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Page move

Per WP:CRYSTAL, I've moved the page to "LSD (collaboration)", since no one has acted to delete it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:39, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

But plenty of sources specifically call LSD a supergroup. Another track is being released in a few days, and an album is anticipated. I vote for moving the article back to LSD (supergroup). ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:03, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Is there a WP:RS that says an album is anticipated? What is the ref for another track being released in a few days? -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:05, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/diplo-sia-announce-new-group-with-upbeat-new-song-genius-w519789 / ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:08, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Until a release date for the album is announced, I consider the information to be WP:CRYSTAL, and two singles do not, I believe, make a "group", regardless of what some in the press may call it. In English it is called a "collaboration", and that is what Variety called it, so we have ample reason to call it what it is commonly called in English. I am working on a novel, a screenplay, and album and all will win the Pulitzer Prize. I am also working on my Nobel-prize-winning research. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:12, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

I"d argue Rolling Stone is more authoritative than Variety here. Also, supergroup:

• https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/dance/8452049/diplo-sia-labrinth-genius-new-song-lsd
• http://www.mtv.co.uk/lsd/news/labrinth-sia-and-diplo-form-new-supergroup-lsd
• http://www.nme.com/news/sia-diplo-labrinth-join-forces-genius-lsd-collaboration-2307627

All of these sources are better than Variety for music info, IMO. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:18, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Whoa! Please look again: Rolling Stone does not call it a supergroup. So that supports the move away from supergroup. Variety is certainly a better source than MTV and NME and, as I said, it has the virtue of agreeing with the English language and WP:CRYSTAL, since the three artists have not made an official announcement referring to themselves as a "supergroup". -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:30, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

I did not say RS said "supergroup"; I was using this source in reply to your questions re: "Audio" and the upcoming album. I was providing the other sources re: "supergroup". Regardless, even the RS source says "group", which I think is more fitting than "collaboration". ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:33, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

No, it is less fitting. A musical "group" is something that is ongoing. What is the rush here? Why not, per WP:CRYSTAL, wait for an official announcement of an album that refers to the group as an ongoing supergroup, or at least makes it clear that this is intended to be an ongoing group? -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:35, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The artists don't need to release an announcement specifically referring to themselves a supergroup. We go based on secondary coverage. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:36, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Again, a musical "group" is something that is ongoing. What is the rush? Why not, per WP:CRYSTAL, wait for an official announcement of an album that at least makes it clear that this is intended to be an ongoing group? -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:38, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't think either of us feel too strongly about this, but I still disagree and I don't think either of us will change our minds until the next round of press coverage. I say we just let other editors weigh in. See below. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:41, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages editors, is LSD a "collaboration" or a "supergroup"?

Is LSD a "collaboration" or a "supergroup"? Should this page live at LSD (collaboration) or LSD (supergroup)? You decide! :) ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:41, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

• Collaboration, until it actually becomes something a little more tangible. (I'm not sold on "collaboration" either, but in the absence of anything else, this will do for now.) - SchroCat (talk) 05:06, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
• Neither, Group. Apologies for moving the page without any discussion as I did not see the discussion prior to doing it. WP:BANDDAB states that for musical groups, (band), (group), (vocal ensemble), or (duo) should be used. This follows consistency on Misplaced Pages, and other disambiguation tags should not be made up. Groups are a collaborative effort, and regardless of what sources say, a collaborative musical act is a group/band, a mere "collaboration" under a group name cannot exist. I must also note that by mere definition, this is a supergroup. Some sources agree with this, so it may be worth noting on the page. But as I have stated before, we don't make up additional disambiguation tags, and only (group) should be used for this. (Or (band), but that is another debate). Lazz_R 18:44, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Chart table

@Mn1548: Thanks for adding the charts table. Should the NZ position for Genius (LSD song) also be added? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:19, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

@Another Believer: You're welcome. There is no reason why the NZ Heatseeker position can't be added at this moment in time. The only reason why I didn't is because if and when "Genius" gains 10 main singles chat positions (the max. number for discography tables) then the Heatseekers column will probably be removed as it is not a main singles chat. But for the time being it can be added if you want. Mn1548 (talk) 13:30, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

