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"Siva is no more a name for G-d than the Holy Spirit" --- |
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Except of course, that a lot of christians do think that 'Holy Spirit' is a name for G-d. |
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Indeed. See the entry for the ] for the historical understanding of the ] held by Catholic, |
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Eastern Orthodox, and many Protestant Christians.. It's not at all clear to me what the author means by saying the Holy Spirit is a 'facet' of God, or by saying that Christ 'developed' Christianity from Judaism. |
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my goodness. This '''is''' an exceptionally inaccurate treatment of Christianity, which makes me wonder how accurate a treatment of Shaivism it can possibly be! 'Facet'-language for the Holy Spirit is modalist, I ''think'' the author to mean. In which case it is not a correct presentation of orthodox Christian theology, but some sort of reinterpretation. And by the way history of religion folks are DEEPLY divided on the origins of religion in animism - lots of them (based on study of religion in remaining hunter/gatherer groups) like to talk about a kind of primitive monotheism. Not that I think much of anthropologists in general when they talk about religion before the invention of writing, but it's worth noting that this article asserts something that is not simply accepted by everryone. --MichaelTinkler |
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These last few sentences are either inaccurate (modalism applied to the Trinity - not accurate Christian theology) or gratuitous (the Buddha bit - what's it doing in a Siva article?): |
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:''Siva is no more a name for ] than the ]--Siva is a facet of atman just as the Spirit is a facet of the ]. ] developed ] from Hinduism in an analogous fashion to ] developing ] from ].'' |
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== semi protected edit request Countries of worship == |
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Shiva is also widely worshipped in Mauritius, Thailand and Sri Lanka. These have some of the oldest idols and biggest temples of the deity. Can someone edit countries of worship please. ] (]) 18:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Comment. == |
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<s>Rm] , not a full Lengthy content in info main box, i already edit by good faith by adding word text in other names as clearly, someone is reverted |
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Is Any can plz reverted as good version my edit in viewed history. |
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CC : @] ] 03:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--></s> <small>Blocked sock ] (]) 16:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</small> |
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:I'm sorry, but you're comment is incomprehensible. ] - ] 06:53, 19 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::Atleast can you plz reverted my edit in vishnu wikipedia, i added neutral point of view, but that account unnecessary target me with doubt. my comment is comprehensivle in vishnu wiki history, plz see and accept it by reverted my edit as last is good version. I kindly request to you. ] 07:30, 19 June 2024 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--></s> <small>Blocked sock ] (]) 16:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</small> |
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:::This is gibberish. I don't mean to be unkind, but I think you should stick to editing in your native language, because it's clear you do not speak English, even though you may you think you do. ] (]) 08:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2024 == |
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I would like to inform an popular, alternate and very important name for Shiva that is not mentioned in this article. Shiva is also referred to as Lord Isar/Eesar, in the Northwestern States of India such as Rajastan, Haryana, and Punjab. One source for this is "The Religions of India: A Concise Guide to Nine Major Faiths", which on this page(https://books.google.com/books?id=pNmfdAKFpkQC&pg=PA123#v=onepage&q&f=false) describes the Ganguar festival involving Shiva as going by the name Isar. Secondly, in the Sikh Japji Sahib, an important religious source written in 1604, in Pauri 9(https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Japji_Sahib_Pauri_9) Shiva is referred to as Eesar. I hope you can add this as an alternate name for Shiva along Mahadeva and Hara, as shown below: |
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"Shiva (/ˈʃɪvə/; Sanskrit: शिव, lit. 'The Auspicious One', IAST: Śiva ), also known as Mahadeva (/məˈhɑː ˈdeɪvə/; Sanskrit: महादेव:, lit. 'The Great God', IAST: Mahādevaḥ, , Hara, or Isar, is one of the principal deities of Hinduism. He is the Supreme Being in Shaivism, one of the major traditions within Hinduism." ] (]) 13:39, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> We cannot cite wikis as they are ], and the book source is a ]. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 10:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Shiva and Vishnu == |
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<s>Read ], |
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No including large content in info, users added sectarian bias. |
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Remove God of time, It's already mentioned as Mahakal in other names. And also Remove Cosmic Dancer , Its meaning is Nataraj , add to his affiliation. |
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Why so much, you not accepted and also add content for Vishnu as Ultimate reality to Narayana and supreme truth as purushottam. |
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Please treat equal to all and this user @] |
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Always add sectarian bias his God, but anyone added related to Vishnu, this user reverted, what a irony, this @] removed Narayana astra weapon to Vishnu not Vishnu uses, but why not removed shiva weapon pashupathastra , pashupathastar also shiva weapon but he didn't use, why removed Vishnu weapon from info, and add to shiva |
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why so much injustice. |
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More info to shiva but less info and old image to Vishnu, |
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This is very bad taste and bad light and very painful to all. |
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@ ] (]) 13:38, 25 August 2024 (UTC)</s> <small>Blocked sock ] (]) 16:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</small> |
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:I returned back to Wiki just to save the Mahabharata articles from the sockpuppets of ] and limiting myself to edit the articles related to ] only. Currently, I have no interest in participating in debates related to sects, which irritated me so much that I had to quit few years back. Kindly, don't reach out to me for this. Also please familiarise with Wiki policies, the article ] is classified as a ], so it's obvious it would be better written.]<sup>]]</sup> 15:04, 25 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== Giving up against sockpuppetry == |
