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==My talk page is also my "to-do" list==
{{cob}}
No really, I do read all my messages in a timely manner. I also archive fairly regularly once the subject of the message has been resolved. I keep things on my talk page until they've been addressed, so stuff tends to be out of date order. Consider the top half of this page my to-do list. Some things just take time. See also ]. ] (])
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==Notes==
=="Trust me, I'm an admin"==
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That's from our Famous Last Words Department.


Note to self: Consider writing an article about in the ]. Some day.
Unaccustomed as I am to browsing other than as an admin, I temporarily forgot that a non-admin who lands on a deleted page, e.g. by clicking ], sees more than a note of just the latest deletion. In that state of ignorance, I thought that the fix to would be very simple. Well, I was wrong. Sorryyyyy.


Personally I don't think that the slur (if that's what it is) is oversightworthy, but I also don't think that the history merits protection from oversighting. If I were the autocrat of WP, I'd just zap the history without hesitation. But I'm not, and rules are rules, and you're surely more familiar with them than I am. (Plus you've got all those super gee-whiz buttons to play with.) What's the best way to proceed? -- ] (]) 03:37, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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:Why don't you just move the page to an obscure place and delete the redirect? Or wouldn't that solve the problem? --] (]) 09:03, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Other note to self re "emergency" desysops:
*Spencer195, Marskell, Cool3 - Level 1
*Hemanshu - , mischaracterized as "emergency desysop" on , desysop occurred minutes before the motion passed.
*Sade - to check "involuntary per arbcom", Feb 09
*RickK/Zoe - July 08. Long dormant admin accounts, shared compromised password.
*Eye of the Mind - Dec 07. Main page deletion.
*Shreshth91 - done at request of single arbitrator, Aug 07.
*Vancouverguy - Jun 07. Long dorman admin account, apparent compromise.
*Yanksox - Mar 07 - Jimbo desysop, confirmed by Arbcom in full case (DB deletion wheel war)
*Robdurbar - Apr 07 - mass blocking, self unblocking, deletion. Wonderfool.
*Husnock - Dec 06. Admitted shared password, desysop confirmed by Arbcom in full case.
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==Please post below==
::Ah, but the redirect would have a history.... Arguably, it would be an improvement; however, somebody might well object to mess involved. The cleanest way to do this would I think be to OS-delete the last three or so edits, and then to redelete the article in an innocuous fashion. (Incidentally, I'm not entirely sure that it was speediable, but I'm glad that nobody is contesting that.) -- ] (]) 09:32, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


==I'm around a lot more now!==
:Fascinating discussion, gentlemen, and one close to my heart; thanks for bringing it to this page. On doing a bit of research, it appears that (when not logged in), the Misplaced Pages page that shows the edit/log summaries for the deleted edits is the #2 Google hit for the subject of the article. It's not very pleasant to have that #2 hit saying that you are self-promoting; it's easily perceived as a slur upon one's reputation and, if it appeared in an article's text rather than the edit summary, most administrators would delete that particular edit at the request of its subject. Of course, as it currently stands, admins aren't able to "delete" the content of edit/log summaries, but those of us with oversight permissions can "hide" it. As there is a request that the information be removed being made by someone who we can reasonably assume is the likely subject, I will "hide" that edit summary. Your "trust me, I'm an admin" isn't problematic in my mind, though, Hoary.
:A somewhat larger issue is that the edit/log summary is derived directly from the text of the nomination for CSD. This is intended to be a MediaWiki "feature" but has caused issues in the past (e.g., first sentences of attack articles automatically winding up in edit summaries, inappropriate comments in nominations being imprinted on logs). This is probably worthy of further review outside of this specific case, and I will try to formulate some thoughts on the subject. If one or the other of you beats me to it (which would be pretty easy given my time constraints), please link me to the discussion. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, Hoary. ] (]) 17:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC) Well, now that we on the Movement Charter Drafting Committee have published the final text of the proposed ] (ratification vote coming up soon!), I can finally get back to the work I've been missing so much here on this project. I figured I should look at backlogs, and first off I'm going to work on clearing the IPBE requests; that will take a while, as it isn't top priority for most checkusers. Then there's SPI and other CU requests, as well as getting back into OS requests. Feel free to ping me if I can be of assistance. ] (]) 02:43, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


== Notification ==
== automatically archiving ]? ==


I reference the questions you asked at ] in this case clarification request. I figured this crosses the threshold of when it's a good idea to give someone a courtesy notification. ] ] 03:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
I think that setting up automatic archiving of ] would be a good idea, and possibly ] as well, but I don't know where the proper place to make the suggestion would be. The most logical place seems to be on ], but that page has (so far) been used solely for discussing the contents of the noticeboard. So I'm not sure what to do. I desperately want to create ], but I doubt that my suggestion would get much of a response if I did that :P ]]] 22:13, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
:If I remember correctly, there's been some sort of discussion about this on ], but the clerks will probably remember better than I would. Probably the best place to raise the question is on that page itself. Personally, I'm inclined to having a rather extended period before archiving (a couple of weeks at least) for most posts, although I concede that some announcements are less ...umm... memorable than others. ] (]) 22:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
::]--] (]) 14:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
::: Thanks, Tznkai! ] (]) 15:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


== Thurbert Baker vandalism == == IP address blocked ==


@Risker
You may already know this, but the same POV, undue-weight (and copyvio) edits that have been repeatedly done by multiple IPs on the Baker article have also been done on ] and ]. I just reverted it on those articles. Thanks. ] (]) 19:13, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks for letting me know. I've SP'd Perdue and fully protected Adams for the time being, requesting that discussion happen on the Adams page to determine proper weight of any additions. If problems continue after the full protection on the Adams article expires, please let me or another admin know so it can be reprotected. ] has a special subpage for BLPs that require additional eyes and possible protection, if you haven't seen it. ] (]) 19:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


You have blocked my IP address, so I can't edit. Although I may have made mistakes in the past, I have familiarized myself with all Misplaced Pages policies. Please reconsider and unblock my IP address.
==Your note==
It's a question of trolling, Risker, not sockpuppetry. This is someone who used to do it, and has arrived again. I've been ignoring her as she made her way through several articles I edit, but I resisted at AR, because I'd like to get it to FA. Then Lar, who is attacking me on and offwiki, arrived to give me a "warning." What readers think does matter, yes, but it would be good if this could be a decent place for contributors too. Anyway, others have joined in the discussion at AR, so the content issue will resolve itself, and now that more eyes are on the editing patterns, I hope and believe the whole thing will stop. I will send more details when I get a chance. Best, <font color="green">]</font> <small><sup><font color="red">]</font><font color="pink">]</font></sup></small> 01:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


] (]) 14:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
==Request re terms nationalism/nationalistic==
:You seem to be editing pretty well, at least when you're logged in. I haven't done many IP blocks in the last year, and most of the time I am making them more accessible (e.g., allowing logged-in editors to edit instead of blocking all editors). I really don't want to have to use the CheckUser tool to find out what IP address or range you are using, since you are able to edit logged-in. If you are encountering difficulty logging in or editing while logged in, that's a bit of a different story. If that is the case, the best step would be to email the address listed on ] so that it can be further reviewed by the CheckUser team. ] (]) 17:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


