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== Issue in ] == |
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== Recognition of climate change impacts on animal welfare == |
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@]: I did not remember to watchlist this page, and so was really disappointed to discover just now that you chose to the excerpts I added from ] with no prior discussion or warning. Further, I found your edit reason really confusing: ''thanks, but too much detail for this top-level article, and totally fails to address the elephant in the room – the effects of cattle on climate change''. |
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'''If''' there was too much detail, then surely this could have been addressed by making the excerpts quote fewer paragraphs, rather than remove them entirely? Further, this article '''already''' has a very sizeable "Environmental impact" section, which devotes three paragraphs and a very clear graph to "the effects of cattle on climate change". That exact elephant in the room had already been addressed, seemingly adequately; the subject of animal welfare or even livestock productivity in the context of climate change had not been addressed '''at all''' until I added those excerpts - and now that you have removed them, they are still not addressed at all. |
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Surely, we can simultaneously acknowledge that cattle have a disproportionate impact on climate change '''and''' that they are starting to suffer from it, and will only experience more suffering the more it progresses? Or indeed, that the very business of rearing cattle for profit is not simply a large contributor to climate change, but also that it will become more difficult and less profitable as that very climate change gets more extensive? I don't think these points are in any contradiction with each other. On the contrary, they reinforce each other. |
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We can discuss the appropriate size of excerpts. I might even forego excerpts entirely in favour of a condensed section written for this article if you would consider that more appropriate. Yet, I consider covering these subjects in ''some'' form essential for the completeness of this article. ] (]) 13:43, 6 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:Well, you may be right, {{u|InformationToKnowledge}} - but I don't think a massive excerpt is the right way to go about that. If you want to add something about that topic here, why don't you just write it in the article in the ordinary way (with ] for any copied material, of course)? Thanks, ] (]) 18:17, 6 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::'''Bold'''@] ] (]) 22:00, 6 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::OK, how about now? ] (]) 13:51, 13 October 2023 (UTC) |
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== Estimated global cattle populations through history == |
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I believe the addition of the above subject would be very useful to keep track of, especially considering the importance of cattle in the global food supply. The same could be said of other animals like bison, chicken, pigs, and so on. ] (]) 12:23, 17 October 2023 (UTC) |
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== "]" listed at ] == |
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The redirect <span class="plainlinks"></span> has been listed at ] to determine whether its use and function meets the ]. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{slink|Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 15#User:Mr. Great Cow}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- Template:RFDNote --> ] (]) 15:28, 15 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== This page for all forms of domestic cattle? == |
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] is displayed in section {{Section link|Cattle#Digestive system}}. The source of the image is "Fig 1. Phylogenetic classification of the rumen microbiome as revealed by metagenomic analysis." from paper . |
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In bottom center of the image (labeled "a", captioned {{tq|'''a'''. Pie chart for microbial classification at the domain level. Averages are from all fecal and rumen liquor samples.}}), a small pie chart is split into three parts. Arrows from these slices point to three corresponding bar charts. The arrow from the blue (]) slice points to a bar chart (labeled "e", captioned {{tq|'''e.''' Stacked bar plot of relative abundance of the dominant phyla in the ''Eukaryota'' domain.}}) with six items: |
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I understand the rationale behind merging the ] page with this one, but as English Misplaced Pages caters to an ], i believe that the merged page(s) would've been a useful one if the wikipage for '''Cattle''' (currently this one) mentioned the other forms of cattle that ], such as ], ], ], and ], which come from either ] or even ] within ''Bos''. |
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I therefore argue for the revival of the page Taurine/European cattle to accommodate the information specific to all cattle descended from the ] (adapted for ]s and ]s), and for this ] to be expanded to accommodate all forms of domesticated ''Bos''. I leave the option to include other large-bodied domestic bovines, such as the ], for someone else to decide. ] (]) 06:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC) |
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Arrow from the grey (]) slice points to a bar chart with: |
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:If somebody actually put effort into writing a lengthy taurine cattle page, maybe I would consider it, but if it's just a lazy one paragraph stub just for the sake of it then that's a non-starter. If you actually want to split out taurine cattle again, I would suggest starting to work on a sandbox, and writing a substantial article at least 3000 words in length. Then it can be evaluated here. I would oppose the expanding of the scope to all domesticated ''Bos'', because that's probably not what readers are looking for. ] (]) 07:27, 29 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Young female cattle (heifers), young male cattle (oxen or bullocks), and castrated male cattle (steers) are all colloquially called "cows". == |
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It seems that there is a mix-up both in the original paper and in the file on Commons. Either the blue and grey parts are mixed up, or the arrows from pie chart to bar charts are wrong. I couldn't find ] for this paper. |
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By urbanites, yes. Not so simple among country folk who actually raise cattle, at least in the U.S. And used as a singular, a visitor to the farm/ranch referring to a male as a cow can trigger a response ranging from giggles expressing humor to smirks perceived as derision. Somewhat less so if an obvious steer is called a bull, since at least the m/f distinction is recognized, but a comment along the lines of "That's an ex-bull" would not be surprising. -- The question: why is this (semi-true, misleading) statement in the lede in the first place? ] (]) 15:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC) |
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: Yeah, doesn't need to be in the lead. It's out now. ] (]) 15:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Pinging ], the original uploader of the image, who also added it in ]. —] (]) 19:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:Best would be a bit of rearranging using a raster graphics editor. ] (]) 04:07, 18 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== Greenhouse gas percentage? == |
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::Well since nobody seems to be trampling everyone to death rushing to fix the image, I've fixed it myself. ] (]) 13:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2024 == |
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@] As ] has been in power for a while now so there is less deforestation would it be OR to ignore land use change and simply tick the 4 Climate Trace boxes which mention “cattle”? Also we could link to their methodology, which they explain in detail. Then the lead could just say “more than 4%” which is not likely to change for years. |
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I mean although the FAO is presumably a more reliable source than Climate Trace a lot has changed since 2015, and I have not yet been able to find the FAO methodology. ] (]) 07:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:: It sounds extremely risky to me, so please, let's not do it. Further, this article is currently going through a GAN review, so it's definitely not a great moment. ] (]) 08:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Young male cattle are called bull calves, once they are castrated they are called steers for the first 12 months then they are bullocks or oxen. ] (]) 20:36, 11 September 2024 (UTC) |
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: Not done: leaving aside that Misplaced Pages isn't a dictionary, we can't insert text without citing a reliable source; nor is it obvious where this might go in the article. |
It seems that there is a mix-up both in the original paper and in the file on Commons. Either the blue and grey parts are mixed up, or the arrows from pie chart to bar charts are wrong. I couldn't find errata for this paper.
Young male cattle are called bull calves, once they are castrated they are called steers for the first 12 months then they are bullocks or oxen. 58.179.75.144 (talk) 20:36, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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