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@] @] @] @] can anyone of you revert the edit done by @] as that information is not unsourced, the reference is provided under reference no.21 in the article, I can't do that as I am not extend confirmed user. Firstly changing the image in article Vishnu with the regional image provided by the sockpuppet of @] and now removing the sourced information from this article to appease the sockpuppet, this sockpuppet creates atleast 10 sock accounts everyday, vandalising the articles left and right and you are boosting his morale by basically giving up against his biased demands, what makes you think this sockpuppet will stop with his sectarian bias and vandalism in future? @] ] (]) 19:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:I have reverted those myself if they are sourced; I thought they lacked citations as other remarks had citations to them, earlier it didn't had all other except for god of destruction and supreme being. However, I have kept what I changed in consort field (RS from Doniger provided); other than that please feel to revert that if you think so. Yes, I will refrain myself from participating from pan-Hinduism related discussion and only focus on Mahabharata articles for which I joined the platform. Regards ]<sup>]]</sup> 20:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:], I agree, this appeasment is not a wise or sustainable practice. ] (]) 21:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:just shut up you fool @], i know you are anti vaishnavas, added less main info and old img for vishnu. |
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:If they were removed as unsourced why you worried that link are provided under article, this shows that you are Shiva bhakt and vishnu dweshis, i already know that you edit hindi wiki on shiva page . |
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:Is that shiva main info box word looks like whatsppp chat not looks like encyclopedia, adding 3 to 4 info source tip to vishnu and you added more than 7 info unnecessary for shiva , isnt unnecessary infobox crowding. Such as Patron of yog, bhog, master of arts, these are already described in articke then Why adding to top, why you didnt add to vishnu, answers me, if you didnt response or changes made, truth shows that all users are Vishnudveshis . |
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:What a propaganda ! |
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::<s>@], Are you happy now, when again repalce image while adding old image. ] (]) 10:12, 28 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:::whats wrong with wiki users, why they promote supremacy, this user @] is shivaa devotee, this @] add so many content on sectarian bias with link, but why anyone not adding vishnu info, this shows you are jealous on lord vishnu, if you follow wikipedia rules, then add old image of shiva in wiki. |
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:::very politics, bad light and bad taste for me , this is not good, even encyclopedia is much better than wikipedia. |
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:::I never use wikipedia. Good bye.......... ] (]) 10:16, 28 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:Yesterday i think, i never use wiki in future life, all are ok, but again revert and shows supremacy to shiva, |
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:Answer my questions. |
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:Why so much info on shiva while comparing to vishnu. |
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:Why old image for vishnu, when good statue to shiva, if cant accept then add old img for shiva, stop supremecay, then will be justice and remove so much info on shiva, or add more info on vishnu equally to shiva, thats it.......................... |
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::if wiki users promote good article equally to all, and there is no pointed, not necessary for me while create accounts to edits. |
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:::Why no one responses/.? answer anyone. lols ] (]) 08:14, 29 August 2024 (UTC) |
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::::so many people jeaulous to Lord vishnu for eg in wiki, such as Dasanudasa and red tiger and all fake shiva Andha Bhaktas and so called fools and rascals. ] (]) 08:18, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</s> <small>Blocked sock ] (]) 16:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</small> |
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::::The reason why no one is answering is because everything you write is incomprehensible gibberish. ] (]) 09:23, 29 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== Shiva is Destroyer of World , Which Purana mentions it ? == |
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Shiva is destroyer of egoic structures. He reduces to ash through his fiery power. But is the future destroyer of the World. If he was destroyer of World , he would have been prayed as anti to Vishnu. I think book refer to him as fiercely powerful God, who destroys evil from world. Regenerates a better version of egoic powers. Like he did with KaamDev and Ravana, making them more humble by his powers. |
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Calling him destryoer in second para is incomplete |
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One of the source of J Gonda I checked and it calls him a absorber instead of destroyer. |
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Destroyer of Evil through his fierce powers, should be used to convey complete meaning. ] (]) 07:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC) |
Shiva is also widely worshipped in Mauritius, Thailand and Sri Lanka. These have some of the oldest idols and biggest temples of the deity. Can someone edit countries of worship please. Reena.shiva (talk) 18:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
I would like to inform an popular, alternate and very important name for Shiva that is not mentioned in this article. Shiva is also referred to as Lord Isar/Eesar, in the Northwestern States of India such as Rajastan, Haryana, and Punjab. One source for this is "The Religions of India: A Concise Guide to Nine Major Faiths", which on this page(https://books.google.com/books?id=pNmfdAKFpkQC&pg=PA123#v=onepage&q&f=false) describes the Ganguar festival involving Shiva as going by the name Isar. Secondly, in the Sikh Japji Sahib, an important religious source written in 1604, in Pauri 9(https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Japji_Sahib_Pauri_9) Shiva is referred to as Eesar. I hope you can add this as an alternate name for Shiva along Mahadeva and Hara, as shown below:
"Shiva (/ˈʃɪvə/; Sanskrit: शिव, lit. 'The Auspicious One', IAST: Śiva ), also known as Mahadeva (/məˈhɑː ˈdeɪvə/; Sanskrit: महादेव:, lit. 'The Great God', IAST: Mahādevaḥ, , Hara, or Isar, is one of the principal deities of Hinduism. He is the Supreme Being in Shaivism, one of the major traditions within Hinduism." Vgolf31 (talk) 13:39, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Shiva is destroyer of egoic structures. He reduces to ash through his fiery power. But is the future destroyer of the World. If he was destroyer of World , he would have been prayed as anti to Vishnu. I think book refer to him as fiercely powerful God, who destroys evil from world. Regenerates a better version of egoic powers. Like he did with KaamDev and Ravana, making them more humble by his powers.
One of the source of J Gonda I checked and it calls him a absorber instead of destroyer.
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Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. We cannot cite wikis as they are user generated, and the book source is a trivial mention. ''']''' (talk • contribs) 10:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC)