its place. It seems to me that given that 6 million died in the Ukranian famine of the 1930s, 3-4 million deaths in World War 2 Iran is not unreasonable. Moreover, a recent article in the June 2023 issue of ''Third World Quarterly'' states 8-10 million Iranians died in the 1917-1919 famine. For the sake of completeness and accuracy, Iranian casualties in WWII need to be included in the article. ] (]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added 07:00, 30 August 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Turkish casualties (on UK soil)== |
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:Iran was included a long time in the list, why it was deleted? In the fights in 1941 Iran had losses and the deaths in the famine in WW2. ] (]) 21:59, 12 September 2023 (UTC) |
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This link https://thebignote.com/2024/01/22/brookwood-cemetery-the-turkish-air-cemetery/ might be interesting to those able to investigate further. The ''Refah'' sinking was not the only loss of Turkish military life; there are 14 Turkish Air Force pilots buried in a special Turkish military plot in Brookwood Military Cemetery (England) who died mainly in flying accidents while training in the UK under Royal Air Force auspices. Their deaths occurred from 1943 into mid 1945 (by which time Turkey was part of the belligerent Allies).] (]) 16:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2023 == |
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== African deaths (particularly Moroccan, Algerian and French West African (Senegalese and others) == |
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Regarding french civilian casuatlies change "60,000 killed in allied (mainly American) bombardments" to "70,000 killed in allied (mainly American) bombardments" since the actual figure of 68,778 which is already a minimum estimate is closer to 70.000 than to 60.000. ] (]) 20:07, 12 July 2023 (UTC) |
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] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp -->. The citation for that note gives the number of French civilians killed as 60,000. If you have a reliable source that gives a higher figure, please provide it. ] (]) 01:12, 13 July 2023 (UTC) |
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Although there is a note on the casualties by country table specifying that soldiers from Italy's African colonies are counted among Italy's dead, I was surprised to see nothing of the sort about France's colonies and protectorates (particularly Morocco (] and French West Africa. My understanding is that soldiers were recruited from France's West African colonies (les "tirailleurs sénégalais, better known for their participation in WWI). This article (https://www.lemonde.fr/en/le-monde-africa/article/2024/07/29/france-makes-gesture-over-wwii-massacre-of-african-troops-on-french-army-orders-in-senegal_6703268_124.html# )refers to a deadly incident after the war but if they were demanding their back pay, then they were in the war, and surely some of them died? |
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I admit I'm no expert and don't have the figures at my fingertips, but surely some mention of Moroccan and French West AFrican soldiers should be made? Thanks in advance ] (]) 20:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC) |
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I understand the thought, but I think it is a bit awkward that a Canadian flag that no one remembers is used in the casualties columns instead of the one that has been in use since 1967. I can understand this in the case of nations whose borders have drastically changed, but this is not the case for Canada. |
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Additionally, when I was a child growing up in the 1950s in Canada, the UK's union jack was flown, not the one shown in the table, which looks vaguely like the Ontario provincial flag to me. ] (]) 18:14, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2023 == |
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Second sentence: " the 2.3 billion (est.) people that consisted of the global population in 1940." |
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Unless there's a secondary sense I'm not familiar with, this is the wrong way 'round. A group "consists of" its members. |
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Solution: Flipping the order works without much need for rephrasing. Or, replace with "constituted" or some such. |
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- ] (]) 21:02, 28 November 2023 (UTC) |
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: {{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> Cleaned up that wording. ] (]) 02:38, 29 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Indian deaths due to Bengal famine == |
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Indian deaths due to Bengal famine don't seem to be included here. The Bengal famine itself killed around 2.1 to 3 million people and war was a big factor. ] (]) 21:18, 13 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:@] just realised that the deaths are included in the table but not in the graph. ] (]) 21:21, 13 January 2024 (UTC) |
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hi,
the numbers of luxembourgish casualties are a little wrong. As often described in multiple books, the percentage of casualties compared to the total 1939 population of luxembourg is around 2%, making it the highest loss suffered by a country in western europe. this is mainly due to the battle of the bulge ravaging half of the country.
Anyway i have the following numbers out of this book: Michel Pauly : Geschichte Luxemburgs , 2013, ISBN-978-3-406-62225-0 p.102:
This information is in my opinion very important, because the very high death-toll luxembourg had to endure during WWII made the allies recognize Luxembourg's important contribution to the allied war effort and with it Luxembourg's independence was never questioned again. (like after WWI when Belgium and France questionned the commitment of luxembourg to the Entente cause.)
Placing Lithuania and Latvia into Allied nations is dubious at best. Nazis were welcomed as liberators and the resistance was almost entirely foreign (poles and russians along with Jewish partisans) . Casualties numbers are completely unreliable as the only census data available was from 1923 (nearly 20 years before the war) and 1959 (15 years after the war) . The only point of consensus is that vast majority of casualties were Jewish, Polish and Russian.