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== Add the CN tower to the list ==
== Comcast Technology Center ==


The Comcast innovation and technology center in Philadelphia, PA should be the last building on the list as it is 1 foot taller than one shenzhen building. It stands 1121 feet tall. ] (]) 20:07, 29 August 2023 (UTC) The CN tower held the record of tallest building in the world for more than 30 years and isn’t on the list. Whoever put this article together is a moron. ] (]) 17:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


:I likewise came here to ask why Philadelphia's ], which is 342 meters tall according to its article is not listed, while a building whose height is 341.7 meters is. The fact that nobody has responded to this section, which was added 98 days ago, makes me think people pay more attention to the article than the talk page. Perhaps I will be bold and add the CTC to the list. ] (]) 21:28, 5 December 2023 (UTC) :The CN Tower does not meet most definitions of "building." It does not have floors continuously from the ground. Allowing structures that violate requirements like this would see us putting things like radio masts on the list (the tallest of which is 628 m which is 75 m taller than the CN Tower). ] (]) 12:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::Please do the article is still incorrect and CTC should be listed ] (]) 20:41, 9 March 2024 (UTC) ::Would you care to address the related general question I've raised below, please? ] (]) 16:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)


== taller when 176m == == Inconsistencies ==


There are several inconsistencies in this page, which I feel should be addressed.
X seed 4000 4km
Ulima tower 3.354km
Dubai city tower 2.400km
Shimziu Mega city 2.004km
Sky mile tower 1700m
Murjan tower 1022m
Dubai one tower 1008m


A simple one is that the Tianjin CTF Finance Centre is listed as the tallest building in the world with fewer than 100 floors; but two places above it in the table is One World Trade Center, which also has fewer than 100 floors and is 11.3 metres taller.
Jeddah tower 1007m
Tokyo Skytree 634m <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:59, 10 February 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Shangai tower 632m
Mecca royal clock tower 601m
Ping an 599m
World lottle tower 555m
One world trade center 541m
China zun 502m
Empire state building 381m
Eiffel tower 300m
The shard 289m
Big Ben 96m
Statue of librity 93m


A trickier one is the statment near the top of the article that "Such definition excludes non-building structures, such as towers." I don't believe most people would believe that 'towers' is a proper subset of 'non-building structures'. ('Non-building structures' is a terribly clunky phrase anyway.) 21 of the top 50 buildings currently on this list have the word 'tower' in their names, either in English or in Arabic or both. I think most native English speakers would agree that as a matter of fact, ''every'' building on this page is or includes a tower. I appreciate that there's got to be some logic for separating things that are obviously usable buildings from other structures like radio masts - but declaring that ''towers aren't buildings'' seems absurd on the face of it.
haganai tower 2


I'm interested in other editors' thoughts on this. ] (]) 12:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
[[Tallest unstanding and standing
building|taller when 56m ] (]) 17:40, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


:We already have a ] article which explains why they are considered separate from buildings: to quote it, a tower is "a tall human structure, always taller than it is wide, for public or regular operational access by humans, '''but not for living in or office work'''". This is a fairly well defined, well accepted category that separates it from buildings, and doesn't just mean anything with the word "tower" in it. For example, despite its name, ] of Mecca is considered a building as most of its space is used as a hotel, compared to something like Elizabeth Tower/] where most of its space is just a staircase to the clockwork at the top (not counting the rest of the ]) ] (]) 10:07, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
== Pictures ==


::The 'engineering definition of a tower' given in ] comes from CTBUH, who are also two of the three cited sources, and the indirect source for the third. The ] page itself relies excessively on primary sources. I propose that the CTBUH is not a neutral source when it comes to these definitions - its focus on 'urban habitat' provides a biased motive for using habitable floors as a criterion, and it is in fact a lobbying organisation dedicated the promotion of tall buildings. To anyone outside this echo chamber, the provided definition of a tower is nonsense. The typical reader would expect that the many buildings on ''this'' page which call themselves towers would be classified as towers. Plenty of people live in towers, and it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that those towers aren't towers just because CTBUH wants demarcation. It seems to me that Misplaced Pages's coverage of tall building records generally relies excessively on CTBUH as a source, and it's distorting things to the point that we're essentially saying that up is down. ] (]) 15:29, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
The pictures are nice but probably don't need to be directly in the table. The tallest for each country could be kept along the righthand side - this would be 11 pictures, about the same height as the current 93 rows.