==IPBE for ]==
Hi Risker - could we talk a moment? Could you try and discourage the use of the words nationalism/nationalistic at the ArbCom? By committee members, at least. I know it's not the ''most'' pejorative term on the block, but it's certainly not productive. I doubt whether it's used by UN negotiators. ] (]) 13:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I saw that you granted IPBE to this editor. As the first thing they did was cryptospamming (]), I am inclined to revoke that, but wanted to ask your opinion before doing so. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 07:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:Do I get a ] if I undertake this mission? ;-) Joking aside, I do understand your concerns, but would be interested in hearing alternative terms, because most of the ones that are coming to my mind on short notice are more pejorative than "nationalistic". ] (]) 13:31, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks for letting me know, {{u|Seraphimblade}}. I've revoked the IPBE; while the account met the criteria for the initial grant, this is exactly why it is meant to be easy to revoke. I've been clearing the backlog of IPBE requests (there were over 100, I've lost count....), I'm hoping this will be the only one that messes up so obviously. ] (]) 16:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
::That looks likely to give a person hat hair. Well, this author describes patriotic as more neutral . But I could try and cough up some more, maybe from UN sources...] (]) 13:38, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it looks like the words are used in a fair number of UN documents. . And I suppose editors will say they are just calling a spade a spade. Altho we can't be in on the highest levels of diplomacy, do you not agree that they probably describe it as something like "disputed terminology" rather than "competing nationalistic claims" when they discuss it? ] (]) 14:00, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Looking over some past Arbcom findings, I didn't see the words being by committee members, with the exception of the Macedonia case. So I suppose I should engage C. about this. In general, it looks like the dispute is described as touching on national sensitivities and national identities - verbage from the ] at . Maybe there's no need to attach adjectives to the disputants. Best wishes to all of you in this case. ] (]) 14:12, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
::::: Sorry to butt in late on the debate here. May I still offer my 2c? In my experience, "nationalist" is very well applicable in Misplaced Pages contexts in many occasions, though it is sometimes over-used. A Misplaced Pages editor can be classified as a nationalist editor by their editing profile, on pretty objective criteria. If you have a permanent editing focus on aggressively enforcing article content related to your own ethnic/national group in such a way as to make it conform to typical nationalist narratives, then you are a nationalist editor. Typical nationalist narratives are those that serve to construct collective identity through emphasising collective myths of origin, patterns of struggle with neighbouring groups, narratives of collective victimisation, emphatic affirmation of continuity of ethnic identity, or of historical cultural achievements perceived of as marking your group special. These editing patterns are pretty easy to recognise, and everybody active in relevant fields of the project knows that there are a large number of editors who concentrate almost entirely on such types of editing. Being a "nationalist editor" in this sense is quite unrelated to being located in a real-world political spectrum at some position typically characterised as "nationalist". I consider calling an editor nationalist in this sense a legitimate instance of calling a spade a spade.
::::: On the other hand, you don't need to be a "nationalist editor" in this sense to sometimes become part of "national issues" conflict/problem in Misplaced Pages. There are patterns of POV editing motivated by national political positions that aren't necessarily nationalist. I think "national advocacy editing" is an appropriate term to refer to some forms of behaviour in this domain, where calling editors "nationalist" might not be.
::::: Just my thoughts. -- ] ] 09:36, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


==Jack McClellan== == IPBE question ==
I noticed that last month you deleted the article on this guy. I found out because I was reading an article about him from ] news and thought it would make a good reference to add. But when I went to add it, it was deleted. I am really confused about this, how much time did you give people to improve it? Do you have a copy of the former contents? I would be willing to host it on my userspace until it is adequately developed to be considered for inclusion in an article. I figured it would be better to contact you about this first, as opposed to simply recreating it. This way, I can understand what happened and not go through similar problems. Previous to you, a redirect or something was deleted so I am guessing it was developed after that.


