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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 June 2024 == |
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== Sergei Shoigu image description change == |
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I believe the image description of the image portraying Sergei Shoigu should use past tense, as it refers to the deceased Prigozhin. ] (]) 20:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 December 2023 == |
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] (]) 12:59, 16 June 2024 (UTC) At the final category (Post-Prigozhin's death) there's a sentence that says: "Wagner is officially becoming a unit of Rosgvardia...The entire structure, methods of work and commanders remain the same.", there's supposed to be "an unit of Rosgvardia" not "a unit of Rosgvardia" |
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Please replace ] with ] ] (]) 22:37, 6 December 2023 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> no reason given for the proposed change. ] (]) 21:42, 9 December 2023 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> {{tq|a unit}} is correct, {{tq|an}} is only used when the next word begins with a ''vowel sound'' (regardless of whether the letter is a vowel or not). Unit begins with the consonant sound {{tq|Y}} like {{tq|a university}} or {{tq|a universal truth}}. You only need {{tq|an}} when the U makes a vowel sound like in {{tq|an umbrella}}. English is a very weird language. ] (]) 01:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{Done}}. ] (]) 01:23, 12 December 2023 (UTC) |
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== IDF? == |
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Why is IDF listed as opponent? No source is given for this. ] (]) 15:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC) |
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:Looks like that's related to (lower down in the info box) involvement in the 2023 Israel-Hamas War. The citation listed for that is Gordon, Michael R.; Salama, Vivian (2 November 2023). "Russia's Wagner Group Plans to Send Air Defenses to Hezbollah, U.S. Says". The Wall Street Journal. Retrieved 2 November 2023 https://www.wsj.com/world/russias-wagner-group-may-provide-air-defense-weapon-to-hezbollah-u-s-intel-says-37dc8f45 ] (]) 21:55, 15 December 2023 (UTC) |
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::"Plans to send" and "is sending" are two different things. Until they are actually confirmed to be sending we stick with ]. This was also discussed over at the 2023 Israel-Hamas War article and consensus was that until it is confirmed that Wagner are actually actively providing support to Hamas they are not to be included. ] (]) 01:33, 17 December 2023 (UTC) |
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==Africa Corps== |
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This article lists "Africa Corps" as an alias for Wagner. |
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When I looked at the source and a bunch of other ones, it seems that it's being used to replace Wagner, not to rename it. |
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<span style="font-family:Courier">]]<sup>]</sup> </span> 13:53, 22 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:Sources such as? ] (]) 16:33, 26 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Wagner group ranks ] (]) 16:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:Sources? ] (]) 16:33, 26 January 2024 (UTC) |
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'''Should we start a new article''', taking the title from what's currently a redirect to Rommel's Africa Korps? |
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So far, I've added a hat note over at ]. "Africa Corps" currently redirects there. |
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== Contradictory payment figures == |
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However, we usually rename our articles when companies change names. '''Should we move this article''' to the new name of Africa Corps? (If so, the hat note should instead be here, saying something like "For the WWII German expeditionary force, see Africa Korps"). |
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There are paymen figures in this article that hardly make sense. Namely, it says that the pay could be between 80,000-250,000 rubles or 667-2083 in USD citing a 2017 article. So the USD/RUB ratio was about 120 back then. Problem is, back in 2017 and prior the USD/RUB ratio was between 60-70 rubles, and even if we take into accout the taxes, it is still way off the 667-2083 range stated in the same sentence. The same applies to the next sentence, which states that 300,000 RUB corresponds to 2,500 USD according to an article published again in 2017 - once again a random USD/RUB ratio which has nothing to do with 2017 reality. ] (]) 11:59, 22 October 2024 (UTC) |
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PS. Please don't lazily ask for sources when it is trivial to find lots of them, just google "africa corps wagner". Here are just some random ones: |
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:THis looks like OR. ] (]) 12:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::It may very well be. Either someone failed to understand the article they cited, or the authors of the article are really bad at math. 12:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Or that was not the exchange rate in 2017, care to link to a source for it? ] (]) 12:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Russian source about the groups origins == |
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* <ref>https://adf-magazine.com/2024/01/with-new-name-same-russian-mercenaries-plague-africa/</ref> |
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* <ref>https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-12-23/russia-expands-into-the-sahel-with-its-new-brand-africa-corps.html#</ref> |
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* <ref>https://www.newsweek.com/russia-new-africa-corps-hamper-us-clout-libya-putin-sudan-wagner-1845516</ref> |
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* <ref>https://www.theafricareport.com/331580/investigation-how-putin-is-taking-control-of-wagner-in-africa/</ref> |
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] (]) 06:28, 2 February 2024 (UTC) |
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https://styler-rbc-ua.translate.goog/rus/zhizn/stalo-izvestno-voznikla-chvk-vagner-boeviki-1520445072.html?_x_tr_sl=en&_x_tr_tl=el&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp ] (]) 02:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Lack of info post 2023 == |
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There is no info presented here about the groups activities after 2023 ] (]) 16:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC) |
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There are paymen figures in this article that hardly make sense. Namely, it says that the pay could be between 80,000-250,000 rubles or 667-2083 in USD citing a 2017 article. So the USD/RUB ratio was about 120 back then. Problem is, back in 2017 and prior the USD/RUB ratio was between 60-70 rubles, and even if we take into accout the taxes, it is still way off the 667-2083 range stated in the same sentence. The same applies to the next sentence, which states that 300,000 RUB corresponds to 2,500 USD according to an article published again in 2017 - once again a random USD/RUB ratio which has nothing to do with 2017 reality. Gorgedweller (talk) 11:59, 22 October 2024 (UTC)