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== Order of language translations ==

There is a hebrew and arabic language translation. After a review of most Israeli pages, and in line with common sense as the first legal language of Israel, I propose simply re-ordering the languages to place hebrew on the left and arabic on the right for this article. I made this change originally believing it to be non-controversial, but another editor reverted the edit and asked that I get consensus first before making that change again. ] (]) 16:22, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

:You need consensus to change the ERA style, per ]. Please discuss on talk page before changing it. ] (]) 19:03, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
::Please move your comment to the new "MOS:ERA" thread I started below. You commented on something unrelated and separate from the date style. ] (]) 19:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
:We have a consensus on this article to have the Arabic name first. This isnt an "Israeli page" except that it covers territory occupied by Israel. ''']''' - 19:18, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
::When was that consensus formed? Would you mind showing me the diff of the discussion that occurred? ] (]) 19:25, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Per ] the language most associated with the subject will come first, then after the second language. Thus this being occupied territory according to international recognition Arabic will come first. ] (]) 19:53, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
:::], ]. It has also been stable this way for over a decade. ''']''' - 20:21, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

== MOS:ERA ==

There was a tag at the top of the page that page that called for there to be a single ERA date style chosen. Currently the article has two styles. AD as well as CE/BCE. I went and clarified and changed it to a single style, since MOS requires that we use only one across a single article, but I was reverted. Please lets pick one and go with it, I would "vote" for CE/BCE since the page is an Israeli page and that is a standard used in Israel and among the Jewish people. ] (]) 19:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
:Again, this is not an Israeli page whatever that means. That said I dont really care what date convention is used. ''']''' - 19:18, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
:Firstly, the page is not an Israeli page nor is it in Hebrew. Secondly, this is not a standard used by Jewish people. I know many Jews who dont use BCE or CE in the United Kingdom. Thirdly, you made a spurious change regarding the image of Melkite church in Ein Qiniyye which removed it from the article. Lastly, this compounded with your desire for controversial change to the lead language (the Golan is internationally recognised as being occupied), and your comments above, is telling me that I need to remind you to approach the subject in a NPOV manner. Thanks ] (]) 19:22, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
::There was a typo in the church image caption. I need to go back and see if that is still there, but it spelled "christian" incorrectly. ] (]) 19:26, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Forgive me, you corrected the spelling mistake. Thank you. ] (]) 19:27, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Hi I changed the two remaining BCE/CE uses to BC/AD. It seemed like it was the dominant style on the article at the time. If there is a consensus down the line for changing the style to BCE/CE that's fair enough but I don't see it here. Kind regards ] (]) 17:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

:Agreed. Per MOS ERA op should seek consensus before changing it. This is how wikipedia works. ] (]) ] (]) 22:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::Agreed. Consensus should be clear before anyone changed anything. I did not change it, I merely was reverting a change prior to consensus forming. Please consider a self revert @] since I think you may have mistakenly thought that I was changing it to a preference instead of simply restoring to the status quo since we have not yet formed a consensus over a date and currently both are present. ] (]) 01:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
⚫ :::OK I will revert that back in the spirit of good faith. ] (]) 22:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)


== Proportion occupied by Israel == == Proportion occupied by Israel ==
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:I was just going to post about this since we see this, "Following the 2024 Syrian opposition offensives Israel occupied the remaining one third of the area." The map needs updating to reflect the full locations with Israelis present. ] (]) 19:31, 9 December 2024 (UTC) :I was just going to post about this since we see this, "Following the 2024 Syrian opposition offensives Israel occupied the remaining one third of the area." The map needs updating to reflect the full locations with Israelis present. ] (]) 19:31, 9 December 2024 (UTC)


== Lede too long ==
== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 December 2024 ==

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Change “unrecognized by the international community,” to reflect the US recognition of Israeli sovereignty in 2019 by President Trump, and the continued recognition by President Biden.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/United_States_recognition_of_the_Golan_Heights_as_part_of_Israel

Also update the sources reflecting pre-2019 US policy to now reflect the above. ] (]) 10:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Not done, already discussed previously . ] (]) 10:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 December 2024 ==

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I am requesting to add the following sentence, immediately after the sentence "In July 2018, the Syrian government regained full control over the eastern Golan Heights."

However, seizing the opportunity created by the collapse of the Assad regime in December 2024, Israeli forces moved to establish full control over the Golan Buffer Zone.<ref>{{cite news |url=https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c77jrrxxn07o |title=Israel seizes Golan buffer zone after Syrian troops leave positions |work=BBC |date=9 December 2024}}</ref> ] (]) 01:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

*{{already done}}<!-- Template:EEp -->, albeit with a different wording and different source. ] (]) 16:19, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 December 2024 (2) ==


Lede is a summary of the body and should be ideally four well-composed paragraphs. The recent additions, especially to the last lede paragraph, has turned it into a bloated live blog instead of an encyclopaedic entry. ] (]) 16:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
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Please change the "multiple issues" template to just the "specify the language" template (if there is one; I forgot if there is one or not), since there is only just one issue. Thanks. ] (]) 06:57, 10 December 2024 (UTC)


*{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp -->. ] (]) 16:20, 10 December 2024 (UTC) :Agreed. I've edited the last paragraph already. Can we summarise some of the history? ] (]) 15:10, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
⚫ ::I've taken a stab at the history too. See what you think? ] (]) 15:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Better now, the second lede paragraph still needs trimming, specifically avoiding the hyperfocus on ancient civilizations. ] (]) 08:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Agreed. Any better now? We could remove the ] too, if you'd prefer. ] (]) 10:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Much better, thanks. Very pleasantly readable now. ] (]) 10:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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Proportion occupied by Israel

The article says 2/3 occupied by Israel. The accompanying map, with its thin line just east of the occupied area, seems to show a tiny strip remaining under Syrian control and around 90% occupied. Either the map is misleading, or it is wrong, or (I suppose less likely) the 2/3 is wrong. I hope someone can fix the map. Zaslav (talk) 04:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

I was just going to post about this since we see this, "Following the 2024 Syrian opposition offensives Israel occupied the remaining one third of the area." The map needs updating to reflect the full locations with Israelis present. Iljhgtn (talk) 19:31, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Lede too long

Lede is a summary of the body and should be ideally four well-composed paragraphs. The recent additions, especially to the last lede paragraph, has turned it into a bloated live blog instead of an encyclopaedic entry. Makeandtoss (talk) 16:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. I've edited the last paragraph already. Can we summarise some of the history? Lewisguile (talk) 15:10, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
I've taken a stab at the history too. See what you think? Lewisguile (talk) 15:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Better now, the second lede paragraph still needs trimming, specifically avoiding the hyperfocus on ancient civilizations. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Agreed. Any better now? We could remove the WP:SEAOFBLUE too, if you'd prefer. Lewisguile (talk) 10:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Much better, thanks. Very pleasantly readable now. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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