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The CN tower held the record of tallest building in the world for more than 30 years and isn’t on the list. Whoever put this article together is a moron. ] (]) 17:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
The two most important columns are the name and height. Overall the column order could be rearranged as: | |||
:The CN Tower does not meet most definitions of "building." It does not have floors continuously from the ground. Allowing structures that violate requirements like this would see us putting things like radio masts on the list (the tallest of which is 628 m which is 75 m taller than the CN Tower). ] (]) 12:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
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::Would you care to address the related general question I've raised below, please? ] (]) 16:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
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* Height m/ft | |||
* Floors / {{abbr|B|Below ground floors}} | |||
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* Coordinates (if kept at all, takes up lots of space for little value) | |||
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== Inconsistencies == | |||
A map already shows where the very tallest buildings are, and each building's article has them as well. ] (]) 02:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
There are several inconsistencies in this page, which I feel should be addressed. | |||
:I removed the coordinates, so the table is about as squished as it's going to be. Please comment on how it looks so far. | |||
:Still need to move the number columns over and fix some alignment problems. ] (]) 13:14, 1 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
:Alright, I think that does it with all the table re-arranging. Hope y'all like it. | |||
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:] (]) 05:40, 2 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
:@Tgbsww Can you say why you think this version is an improvement over this version. Seems like the column order should prioritize height, and the row size should prioritize comparisons rather than thumbnails of fairly similar buildings. ] (]) 21:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
::@] ] (]) 15:23, 26 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
A simple one is that the Tianjin CTF Finance Centre is listed as the tallest building in the world with fewer than 100 floors; but two places above it in the table is One World Trade Center, which also has fewer than 100 floors and is 11.3 metres taller. | |||
== Hong Kong and Macau == | |||
{{Ping|ScottishFinnishRadish}} {{Diff|diff=prev|oldid=1139115850}} Are Nikkei and the Economist not considered reliable sources? ] (]) 07:40, 14 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
A trickier one is the statment near the top of the article that "Such definition excludes non-building structures, such as towers." I don't believe most people would believe that 'towers' is a proper subset of 'non-building structures'. ('Non-building structures' is a terribly clunky phrase anyway.) 21 of the top 50 buildings currently on this list have the word 'tower' in their names, either in English or in Arabic or both. I think most native English speakers would agree that as a matter of fact, ''every'' building on this page is or includes a tower. I appreciate that there's got to be some logic for separating things that are obviously usable buildings from other structures like radio masts - but declaring that ''towers aren't buildings'' seems absurd on the face of it. | |||
== Change the definition in the intro == | |||
I'm interested in other editors' thoughts on this. ] (]) 12:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
The intro to that page says: "(…) and a height of at least 340 metres (1,120 ft)." | |||
:We already have a ] article which explains why they are considered separate from buildings: to quote it, a tower is "a tall human structure, always taller than it is wide, for public or regular operational access by humans, '''but not for living in or office work'''". This is a fairly well defined, well accepted category that separates it from buildings, and doesn't just mean anything with the word "tower" in it. For example, despite its name, ] of Mecca is considered a building as most of its space is used as a hotel, compared to something like Elizabeth Tower/] where most of its space is just a staircase to the clockwork at the top (not counting the rest of the ]) ] (]) 10:07, 24 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
But according to ] (and its sources) "Modern sources define skyscrapers as being at least 100 meters (330 ft) or 150 meters (490 ft) in height". | |||
::The 'engineering definition of a tower' given in ] comes from CTBUH, who are also two of the three cited sources, and the indirect source for the third. The ] page itself relies excessively on primary sources. I propose that the CTBUH is not a neutral source when it comes to these definitions - its focus on 'urban habitat' provides a biased motive for using habitable floors as a criterion, and it is in fact a lobbying organisation dedicated the promotion of tall buildings. To anyone outside this echo chamber, the provided definition of a tower is nonsense. The typical reader would expect that the many buildings on ''this'' page which call themselves towers would be classified as towers. Plenty of people live in towers, and it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that those towers aren't towers just because CTBUH wants demarcation. It seems to me that Misplaced Pages's coverage of tall building records generally relies excessively on CTBUH as a source, and it's distorting things to the point that we're essentially saying that up is down. ] (]) 15:29, 24 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
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== Tokyo Skytree == | |||
:No. That would make this list way too long. This a list of ''tallest'' buildings. One can quibble over the exact cutoff, which has since been raised to 350. But buildings that are "100 meters (330 ft)" or even "150 meters (490 ft)" are clearly not among the tallest. A list with tens of thousands of entries would be useless trivia and impossible to contain on a single page anyway given the limitations of the Mediawiki software. In fact the cutoff will need another bump of 10+ meters sooner or later given the pace of worldwide construction. ] (]) 22:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
I noticed the omission of Tokyo Skytree. Finished in 2011 and standing at 634 meters, it would rank 3rd on the list. | |||
== Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2024 == | |||
Is there a reason for this omission, or should it be added? | |||
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Egypt is building a 1000m skyscraper, Obelisco Capitale. It should be added to the list of tallest buildings under construction: https://en.wikipedia.org/Oblisco_Capitale ] (]) 08:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> I cannot find any sources stating that the building is actually under construction – it looks like it's so far just a proposal. If it is indeed under construction, please provide a source indicating that and I will be happy to add it to the list. ] (]) 09:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)bruhhfhfjjsks | |||