Is it generally acceptable for admins to grant IPBE to new editors who are in a geography (or on an ISP) where they'd need IPBE to edit? Was looking at ] and it isn't exactly clear (the request I was reviewing was at ]). ] (] &#124; ]) 17:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
The thing is, this guy does seem notable. Reporters interviewed police, he was on talk shows, and a UCLA teacher was commenting. If there were problems with the article, couldn't they have been sorted out without deleting it? If you thought he lacked importance, perhaps you could make a list of seminotable people and put him as one section on it, but to outright delete it just seems a bit wasteful. Due to this, an entire editing history on the article would be lost. I will go read the vote for deletion and stuff to learn more I guess. ] (]) 03:03, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:Hi {{u|Elli}}. Reasonable question. This would probably fall into the "use common sense" category, more so than anything. I deliberately didn't include the "geographies" issue for a few reasons: listing "concerning" geographies is a mug's game since they keep changing and expanding, and it's a potential vector for abuse (and yes, we've seen some inappropriate requests involving these "concerning" geographies). Gonna be honest, by the time an admin starts feeling comfortable in granting any additional permissions to people, they've usually developed a feel for situations where they don't really want to go. We've got a lot of really good and smart admins.
:In answer to your key question, much of the content in the article was completely unsourced, several of the sources used did not meet ], and many of the references used did not support the statements they were being used to reference. There is nothing special about this man, as is true of the overwhelming majority of people subject to court injunctions. Being mentioned in news items, primarily as an example to illustrate the subject of the article, doesn't establish notability. In other words, this article was not meeting any standards for inclusion and was essentially violating our ] as it stood. Given all of the above, I am not prepared to userfy the content as it existed at the time of deletion.
:I would have considered emailing you a copy of the article as it existed at the time of deletion, had you been an editor involved in its development; however, I don't see any contributions by you in its article history, so I can't really entertain that option. I don't want to close the door on this discussion, though, so if you have other suggestions, I would be happy to respond. Others watching this page who have an interest in the subject might also chime in, and I'd welcome further comment all around. ] (]) 13:25, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


:I think there are also a few issues that need further discussion. Should we be range-blocking IPs that have no history of abuse, simply because they're a VPN or similar? With an increasing number of people and devices only operating effectively through VPNs and similar colocation vectors, should we become more liberal in our granting? How can we deal effectively with the IPBE-related issues that stem from deeply rooted systemic biases that exist outside of our small slice of the internet? Should we request that the developers separate Tor access from IPBE, which would reduce the risk of inappropriate behaviour? There are a lot of things we could be doing better to reduce the need for, and the risk of, granting IPBE. It becomes increasingly difficult to say to people "we want to see a reasonable editing history" when the reality is that they can't even gain access. ] (]) 18:19, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
==George M. Zinkhan==
You speedied this under another name yesterday, in my opinion without good reason; it has, in my opinion, properly, been recreated and is at ]. Only fair to let you know, as you may want to comment. ''']''' (]) 03:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
:Hi DGG. The version I speedied (which was ], not ]) is very different from the one that the page now redirects to; for one thing, there wasn't a single reference. I did comment on ] that there was the possibility of another article being appropriate, just not that one. Thanks for letting me know of the DRV, I will indeed comment. ] (]) 03:11, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


== Invitation to participate in a research ==
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I believe G-Dett is a she. See her ]. HTH. <font color="green">]</font> 04:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:Oops, you are absolutely right. I had just copy/pasted from the one above and failed to change the pronoun when I changed the name. I shall fix it immediately. Thanks. ] (]) 04:17, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


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:Good point, Newyorkbrad; I need to go through all the open cases and figure out if I need to remain inactive in any of them. The situation that has affected my availability is still not resolved, unfortunately, but most of the cases have progressed slowly enough that I think I can participate in almost all of them. ] (]) 04:32, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


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Oka, . Another user reverted, but my point is that there is a root problem someone needs to attend to, otherwise you guys will have to keep using oversight, or an article and worse, its talk page, will have to be blocked to all new users for an indefinite amount of time, something which I do not think is really good for the project. I have no agenda here except a wish that the article and its talk page could be open and stable. Since I seem to be a major provocation, I won't edit either. FYI. ] | ] 23:27, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:Well that was very odd, and I am sorry that I missed a couple of those edits; I think I have cleaned up everything now. I've reblocked the IP for a longer period, so you should be okay to return to the article. ] (]) 00:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't mean to suggest you missed it - I thought he just came back after you cleaned up. I appreciate your blocking the IP I am assuming then that it was not for a public site. I have seen some really determined sock-puppeteer trolls, but this one really seems extreme. Thank you for your help. ] | ] 15:20, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