== Tokyo Skytree ==
Having a table with only data in it would allow for about 30 entries to be viewed at once instead of just 5 or 6. ] (]) 11:08, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


I noticed the omission of Tokyo Skytree. Finished in 2011 and standing at 634 meters, it would rank 3rd on the list.
== Column order ==


Is there a reason for this omission, or should it be added?
The two most important columns are the name and height. Overall the column order could be rearranged as:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Tokyo_Skytree ] (]) 12:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
* (rank)
* Name
* Height m/ft
* Floors / {{abbr|B|Below ground floors}}
* City
* Country
* Year
* Coordinates (if kept at all, takes up lots of space for little value)
* (note)


A map already shows where the very tallest buildings are, and each building's article has them as well. ] (]) 02:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC) :Tokyo Skytree lacks any habitable floors, and it's a tower. So it doesn't qualify as a building in any means. ] (]) 09:10, 2 August 2024 (UTC)


::Lacking habitable floors makes sense, but 'it's a tower' is a circular argument - please see my unanswered query in the preceding section. ] (]) 12:58, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:I removed the coordinates, so the table is about as squished as it's going to be. Please comment on how it looks so far.
:Still need to move the number columns over and fix some alignment problems. ] (]) 13:14, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
:Alright, I think that does it with all the table re-arranging. Hope y'all like it.
:* Before:
:* After:
:] (]) 05:40, 2 January 2024 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2024 ==
== CN tower ==

CN Tower in Toronto is taller than One World Trade ] (]) 20:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

== Outdated Tables ==

The Alternative Measurements section is extremely flawed since it hasn't been updated due to lack of information such as Height to Occupied Floor, Height to Pinnacle, and Height to Roof. Is it possible that we either update the tables or even just remove it entirely? ] (]) 15:06, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2024 ==


{{Edit semi-protected|List of tallest buildings|answered=yes}} {{Edit semi-protected|List of tallest buildings|answered=yes}}
This article does not include the CN Tower, built in 1976 in Toronto, Canada, which was the tallest free-standing building from 1976 until 2007. ] (]) 23:31, 26 February 2024 (UTC) after Burj khalifa ] -->data ] --> data ] --> data --> fill in the data spots ] (]) 23:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> The CN Tower is not a building by the definition provided at the very top of the article: {{tq|Tall buildings, such as skyscrapers, are intended here as enclosed structures with continuously occupiable floors and a height of at least 340 metres (1,120 ft). Such definition excludes non-building structures, such as towers.}} You may be looking instead for ], linked at the top of the article, which does include the CN Tower. ] (]) 09:43, 27 February 2024 (UTC) :] '''Not done''': it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 23:34, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
== Hong Kong and Macau ==
{{Ping|ScottishFinnishRadish}} {{Diff|diff=prev|oldid=1139115850}} Are Nikkei and the Economist not considered reliable sources? ] (]) 07:40, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

== Change the definition in the intro ==

The intro to that page says: "(…) and a height of at least 340 metres (1,120 ft)."


== Edit the list. ==
But according to ] (and its sources) "Modern sources define skyscrapers as being at least 100 meters (330 ft) or 150 meters (490 ft) in height".


