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I propose to merge ] into this article because everything that needs to be covered about sidestream smoke is also covered in this article. ] (]) 20:52, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: '''not moved'''. The ENGVAR/RETAIN concerns have not been adequately addressed for there to be a move. ] (]) 20:32, 1 September 2015 (UTC) This merge seems reasonable to me. ] (]) 01:49, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
:I'd agree, except that ], at 137k, is ] and so having a separate article is warranted. ] (]) 16:40, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
::'''Closing''', given the uncontested objection with stale discussion. ] (]) 10:23, 6 November 2022 (UTC)


== Title change proposal ==
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With an increase in literature on third-hand smoke, the dichotomy between active and passive smoking seems less relevant. As such, I'd propose changing the beginning term to secondhand or second-hand smoke, which would move to passive smoking to one of the alternate terms. ] (]) 01:51, 1 January 2022 (UTC)


== page move ==
] → {{no redirect|Secondhand smoke}} – "Secondhand smoke" is the primary name for this topic used by the , the , the and the . ] ] 18:28, 16 August 2015 (UTC) <small>''Relisted''. ] (]) 12:13, 24 August 2015 (UTC)</small>


{{ping|Sjö}} the article introduces "passive smoking" but continues "secondhand smoking" c.f. Effects - there is no continuity ] (]) 19:21, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
*There may be ] issues here. — ] 21:35, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
:The term "secondhand smoke" refers to the smoke itself, while the term "passive smoking" refers to being subjected to the smoke. Hope that explains things. Anyway, that is no reason to move the article away from the ]. ] (]) 19:26, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
:*Might could be but there's no consensus in the archives and the current article uses both American and British English. If we're establishing a consensus now, my own preference would be to resolve the tie in favor of American English, as spoken and read by a much wider audience in general and on Misplaced Pages in particular. The objective thing to do per {{sc|]}}, though, is to see who got in the first edit. Looks like that was . So it should remain at passive smoking ''unless'' enough Brits also use secondhand smoke that we can find {{sc|]}}. Certainly SHS is the preferred American name for the phenomenon, as documented by ]. Can anyone see what the British National Health Service or ''Lancet'' uses?&nbsp;—&nbsp;] 01:02, 17 August 2015 (UTC)<br>On NHS's "Smokefree" site, uses "second-hand smoke" with a hyphen and uses "secondhand smoke" without one. No "passive smoking" in sight. So... ]?&nbsp;—&nbsp;] 01:09, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
:Second hand smoke is also common: as I indicated "smoking" is the action part of the subject - which is a generalized concept: smoking smoker (1) but means to ignite tobacco to make smoke to inhale for drug-use (2). So 1 is taken to mean 2. This I think is obvious and without contention. "Passive smoking" isn't therefore a fusion of two ideas successfully but is a confusion of the idea of (1) as I have shown, that by the fact of passive, no action smoking is occuring. Wouldn't you agree? whether or not "passive smoking" is the commonest version, which I'm not stating it isn't (although I don't see you've provided any indication of proof currently to support your claim). ] (]) 22:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
::*I'll leave it to others but I don't see a problem with the current title. It's more accurate — secondhand sounds like something sold at a rummage sale — and we should note ]. <small> — ] 02:45, 17 August 2015 (UTC)</small>
:The participation in the habit-activity of the consumption of tobacco for it's psychoactive effects is by the application of sufficient heat to cause a state of ignition where-by smoke is created = smoking. ] (]) 22:39, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
:I can not understand what it is you are trying to say or what your argument is. But i guess that it is based on an ]; since "to smoke" is an active action where someone lights tobacco and inhales the smoke that means that any phrase that contains the verb "smoke" must use "smoke" in exactly that meaning. That is incorrect, and language does not work that way. ] (]) 05:44, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
:An administrator reverted my response for legitimate reasons (as is shown in policy): ] ] (]) 02:05, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
:With regards to 19:21 "no continuity": this makes the introductory concept not the subject of the article - therefore a way to improve would be to impose "passive smoking" as the continuation instead of "second hand smoking" - the intro different to the contents term is conflictual for the reader. Evidently "As of 2003, "secondhand smoke" was the term most used to refer to other people's smoke in the English-language media." if true does indicate by your argument ] the article needs to be renamed. Although the relevant editor distorted the source so I deleted. ] (]) 02:20, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