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I hope this isn't inappropriate. I fear some of the evidence may have gone ignored by those who have already voted, so I urge you to read the and perhaps also a couple of the from the relevant period before you vote. Apologies if you have done so already. ] (]) 22:52, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
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== Protecting 2024 United States presidential election ==
== For all the little things you help me with... ==


I just noticed that you goldlocked the article "]". Why? Is it just that much of a contentious topic? Just curious. ] (]) 08:05, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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== Talk Page of 2024 United States Presidential Election is also locked (not only the article, which for the article is understandable) ==

Good evening brother. Just wanted to ask why cant one post a topic on the talk page?

And also I basically just wanted to ask what the hold up is with updating the article?

Trump was declared the projected winner for 4 hours and the article still shows him as 266. Which is outdated information.

Sources:

https://www.foxnews.com/elections

https://elections2024.thehill.com/

https://abcnews.go.com/Elections/2024-us-presidential-election-results-live-map ] (]) 10:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

*Not touching the protection on that talk page; if you really want to pursue it, you can post at ]. The full protection of the article has been lifted now that the predetermined 5 mainstream media outlets have unanimously called the election for Trump. You will see much work done there in the coming hours. ] (]) 10:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

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:Wow, thanks, JD. This means a lot to me, and I am glad I am able to help out from time to time with those little things. :-) ] (]) 12:42, 6 May 2009 (UTC) Thank you, {{u|BarntToust}}. I think. I'm still half asleep. :) ] (]) 15:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)


== Haiduc redux == == #2024110610012222 ==


Hey Risker! Thank you for actioning that request. For future reference, what is the correct way to request RevDel without using the Oversight process? The suggestion of 'Find active admins in ]' can be described as tedious at best. There has to be a better way? Thanks in advance, ] (]) 22:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Can you please keep an eye on this situation? We seem to be having ] problems on the usual set of articles - he's wholesale reverting to ancient text, in many cases unsourced and with no apparent discussion on the articles' talk pages. Thanks. ] (]) 12:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
:Hi {{u|OXYLYPSE}} - you did the right thing. If you're not in a position to raise an admin's attention quietly, you or any other user can make the request through emailing User:Oversight. This is especially important for apparent BLP issues; it's to everyone's benefit to keep that off noticeboards or other public spaces. The Oversight team does review every request that comes in and takes the most appropriate action; often that is revision deletion instead of suppression. Thanks for asking! ] (]) 23:38, 6 November 2024 (UTC)


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== Just a note ==


Kind Regards,
Just for the record. I do appreciate that nice discrimination you showed in the vote on my record. I admit that my edit summary against ], in writing 'reverted ''good faith vandalism'',' was not what is expected of wiki editors. It was tongue-in-cheek mischievousness on my part, but there was absolutely no doubt in my mind that this was a fair summary of the editor, who registered, made just a few edits on three pages concerning one very small area, two contiguous settlements in the Southern Hebron Hills where he probably lives or has connections. Those settlements have a very bad repute in Israel also as consistently violent. Jordandov elided well-sourced information, and then disappeared. This happens very frequently in the I/P area, one of his edits was defamatory, and with the others at Susya, it seemed logical to conclude he is a native settler in that area, and wiped out sources he disliked. I do think that vandalistic. I do think he thought doing this was in the best political interests of his settlement. But, as you would remind me, even if done comically, my summary justification need not have been as ironic and sardonic as it was. Regards, (no need to reply, you guys are overloaded with work. I just like to tidy corners).] (]) 10:00, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::I won't argue at length on this, since what is done is done. I'd like just to point out that every sentence excised by Jordandov in that passage had been composed by paraphrasing directly from the work of 5 academics. Three of them are Israelis, two with professorships, who have long fieldwork experience of that area. If this wasn't clear, he should have, as I understand it, have put a citation needed tag there. I have 40 pages of notes on Susya compiled over the years, and would have been happy to provide further RS if there was any doubt, or quote verse and chapter from the books and articles already cited to show why this text of mine merely reflected what specialist sources say.
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  • Spencer195, Marskell, Cool3 - Level 1
  • Hemanshu - committee motion, mischaracterized as "emergency desysop" on noticeboard, desysop occurred minutes before the motion passed.
  • Sade - to check "involuntary per arbcom", Feb 09
  • RickK/Zoe - July 08. Long dormant admin accounts, shared compromised password.
  • Eye of the Mind - Dec 07. Main page deletion.
  • Shreshth91 - done at request of single arbitrator, Aug 07.
  • Vancouverguy - Jun 07. Long dorman admin account, apparent compromise.
  • Yanksox - Mar 07 - Jimbo desysop, confirmed by Arbcom in full case (DB deletion wheel war)
  • Robdurbar - Apr 07 - mass blocking, self unblocking, deletion. Wonderfool.
  • Husnock - Dec 06. Admitted shared password, desysop confirmed by Arbcom in full case.