If the "The Tower of Jida is under construction. Then Lakhta Center 2 in St. Petersburg should also be considered under construction. The height is 703 meters. Make the appropriate edits. ] (]) 20:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Can we change it? ] (]) 12:03, 21 March 2024 (UTC)


== List of 94 tallest actually contains 95 ==
== Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2024 ==


There are two at 88 followed by 89, which should be 90 instead. ] (]) 20:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
{{edit semi-protected|List of tallest buildings|answered=no}}
Egypt is building a 1000m skyscraper, Obelisco Capitale. It should be added to the list of tallest buildings under construction: https://en.wikipedia.org/Oblisco_Capitale ] (]) 08:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add the CN tower to the list

The CN tower held the record of tallest building in the world for more than 30 years and isn’t on the list. Whoever put this article together is a moron. 2607:F2C0:E34C:3980:1C37:55A0:2A87:D96A (talk) 17:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

The CN Tower does not meet most definitions of "building." It does not have floors continuously from the ground. Allowing structures that violate requirements like this would see us putting things like radio masts on the list (the tallest of which is 628 m which is 75 m taller than the CN Tower). Linktex (talk) 12:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Would you care to address the related general question I've raised below, please? GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Inconsistencies

There are several inconsistencies in this page, which I feel should be addressed.

A simple one is that the Tianjin CTF Finance Centre is listed as the tallest building in the world with fewer than 100 floors; but two places above it in the table is One World Trade Center, which also has fewer than 100 floors and is 11.3 metres taller.

A trickier one is the statment near the top of the article that "Such definition excludes non-building structures, such as towers." I don't believe most people would believe that 'towers' is a proper subset of 'non-building structures'. ('Non-building structures' is a terribly clunky phrase anyway.) 21 of the top 50 buildings currently on this list have the word 'tower' in their names, either in English or in Arabic or both. I think most native English speakers would agree that as a matter of fact, every building on this page is or includes a tower. I appreciate that there's got to be some logic for separating things that are obviously usable buildings from other structures like radio masts - but declaring that towers aren't buildings seems absurd on the face of it.

I'm interested in other editors' thoughts on this. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

We already have a list of tallest towers article which explains why they are considered separate from buildings: to quote it, a tower is "a tall human structure, always taller than it is wide, for public or regular operational access by humans, but not for living in or office work". This is a fairly well defined, well accepted category that separates it from buildings, and doesn't just mean anything with the word "tower" in it. For example, despite its name, The Clock Towers of Mecca is considered a building as most of its space is used as a hotel, compared to something like Elizabeth Tower/Big Ben where most of its space is just a staircase to the clockwork at the top (not counting the rest of the Palace of Westminster) PolarManne (talk) 10:07, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
The 'engineering definition of a tower' given in list of tallest towers comes from CTBUH, who are also two of the three cited sources, and the indirect source for the third. The CTBUH page itself relies excessively on primary sources. I propose that the CTBUH is not a neutral source when it comes to these definitions - its focus on 'urban habitat' provides a biased motive for using habitable floors as a criterion, and it is in fact a lobbying organisation dedicated the promotion of tall buildings. To anyone outside this echo chamber, the provided definition of a tower is nonsense. The typical reader would expect that the many buildings on this page which call themselves towers would be classified as towers. Plenty of people live in towers, and it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that those towers aren't towers just because CTBUH wants demarcation. It seems to me that Misplaced Pages's coverage of tall building records generally relies excessively on CTBUH as a source, and it's distorting things to the point that we're essentially saying that up is down. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:29, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Tokyo Skytree

I noticed the omission of Tokyo Skytree. Finished in 2011 and standing at 634 meters, it would rank 3rd on the list.

Is there a reason for this omission, or should it be added?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Tokyo_Skytree Jonymul (talk) 12:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Tokyo Skytree lacks any habitable floors, and it's a tower. So it doesn't qualify as a building in any means. G0dzillaboy02 (talk) 09:10, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Lacking habitable floors makes sense, but 'it's a tower' is a circular argument - please see my unanswered query in the preceding section. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:58, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2024

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after Burj khalifa Jeddah Tower -->data Dubai Creek Tower --> data Oblisco Capitale --> data --> fill in the data spots FBIGUY81 (talk) 23:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 23:34, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Edit the list.

If the "The Tower of Jida is under construction. Then Lakhta Center 2 in St. Petersburg should also be considered under construction. The height is 703 meters. Make the appropriate edits. 212.3.142.72 (talk) 20:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

List of 94 tallest actually contains 95

There are two at 88 followed by 89, which should be 90 instead. 73.98.66.253 (talk) 20:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

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