== "]" listed at ] ==
*'''Support'''. As above.&nbsp;—&nbsp;] 01:09, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
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* '''Oppose''' "passive smoke" used x2 as much as "second handsmoke" on n-gram , and in my locality is also used more commonly. So per "common name", oppose --] (]) 10:49, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
The redirect <span class="plainlinks"></span> has been listed at ] to determine whether its use and function meets the ]. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{slink|Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 6#Passive inhaling of tobacco smoke}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- Template:RFDNote --> ] (]) 10:07, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
::] By making the case insensitive and by extending the time frame to 2008, the results favour secondhand smoke. However I would be interested to know if people in the US have heard of passive smoking. I don't remember hearing usage of secondhand smoke. ]] 04:19, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' There are 611,000 google results for "secondhand smoke" and 714,000 for "second-hand smoke" but only 486,000 for "passive smoking". In addition, there are only 3,060 Google News results for passive smoking but 11,000 for second-hand smoke and 13,100 for secondhand smoke. Thus COMMONNAME would seem to support a move from the current title, in my opinion. ] ] 12:18, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per ]. ] is used by ] , the ] , ] ] , etc. ] (]) 13:24, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
:*'''Comment''' It seems that the BBC at least sometimes does use "secondhand smoke", as does the NHS's Smokefree website. ] ] 13:31, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per ] / ]. ] — ] 03:14, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The United States often uses their own terminology separate from that of the rest of the world. This is similar to how they use miles while the rest of the world uses metric. Sometimes we use American terminology others global terminology. ] (] · ] · ]) 15:23, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
:*The "mile" isn't US terminology - it was inherited from the UK, who also still use miles. ] (]) 06:24, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per ] and ]. -- ] (]) 13:18, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The article was originally started in American English, if you look through the archives, it comes off of the article on tobacco smoking, which was also started in American English. The article has always thus been in American English. Cheers, ~~ipuser ] (]) 23:27, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom and ]. ''']''' 14:07, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support'''' per nom, common name, and accuracy. ] 20:19, 24 2015 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' ] does not seem to apply here, per ] above. I am inclined to support "secondhand smoke" (or "secondhand smoking"), as I have never heard it called "passive smoking"; but of course ]. The redirect "]" was created on the same date by the same user as "]" (originally also a redirect), on June 9, 2004. "]" was created not long after on September 22, 2004, by another user. — <font face="gill sans">]</font> ] 22:19, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
::90.192.101.114 has no point. The article . Passive smoking is the default term, and should not be changed, per ENGVAR. ] — ] 00:35, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as the current title was the title first used.] (]) 06:28, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per ] and ], ] (]) 08:18, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. "Passive smoking" being twice as commonly used as "Secondhand smoke" with "Secondhand smoking" not even featuring.. And a big ]. There is nothing wrong with the current title. --] (]) 07:58, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
:*'''Comment''' When I use the ngram tool and look only at uses since 1950, it seems that "secondhand smoke" is used somewhat more often than "passive smoking", which is, in turn, used more often than "environmental tobacco smoke". It also appears that this arrangement has existed since approximately 1997. Similarly, there are 1,820 Google Books results for "secondhand smoke" and only 1,540 for "passive smoking". ] ] 18:46, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
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Secondhand Smoke can not only cause lung cancer,stroke and heart disease but make your overall health make a turn for the worse.Due to the fact that a lot of second-hand smoke being inhaled day in and day out,we need to avoid this hazardous smoke at all costs in order to keep a healthy bright future with no toxic chemicals. If more people were informed on how negative second smoking is then they would try to avoid it as much as possible. Individuals whom are exposed to this smoke need to take all things into consideration as something so small can be fixed by just avoiding a situation by leaving the smoker.
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== 2013 Stanford study on the impact of passive smoking on lung cancer among women ==

In 2013 the Journal of the National Cancer Institute published a study from a team at Stanford University which made world wide news. The study, by a large number of authors headed by Ange Wang, followed up a database of 76,304 women compiled in the 1990s, and found that while current and former smokers recorded much higher rates of lung cancer than non-smokers in the ensuing 15 years, there was no evidence that exposure to second-hand smoke led to a statistically significant increase in rates of lung cancer, other than for women who had been exposed to smoke in their home for 30 years or more.