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I'm around a lot more now!

Well, now that we on the Movement Charter Drafting Committee have published the final text of the proposed movement charter (ratification vote coming up soon!), I can finally get back to the work I've been missing so much here on this project. I figured I should look at backlogs, and first off I'm going to work on clearing the IPBE requests; that will take a while, as it isn't top priority for most checkusers. Then there's SPI and other CU requests, as well as getting back into OS requests. Feel free to ping me if I can be of assistance. Risker (talk) 02:43, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Notification

I reference the questions you asked at WT:RFA in this case clarification request. I figured this crosses the threshold of when it's a good idea to give someone a courtesy notification. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

IP address blocked

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You have blocked my IP address, so I can't edit. Although I may have made mistakes in the past, I have familiarized myself with all Misplaced Pages policies. Please reconsider and unblock my IP address.

ᱤᱧ ᱢᱟᱛᱟᱞ (talk) 14:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

You seem to be editing pretty well, at least when you're logged in. I haven't done many IP blocks in the last year, and most of the time I am making them more accessible (e.g., allowing logged-in editors to edit instead of blocking all editors). I really don't want to have to use the CheckUser tool to find out what IP address or range you are using, since you are able to edit logged-in. If you are encountering difficulty logging in or editing while logged in, that's a bit of a different story. If that is the case, the best step would be to email the address listed on WP:IPBE so that it can be further reviewed by the CheckUser team. Risker (talk) 17:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

IPBE for User:Lynnzh0913

I saw that you granted IPBE to this editor. As the first thing they did was cryptospamming (Draft:Aibit exchange), I am inclined to revoke that, but wanted to ask your opinion before doing so. Seraphimblade 07:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Seraphimblade. I've revoked the IPBE; while the account met the criteria for the initial grant, this is exactly why it is meant to be easy to revoke. I've been clearing the backlog of IPBE requests (there were over 100, I've lost count....), I'm hoping this will be the only one that messes up so obviously. Risker (talk) 16:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

IPBE question

Is it generally acceptable for admins to grant IPBE to new editors who are in a geography (or on an ISP) where they'd need IPBE to edit? Was looking at User:Risker/IPBE and it isn't exactly clear (the request I was reviewing was at User talk:Caralice). Elli (talk | contribs) 17:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Elli. Reasonable question. This would probably fall into the "use common sense" category, more so than anything. I deliberately didn't include the "geographies" issue for a few reasons: listing "concerning" geographies is a mug's game since they keep changing and expanding, and it's a potential vector for abuse (and yes, we've seen some inappropriate requests involving these "concerning" geographies). Gonna be honest, by the time an admin starts feeling comfortable in granting any additional permissions to people, they've usually developed a feel for situations where they don't really want to go. We've got a lot of really good and smart admins.
I think there are also a few issues that need further discussion. Should we be range-blocking IPs that have no history of abuse, simply because they're a VPN or similar? With an increasing number of people and devices only operating effectively through VPNs and similar colocation vectors, should we become more liberal in our granting? How can we deal effectively with the IPBE-related issues that stem from deeply rooted systemic biases that exist outside of our small slice of the internet? Should we request that the developers separate Tor access from IPBE, which would reduce the risk of inappropriate behaviour? There are a lot of things we could be doing better to reduce the need for, and the risk of, granting IPBE. It becomes increasingly difficult to say to people "we want to see a reasonable editing history" when the reality is that they can't even gain access. Risker (talk) 18:19, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

