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== Jobs anecdote == == On the new criticisms ==


⚫ For clarification, I got the link on Ben Wing's account on XEmacs from the Serbian Misplaced Pages article on him. I didn't notice it talking about XEmacs (although it does in one of the main sections and I forgot), so I decided it would be good to add it. I'll soon cover the glibc devs' criticism on him from long ago; not 2018, not the abortion joke case. ] (]) 15:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
When verifying this paragraph: {{tqb| In 1993, while Jobs was at NeXT, Jobs asked Stallman if he could distribute a modified GCC in two parts, one part under GPL and the other part, an Objective-C preprocessor under a proprietary license. Stallman initially thought this would be legal, but since he also thought it would be "very undesirable for free software", he asked a lawyer for advice. The response he got was that judges would consider such schemes to be "subterfuges" and would be very harsh toward them, and a judge would ask whether it was "really" one program, rather than how the parts were labeled. Therefore, Stallman sent a message back to Jobs which said they believed Jobs' plan was not allowed by the GPL, which resulted in NeXT releasing the Objective-C front end under GPL.}} using the I was surprised to find that the source was primary: Stallman bringing up this anecdote himself in an email. We shouldn't use a primary source for such a big self-serving claim. In addition, the date is wrong, the email is from 1993, but the email itself mentions "a long time ago" in 1993, so the anecdote must be well before 1993. Overall, I would suggest to remove the anecdote entirely unless it is covered in reliable secondary sources. I've made a to address the biggest issues. ] (]) 22:53, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


== The criticisms section is garbage ==
:The paragraph has been like this for at least 8 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Richard_Stallman&diff=prev&oldid=625815748. Anecdote inserted 9 years ago here: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Richard_Stallman&diff=prev&oldid=625688744 ] (]) 23:13, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


(Not the content about the Epstien comments, which is separated out). Almost every source cited is a primary source of some sort. The section also repeatedly quotes {{url|stallmansupport.org}}, a ], and therefore unreliable, source. Quite frankly, I have every intention of removing the section outright soon. ] 23:54, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
== activism -> terminologies ==


:Just removed ] 11:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
the link "closed source software" redirects to "proprietary software", which is linked a few words before, so i feel like "closed source software" should not be a link - ] 20:13, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for doing that. I will try to read up more on the article rules such as ] and ]. ] (]) 01:26, 23 August 2024 (UTC)


== On the new criticisms == == Expand Epstien? ==


I feel like the Epstien section should probably be expanded to include his other views on sexual assault harassment and pedophillia in light of . (I unfortunately do not have time right now with school) ] (]) 23:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
⚫ For clarification, I got the link on Ben Wing's account on XEmacs from the Serbian Misplaced Pages article on him. I didn't notice it talking about XEmacs (although it does in one of the main sections and I forgot), so I decided it would be good to add it. I'll soon cover the glibc devs' criticism on him from long ago; not 2018, not the abortion joke case. ] (]) 15:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

:The "Stallman Report" comes across more as an attempted character assassination than any sort of reliable source. The publisher of this document, Drew DeVault, is infamous in the FOSS community for holding a long-standing personal grudge against Stallman for reasons that are unclear. Best not to rely on his words for this article. ] (]) 22:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

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On the new criticisms

For clarification, I got the link on Ben Wing's account on XEmacs from the Serbian Misplaced Pages article on him. I didn't notice it talking about XEmacs (although it does in one of the main sections and I forgot), so I decided it would be good to add it. I'll soon cover the glibc devs' criticism on him from long ago; not 2018, not the abortion joke case. Gmestanley (talk) 15:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

The criticisms section is garbage

(Not the content about the Epstien comments, which is separated out). Almost every source cited is a primary source of some sort. The section also repeatedly quotes stallmansupport.org, a self-published, and therefore unreliable, source. Quite frankly, I have every intention of removing the section outright soon. Mach61 23:54, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Just removed Mach61 11:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for doing that. I will try to read up more on the article rules such as WP:DUE and WP:UNDUE. Gmestanley (talk) 01:26, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Expand Epstien?

I feel like the Epstien section should probably be expanded to include his other views on sexual assault harassment and pedophillia in light of The Stallman Report. (I unfortunately do not have time right now with school) 2603:3005:5431:A200:0:0:0:539C (talk) 23:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

The "Stallman Report" comes across more as an attempted character assassination than any sort of reliable source. The publisher of this document, Drew DeVault, is infamous in the FOSS community for holding a long-standing personal grudge against Stallman for reasons that are unclear. Best not to rely on his words for this article. 82.1.171.189 (talk) 22:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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