This was a startling finding, and an important one given the size of the database it drew on, and the fact that the NCI itself had published the study. I looked up this article on Misplaced Pages to find out the considered reactions of expert opinion to the study, and was astonished that in this long article there seemed to be no reference to the study at all.
This is a form of censorship which is completely alien to the spirit of Misplaced Pages (I speak as a regular donor). I don't look up Misplaced Pages to read propaganda, however well-intentioned. I look to Misplaced Pages to tell me the facts, but this article seems to ignore the scientific debate and present only one side, one version of "the facts".

I can only agree with the comments made by others on the talk page about this article. It is biased. It is unscientific: with good intentions, no doubt, but Misplaced Pages exists to promote knowledge, not good intentions. This is a lapse of Misplaced Pages's standards.

The study is entitled: "Active and passive smoking in relation to lung cancer incidence in the Women's Health Intiative Observational Study prospective cohort". It was presented to the June 2013 meeting of the American Society of Clinical Oncology in Chicago, and published later that year in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute (which unfortunately is not accessible from the institute's webpage). <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:06, 31 December 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Need I remind everyone of this quote from the article: {{talkquote|Despite the industry's awareness of the harms of second-hand smoke as early as the 1980s, the tobacco industry coordinated a scientific controversy with the aim of forestalling regulation of their products}}
:Since the opposing lawyers got their hands on evidence of tobacco industry malfeasance, it has cost them hundreds of billions of dollars in damages. It must be getting closer to $1 trillion by now.
:In this particular case, you can find the results of the study by Googling, e.g. and get the following:
:{{talkquote|'''Conclusions:''' In this prospective cohort of postmenopausal women, active smoking significantly increased risk of all lung cancer subtypes; current smokers had significantly increased risk compared with FS. '''Among NS, prolonged passive adult home exposure tended to increase lung cancer risk'''. These data support continued need for smoking prevention and cessation interventions, passive smoking research, and further study of lung cancer risk factors in addition to smoking.}}
:In other words, '''NOT''' "no evidence that exposure to second-hand smoke led to a statistically significant increase in rates of lung cancer". Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and all the other usual caveats regarding scientific research. Also, in the case of second-hand smoke the biggest problem is not lung cancer, which is something of a red herring incidental to the bigger risk of heart disease. As usual in smoking articles watch out for trolls and industry shills reinterpreting the experimental evidence for their own purposes.] (]) 22:52, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
::Does *anyone* have a proper citation for this? The article I can find is:
:::{{cite journal|last1=Wang|first1=A|last2=Kubo|display-authors=etal|title=Active and passive smoking in relation to lung cancer incidence in the Women's Health Initiative Observational Study prospective cohort.|journal=Annals of oncology : official journal of the European Society for Medical Oncology|date=January 2015|volume=26|issue=1|pages=221-30|doi=10.1093/annonc/mdu470|pmid=25316260|url=https://academic.oup.com/annonc/article-lookup/doi/10.1093/annonc/mdu470}}
::However, this was published in 2015, not 2013, and not in J. NCI (or maybe it changed it's nae to J. Eur. Soc. Med. Oncology). Is there another article to which this discussion refers?
::And on the webpage of (they've put one up I guess in the last two years), I don't find anything either. ] (]) 19:04, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

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== 2016 study on the impact of smoking bans on heart disease ==

