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	== Reagan's most quoted author - can anyone verify the cite? ==

	I've been trying to track this claim down - it's universal in recent coverage of Gilder - and Larissa MacFarquhar's "The Gilder Effect" from 2000 appears to be the ''only'' source for this claim. All other cites for it that I could find are to this one article.

	The reference is a dead link - but there appears to be a copy , in ''The New Yorker'', 29 May 2000 ... paywalled. The only text on the page relating to this is "It is no accident that Gilder—scourge of feminists, unrepentant supply-sider, and now, at sixty, a technology prophet—was the living author Reagan most often quoted." Is it substantiated any further in the article body? Can anyone get the article text and quote the part that makes this claim?

	If that one passing sentence is literally the entire basis for this claim, then it may not be a solid claim - and definitely not one rating the article intro - ] (]) 19:34, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

	:Found the article - and yeah, that's literally the only mention of the claim.
	:I have also found it in Gilder's own : "According to a study of presidential speeches, Mr. Gilder was President Reagan's most frequently quoted living author." I can't find this study.
	:So - the claim appears not to be backed by the reference enough to be confident in it at all, let alone to intro level. As such, I've removed it, unless someone can turn up a solid cite - ] (]) 00:23, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

	== claims ==

	Gilder claims that he correctly predicted all sorts of things, such as the role of the mobile telephone many years before even the first iphone. Can these claims be verified or demonstrated to be misleading or wrong? ] (]) 06:24, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

	:yeah, he totally did - I went out and bought "The Death Of Television" (1994 ed) just to check these claims, and he really did, 13 years ahead of time. Of course, all these ideas were in the air at the time - very little he says in "The Death Of Television" would surprise anyone who was on Usenet in the late 1980s - but they were absolutely not in the mainstream, and he brought them there. There's good reason people took Gilder seriously, and the shine didn't really come off until the Discovery Institute and the Wedge Document - ] (]) 12:31, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

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	== Reagan's most quoted author - can anyone verify the cite? ==

	I've been trying to track this claim down - it's universal in recent coverage of Gilder - and Larissa MacFarquhar's "The Gilder Effect" from 2000 appears to be the ''only'' source for this claim. All other cites for it that I could find are to this one article.

	The reference is a dead link - but there appears to be a copy , in ''The New Yorker'', 29 May 2000 ... paywalled. The only text on the page relating to this is "It is no accident that Gilder—scourge of feminists, unrepentant supply-sider, and now, at sixty, a technology prophet—was the living author Reagan most often quoted." Is it substantiated any further in the article body? Can anyone get the article text and quote the part that makes this claim?

	If that one passing sentence is literally the entire basis for this claim, then it may not be a solid claim - and definitely not one rating the article intro - ] (]) 19:34, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

	:Found the article - and yeah, that's literally the only mention of the claim.
	:I have also found it in Gilder's own : "According to a study of presidential speeches, Mr. Gilder was President Reagan's most frequently quoted living author." I can't find this study.
	:So - the claim appears not to be backed by the reference enough to be confident in it at all, let alone to intro level. As such, I've removed it, unless someone can turn up a solid cite - ] (]) 00:23, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

	== claims ==

	Gilder claims that he correctly predicted all sorts of things, such as the role of the mobile telephone many years before even the first iphone. Can these claims be verified or demonstrated to be misleading or wrong? ] (]) 06:24, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

	:yeah, he totally did - I went out and bought "The Death Of Television" (1994 ed) just to check these claims, and he really did, 13 years ahead of time. Of course, all these ideas were in the air at the time - very little he says in "The Death Of Television" would surprise anyone who was on Usenet in the late 1980s - but they were absolutely not in the mainstream, and he brought them there. There's good reason people took Gilder seriously, and the shine didn't really come off until the Discovery Institute and the Wedge Document - ] (]) 12:31, 22 March 2020 (UTC)