I think it is better to add only the main singles charts from these regions. The main charts are more significant. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:49, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Source

• https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/sia-face-songs-chandelier-maddie-ziegler-712691/

---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:03, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Mountains (EP)

Hmm, that's surprising. I thought we were waiting on a full-length album release. I'm not sure if the 4 song articles should be updated to reflect their inclusion on Mountains, or if we should wait to see about the self-titled album. Also, is the EP available for purchase on outlets other than Spotify? In the meantime, I've redirected Mountains (LSD EP) to this article. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:54, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

They never said that what's coming is a full-length album, or that this is an EP, so let's not make assumptions. These days a 4-song EP can be an album. So if none of sources referred to this EP as the album they're initially talking about, it's fine. As far as I know, Spotify is the only digital retailer to bundle all their previous singles into one package, as they often do with other artists. Hayman30 (talk) 00:38, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

@Hayman30: I understand, but I should mention, regarding this edit, Spotify does say Mountains is an EP. I've got it up on my screen now. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:06, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Hmm interesting, I see now that Rolling Stone called it an EP. It just shows up as an "album" in the Spotify app but they call anything with more than two tracks an album. Hayman30 (talk) 06:23, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be another album-building scenario, where every month or whenever LSD releases a new song they update the EP on each platform to include the latest song and retitle it that. One thing's for sure: four three-minute tracks is not a studio album, it would only be an EP, so I think in that regard, Hayman30 is right. Ss112 07:36, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure what we should do here. Clearly, LSD was not released on November 2. Should we keep the LSD album article, or move the content over to Mountains (LSD EP) and redirect LSD (album) to LSD (group) since there's now no confirmed release date for a full-length album? True, the EP may be part of a bigger release, but for now, we don't have info on anything bigger. Right? Certainly the album article should not have a November 2 release date. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Well yes, the 2 November release date should be removed and replaced with a general "to be released". Somebody had already removed the album from this article when I edited it though. I don't think we can't say what was the planned album is now the Mountains EP either. All we can really do is wait for more news. Ss112 00:01, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm fine with keeping the album article until we know more, but do we think an article about the EP is appropriate given these 4 singles all appeared on this EP before any (may or may not be released) album? And should the song articles all note their inclusion on this EP? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:46, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't know if there's really been enough coverage of the EP to warrant an article yet. If news sources could be found, then maybe, but I personally don't think so at this stage. We can maybe note in the prose of each song's article that they were included on the EP, but I think we should wait to see what happens with the album before seeming to imply all singles were intended to be on the EP (other than it being, say, a holdover release/replacement until the album is ready—doesn't seem to be coincidence that this came out on the date the album was originally intended for). Ss112 11:06, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good. Hopefully this can be cleared up soon. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:11, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

I've updated the prose a bit. Should we also replace LSD with Mountains in the table since we know the 4 songs appear on the EP, but we're not sure if they'll appear on the album? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

@Ssilvers: I'm not sure I understand why you removed mention of Mountains. What's wrong with mentioning the EP, which has definitely been released, even if only on Spotify. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:19, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Oops! Not what I intended to do. I just intended to remove the WP:CRYSTAL violation. But now that I am catching up on the weekend's news, it appears that the "album" that was previously discussed is this EP. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:46, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Changes to their album name is needed

As it was guessed, it would be called LSD, however it ended up being called Mountains containing all 4 (Genius, Audio, Thunderclouds & their new song "Mountains". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Planefam (talk • contribs) 04:28, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

@Planefam: Thanks for the note. See above discussion. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:12, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Mountains (EP) release date

So, in the article, it says that the EP released on Nov 2nd. Shouldn't it be listed as Nov 1st? Matthewl6500 (talk) 02:05, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Matthewl6500, Sharing a link to the "No New Friends" EP on Spotify. Thanks for bringing this to our attention on another talk page. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:06, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

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