Under the effects section, I added a recent large study from a peer-reviewed journal. Here it is - http://mcr.sagepub.com/content/early/2016/09/12/1077558716668646. Doc James deleted my edition on the grounds this was not a secondary source, despite the fact that it was a recent, large, peer-reviewed study that directly rebutted other studies referenced in this section (studies that were also NOT secondary sources). So I deleted said studies (I left the meta-analysis as that was a secondary source). Now THAT change was reverted. You can't have it both ways. Either high quality studies that are primary sources are allowed, or they are not. The deciding factor cannot be whether the study supports or rebuts your pre-conceived opinion on passive smoking. Please either restore my original edit or uphold my latest edit deleting the primary source.] (]) 14:57, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
:Yes, "recent", "primary" and "rebutted other studies" is considered to be a bad combination here, just as MEDRS says. There is clearly a need to update that section, but it should use the best available sources, such as {{PMID|26242915}} {{PMC|4526291}} {{DOI| 10.1186/s12889-015-2041-6}}. We don't really need to use a low value source to support the assertion that ], however: in the absence of time travel, nobody has yet proposed a plausible mechanism whereby a later-date reduction in disease might cause an earlier-date passage of legislation.] <small>]</small> 16:49, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
::In what way is this a "low value source?" It comes from a peer reviewed journal and has a very large sample size - much larger than the studies it is rebutting. Moreover, it is not primarily making the point "correlation does not imply causation," but demonstrates that there is not even correlation across any kind of decent sample size. You cannot just exlude primary sources you don't like and leave ones that you do.] (]) 14:09, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Interesting read: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2017/02/secondhand_smoke_isn_t_as_bad_as_we_thought.html ] (]) 19:07, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


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== Second hand vaping ==


. ] (]) 05:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
] (Electronic cigarette) are banned everywhere, even in open air near train station. Same restrictions as cigarettes.


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Merger proposal

I propose to merge Sidestream smoke into this article because everything that needs to be covered about sidestream smoke is also covered in this article. Needforspeed888 (talk) 20:52, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

This merge seems reasonable to me. AdequateNBAfan (talk) 01:49, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

I'd agree, except that Passive smoking, at 137k, is WP:TOOBIG and so having a separate article is warranted. Klbrain (talk) 16:40, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Closing, given the uncontested objection with stale discussion. Klbrain (talk) 10:23, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Title change proposal

With an increase in literature on third-hand smoke, the dichotomy between active and passive smoking seems less relevant. As such, I'd propose changing the beginning term to secondhand or second-hand smoke, which would move to passive smoking to one of the alternate terms. AdequateNBAfan (talk) 01:51, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

page move

@Sjö: the article introduces "passive smoking" but continues "secondhand smoking" c.f. Effects - there is no continuity Simpul skitsofreeneea (talk) 19:21, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

The term "secondhand smoke" refers to the smoke itself, while the term "passive smoking" refers to being subjected to the smoke. Hope that explains things. Anyway, that is no reason to move the article away from the WP:COMMONNAME. Sjö (talk) 19:26, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Second hand smoke is also common: as I indicated "smoking" is the action part of the subject - which is a generalized concept: smoking smoker (1) but means to ignite tobacco to make smoke to inhale for drug-use (2). So 1 is taken to mean 2. This I think is obvious and without contention. "Passive smoking" isn't therefore a fusion of two ideas successfully but is a confusion of the idea of (1) as I have shown, that by the fact of passive, no action smoking is occuring. Wouldn't you agree? whether or not "passive smoking" is the commonest version, which I'm not stating it isn't (although I don't see you've provided any indication of proof currently to support your claim). Simpul skitsofreeneea (talk) 22:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
The participation in the habit-activity of the consumption of tobacco for it's psychoactive effects is by the application of sufficient heat to cause a state of ignition where-by smoke is created = smoking. Simpul skitsofreeneea (talk) 22:39, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
I can not understand what it is you are trying to say or what your argument is. But i guess that it is based on an etymological fallacy; since "to smoke" is an active action where someone lights tobacco and inhales the smoke that means that any phrase that contains the verb "smoke" must use "smoke" in exactly that meaning. That is incorrect, and language does not work that way. Sjö (talk) 05:44, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
An administrator reverted my response for legitimate reasons (as is shown in policy): User talk:Simpul skitsofreeneea#December 2023 Simpul skitsofreeneea (talk) 02:05, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
With regards to 19:21 "no continuity": this makes the introductory concept not the subject of the article - therefore a way to improve would be to impose "passive smoking" as the continuation instead of "second hand smoking" - the intro different to the contents term is conflictual for the reader. Evidently "As of 2003, "secondhand smoke" was the term most used to refer to other people's smoke in the English-language media." if true does indicate by your argument WP:UCRN the article needs to be renamed. Although the relevant editor distorted the source so I deleted. Simpul skitsofreeneea (talk) 02:20, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

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