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Protecting 2024 United States presidential election

I just noticed that you goldlocked the article "2024 United States presidential election". Why? Is it just that much of a contentious topic? Just curious. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 08:05, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

It is indeed a contentious topic, and was also having an ongoing edit war. Risker (talk) 08:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Ah. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 08:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Talk Page of 2024 United States Presidential Election is also locked (not only the article, which for the article is understandable)

Good evening brother. Just wanted to ask why cant one post a topic on the talk page?

And also I basically just wanted to ask what the hold up is with updating the article?

Trump was declared the projected winner for 4 hours and the article still shows him as 266. Which is outdated information.

Sources:

https://www.foxnews.com/elections

https://elections2024.thehill.com/

https://abcnews.go.com/Elections/2024-us-presidential-election-results-live-map 2806:2F0:1080:F8C0:9901:73EA:1D3F:3883 (talk) 10:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

  • Not touching the protection on that talk page; if you really want to pursue it, you can post at WP:RFPP. The full protection of the article has been lifted now that the predetermined 5 mainstream media outlets have unanimously called the election for Trump. You will see much work done there in the coming hours. Risker (talk) 10:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

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For your work bringing cohesiveness and order to 2024 United States presidential election during AP's, CNN's, ABC's, CBS's and NBC's reporting last night; for making sure orderly process and structure were facilitated on Talk:2024 United States presidential election. Admins like you are the best! BarntToust 13:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, BarntToust. I think. I'm still half asleep. :) Risker (talk) 15:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

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Hey Risker! Thank you for actioning that request. For future reference, what is the correct way to request RevDel without using the Oversight process? The suggestion of 'Find active admins in Category:Wikipedia_administrators_willing_to_handle_RevisionDelete_requests' can be described as tedious at best. There has to be a better way? Thanks in advance, OXYLYPSE (talk) 22:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi OXYLYPSE - you did the right thing. If you're not in a position to raise an admin's attention quietly, you or any other user can make the request through emailing User:Oversight. This is especially important for apparent BLP issues; it's to everyone's benefit to keep that off noticeboards or other public spaces. The Oversight team does review every request that comes in and takes the most appropriate action; often that is revision deletion instead of suppression. Thanks for asking! Risker (talk) 23:38, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

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I mentioned it there, but I just wanted to reiterate here that in the light of day one of my comments at Misplaced Pages talk:Administrator recall/Reworkshop was rude. Sorry about that.

I look forward to (more) politely continuing to share our different perspectives! - RevelationDirect (talk) 16:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh RevelationDirect, just the other day I was accused of kicking dogs. I do not find anything you said to be particularly rude at all. Bottom line, though, I am really impressed that you hold yourself to such a high standard. It's a challenging discussion, for sure, but I think the focus has been on improvement and re-humanizing the process. Risker (talk) 16:43, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

No big deal...

Hi, I haven't edited for almost 2 years, but I've been lurking (just a bit). I came across RECALL and its REWORKSHOP more by accident than design and I was so pleased to see you being active there. It certainly needs your special touch. It inspired me to throw in just two or three minor comments, and though I'm certainly not staging a comeback, I still have a vested interest in both encouraging potential admin candidates to throw their hat in the ring without fear, and even more important to ensure they get a fair deal when they get the bit - or lose it. Warm rgds, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

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