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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 June 2024 == |
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==Africa Corps== |
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This article lists "Africa Corps" as an alias for Wagner. |
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When I looked at the source and a bunch of other ones, it seems that it's being used to replace Wagner, not to rename it. |
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<span style="font-family:Courier">]]<sup>]</sup> </span> 13:53, 22 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:Sources such as? ] (]) 16:33, 26 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Wagner group ranks ] (]) 16:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:Sources? ] (]) 16:33, 26 January 2024 (UTC) |
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'''Should we start a new article''', taking the title from what's currently a redirect to Rommel's Africa Korps? |
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So far, I've added a hat note over at ]. "Africa Corps" currently redirects there. |
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However, we usually rename our articles when companies change names. '''Should we move this article''' to the new name of Africa Corps? (If so, the hat note should instead be here, saying something like "For the WWII German expeditionary force, see Africa Korps"). |
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PS. Please don't lazily ask for sources when it is trivial to find lots of them, just google "africa corps wagner". Here are just some random ones: |
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* <ref>https://adf-magazine.com/2024/01/with-new-name-same-russian-mercenaries-plague-africa/</ref> |
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* <ref>https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-12-23/russia-expands-into-the-sahel-with-its-new-brand-africa-corps.html#</ref> |
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* <ref>https://www.newsweek.com/russia-new-africa-corps-hamper-us-clout-libya-putin-sudan-wagner-1845516</ref> |
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* <ref>https://www.theafricareport.com/331580/investigation-how-putin-is-taking-control-of-wagner-in-africa/</ref> |
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] (]) 06:28, 2 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:In source 2, it says that the Africa Corps is under RuMOD control and is a new organization with a new structure. It might becuase wagner is a bunch of companies and not 1 single entity, but this organization seems to replace Wagner entirely, and isn't a rebrand. <span style="font-family:Courier">]]<sup>]</sup> </span> 15:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 March 2024 == |
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{{Edit extended-protected|Wagner Group|answered=yes}} |
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] (]) 12:59, 16 June 2024 (UTC) At the final category (Post-Prigozhin's death) there's a sentence that says: "Wagner is officially becoming a unit of Rosgvardia...The entire structure, methods of work and commanders remain the same.", there's supposed to be "an unit of Rosgvardia" not "a unit of Rosgvardia" |
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Add Asia to the list of continents where there have been operations, as Syria and parts of Russia are in Asia. ] (]) 22:25, 5 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> {{tq|a unit}} is correct, {{tq|an}} is only used when the next word begins with a ''vowel sound'' (regardless of whether the letter is a vowel or not). Unit begins with the consonant sound {{tq|Y}} like {{tq|a university}} or {{tq|a universal truth}}. You only need {{tq|an}} when the U makes a vowel sound like in {{tq|an umbrella}}. English is a very weird language. ] (]) 01:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> ] (]) 22:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Contradictory payment figures == |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 March 2024 == |
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There are paymen figures in this article that hardly make sense. Namely, it says that the pay could be between 80,000-250,000 rubles or 667-2083 in USD citing a 2017 article. So the USD/RUB ratio was about 120 back then. Problem is, back in 2017 and prior the USD/RUB ratio was between 60-70 rubles, and even if we take into accout the taxes, it is still way off the 667-2083 range stated in the same sentence. The same applies to the next sentence, which states that 300,000 RUB corresponds to 2,500 USD according to an article published again in 2017 - once again a random USD/RUB ratio which has nothing to do with 2017 reality. ] (]) 11:59, 22 October 2024 (UTC) |
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In the Serbia section of "Possible activities" it says "being training" when it should say "being trained". ] (]) 17:01, 19 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:THis looks like OR. ] (]) 12:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::It may very well be. Either someone failed to understand the article they cited, or the authors of the article are really bad at math. 12:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> ] (]) 18:18, 19 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Or that was not the exchange rate in 2017, care to link to a source for it? ] (]) 12:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Russian source about the groups origins == |
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== Logo before 2023? == |
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https://styler-rbc-ua.translate.goog/rus/zhizn/stalo-izvestno-voznikla-chvk-vagner-boeviki-1520445072.html?_x_tr_sl=en&_x_tr_tl=el&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp ] (]) 02:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC) |
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I remember the patch of a skull in a sniper reticle being prominently displayed on the article in the past. Was it removed due to copyright reasons? Surely it'd fall under fair use, right? It baffles me that the older and more notorious design wouldn't be shown anywhere on english wikipedia, let alone the dedicated page. ] (]) 03:50, 21 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Lack of info post 2023 == |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 June 2024 == |
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There is no info presented here about the groups activities after 2023 ] (]) 16:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC) |
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] (]) 12:59, 16 June 2024 (UTC) At the final category (Post-Prigozhin's death) there's a sentence that says: "Wagner is officially becoming a unit of Rosgvardia...The entire structure, methods of work and commanders remain the same.", there's supposed to be "an unit of Rosgvardia" not "a unit of Rosgvardia" |
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:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> {{tq|a unit}} is correct, {{tq|an}} is only used when the next word begins with a ''vowel sound'' (regardless of whether the letter is a vowel or not). Unit begins with a the consonant sound {{tq|Y}} like {{tq|a university}} or {{tq|a universal truth}}. You only need {{tq|an}} when the U makes a vowel sound like in {{tq|an umbrella}}. English is a very weird language. ] (]) 01:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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There are paymen figures in this article that hardly make sense. Namely, it says that the pay could be between 80,000-250,000 rubles or 667-2083 in USD citing a 2017 article. So the USD/RUB ratio was about 120 back then. Problem is, back in 2017 and prior the USD/RUB ratio was between 60-70 rubles, and even if we take into accout the taxes, it is still way off the 667-2083 range stated in the same sentence. The same applies to the next sentence, which states that 300,000 RUB corresponds to 2,500 USD according to an article published again in 2017 - once again a random USD/RUB ratio which has nothing to do with 2017 reality. Gorgedweller (talk) 11:59, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
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