:It is not yet approved, or even formally proposed, but rather a vision newspapers covering the topic refer to as a concept . The vast majority of vision/concepts are never built, however if does ever become a formal proposal with a developer that is seriously interested in executing the project as evidenced in reliable secondary sources then it may be worth adding. ] (]) 21:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
⚫ | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Tokyo_Skytree ] (]) 12:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC) | ||
== Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2024 == | |||
:Tokyo Skytree lacks any habitable floors, and it's a tower. So it doesn't qualify as a building in any means. ] (]) 09:10, 2 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
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In ], please remove ] listed on the article section "buildings under construction" because it is not under construction with reliable sources in line with WP:OP state that there are no intentions to build it, and it is the reason why the protection is put in place to begin with. ] (]) 06:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
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::Lacking habitable floors makes sense, but 'it's a tower' is a circular argument - please see my unanswered query in the preceding section. ] (]) 12:58, 5 August 2024 (UTC) | ||
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== Edit the list. == | ||
If the "The Tower of Jida is under construction. Then Lakhta Center 2 in St. Petersburg should also be considered under construction. The height is 703 meters. Make the appropriate edits. ] (]) 20:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
== List of 94 tallest actually contains 95 == | |||
There are two at 88 followed by 89, which should be 90 instead. ] (]) 20:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC) |
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Add the CN tower to the list
The CN tower held the record of tallest building in the world for more than 30 years and isn’t on the list. Whoever put this article together is a moron. 2607:F2C0:E34C:3980:1C37:55A0:2A87:D96A (talk) 17:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- The CN Tower does not meet most definitions of "building." It does not have floors continuously from the ground. Allowing structures that violate requirements like this would see us putting things like radio masts on the list (the tallest of which is 628 m which is 75 m taller than the CN Tower). Linktex (talk) 12:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- Would you care to address the related general question I've raised below, please? GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Inconsistencies
There are several inconsistencies in this page, which I feel should be addressed.
A simple one is that the Tianjin CTF Finance Centre is listed as the tallest building in the world with fewer than 100 floors; but two places above it in the table is One World Trade Center, which also has fewer than 100 floors and is 11.3 metres taller.
A trickier one is the statment near the top of the article that "Such definition excludes non-building structures, such as towers." I don't believe most people would believe that 'towers' is a proper subset of 'non-building structures'. ('Non-building structures' is a terribly clunky phrase anyway.) 21 of the top 50 buildings currently on this list have the word 'tower' in their names, either in English or in Arabic or both. I think most native English speakers would agree that as a matter of fact, every building on this page is or includes a tower. I appreciate that there's got to be some logic for separating things that are obviously usable buildings from other structures like radio masts - but declaring that towers aren't buildings seems absurd on the face of it.
I'm interested in other editors' thoughts on this. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- We already have a list of tallest towers article which explains why they are considered separate from buildings: to quote it, a tower is "a tall human structure, always taller than it is wide, for public or regular operational access by humans, but not for living in or office work". This is a fairly well defined, well accepted category that separates it from buildings, and doesn't just mean anything with the word "tower" in it. For example, despite its name, The Clock Towers of Mecca is considered a building as most of its space is used as a hotel, compared to something like Elizabeth Tower/Big Ben where most of its space is just a staircase to the clockwork at the top (not counting the rest of the Palace of Westminster) PolarManne (talk) 10:07, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- The 'engineering definition of a tower' given in list of tallest towers comes from CTBUH, who are also two of the three cited sources, and the indirect source for the third. The CTBUH page itself relies excessively on primary sources. I propose that the CTBUH is not a neutral source when it comes to these definitions - its focus on 'urban habitat' provides a biased motive for using habitable floors as a criterion, and it is in fact a lobbying organisation dedicated the promotion of tall buildings. To anyone outside this echo chamber, the provided definition of a tower is nonsense. The typical reader would expect that the many buildings on this page which call themselves towers would be classified as towers. Plenty of people live in towers, and it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that those towers aren't towers just because CTBUH wants demarcation. It seems to me that Misplaced Pages's coverage of tall building records generally relies excessively on CTBUH as a source, and it's distorting things to the point that we're essentially saying that up is down. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:29, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Tokyo Skytree
I noticed the omission of Tokyo Skytree. Finished in 2011 and standing at 634 meters, it would rank 3rd on the list.
Is there a reason for this omission, or should it be added?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Tokyo_Skytree Jonymul (talk) 12:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Tokyo Skytree lacks any habitable floors, and it's a tower. So it doesn't qualify as a building in any means. G0dzillaboy02 (talk) 09:10, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Lacking habitable floors makes sense, but 'it's a tower' is a circular argument - please see my unanswered query in the preceding section. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:58, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
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after Burj khalifa Jeddah Tower -->data Dubai Creek Tower --> data Oblisco Capitale --> data --> fill in the data spots FBIGUY81 (talk) 23:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 23:34, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Edit the list.
If the "The Tower of Jida is under construction. Then Lakhta Center 2 in St. Petersburg should also be considered under construction. The height is 703 meters. Make the appropriate edits. 212.3.142.72 (talk) 20:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
List of 94 tallest actually contains 95
There are two at 88 followed by 89, which should be 90 instead. 73.98.66.253 (talk) 20:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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