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== Good to see you back ==
==Get well soon==
Hope you are feeling better shortly! - ] (]) 12:19, 20 July 2020 (UTC)


For however long it may be. - <span style="color:#6B8E23">ZLEA</span> <sub>]</sub><span style="color:#6B8E23">\</span><sup>]</sup> 01:13, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Best wishes for a speedy recovery. ] 12:25, 20 July 2020 (UTC)


Hang in. ] (]) 15:13, 20 July 2020 (UTC) :Thanks. I'm not sure how long it'll be either. We'll see. ] (]) 01:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
::whichever - it is good to see you here... ] 01:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
:::*Thanks. I missed all those by the sock from down your way. Hilarious. It's nice to know I live free in his head. {{smiley}} ] (]) 01:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
:::Agree with JarrahTree. Welcome, be it a short or long stay. -- ] (]) 01:33, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
::::Thanks! ] (]) 01:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
:::::Yes, glad to see you back. ] (]) 16:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. I've slowed down a little the past couple weeks, but we'll see how it goes for the next few. ] (]) 00:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Oi. Too funny. Yah, we are all here. Still ] (]) 05:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Yes! You were one of my Wiki mentors! Glade to see you! ] (]) 03:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

:::::::: whatever - here there or whereever!!! ] 11:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:Welcome semi-back.'''<span style="font-family: Arial;">] <small>]</small></span>''' 13:20, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

== Sikorsky S-72 ==

If it’s not proper to link the Sikorsky S-72’s emergency extraction system to ejection seat, a brief explanation of the difference on the page would be nice. ] (]) 03:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

== Oh this is rather good ... ==

So Cheers ] (]) 10:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. Know-it-all IPs rub me the wrong way. ] (]) 00:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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== Royal Canadian Air Force ==
:Thanks all. I do appreciate it very much. - ] (]) 18:11, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Feel better!] (]) 14:18, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


Looks like that IP has been blocked. BTW, thanks for the thanks, and welcome back. Hope you can stay. ] <sub>]</sub> 22:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks! - ] (]) 16:35, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


:No problem. I'm still mostly retired, but I'm watchlisting close to a thousand pages. I had nearly 30,000 when I retired last year. ] (]) 09:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
== Bombardier C series ==


:* Thanks for anything you can do BilCat! ] (]) 19:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
hi


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Appreciate your point, but the other points outweighed it for me


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1. Started pre 2010, with 2. letters of intent in 2008


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Can we at least agree on that before continuing? ] (]) 05:55, 21 July 2020 (UTC)


:Before continuing to do what? - ] (]) 07:34, 21 July 2020 (UTC) <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">] (]) 19:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC) </bdi>
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== ] == == B-2 Spirit ==


I could not find a source that called it the "Stealth Bomber" instead of the B-2 Spirit as a name, rather than a descriptor.
OK, I accept that the heading wasn't the best place to link ]: so where should it be linked from. I've no doubt there should be a link somewhere on the page - I was in that article and wanting to get to the article about the country, and didn't expect to have to type it in the box. But the only other occurrence of "Jamaica" in the lead or the first section is in the phrase "Jamaican Independence Day", and that seemed an even worse place to link. What do you suggest? --] (]) 18:38, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


:{{yo|ColinFine}} It'll take some creative writing in the lead. I'll take a look, and see if I can find a place to slip it in. - ] (]) 20:29, 22 July 2020 (UTC) Do you know what source referred to it as such, especially capitalized? ] (]) 23:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)


:I searched for "B-2 stealth bomber", and found many mentions, both capitalized and not, from a wide variety of sources. But this is better discussed on the article's talk page so that others can participate. ] (]) 00:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
== Wingtip device article ==


== "Redirected here" ==
If you thanked me for removing a fake image of a Airbus plane (A317) that does not exist, why did you revert my deletion of the image? ] (]) 10:50, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


<del>Hey Bill - just noting that ~~its ] that redirects to ], not ] which, as an aircraft that was actually built and flown, really should have its own page already! - ] <sub>]</sub> 08:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</del>
:{{yo|David notMD}} Because I'm a doofus! I was trying to revert further back, but reverted to the wrong diff, and didn't double-check my work. Thanks for catching it, and feel free to apply Trout. I'll try to be more careful. - ] (]) 18:06, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
:HUh, how did I miss that the latter ''did'' redirect? Bah, I need more caffiene! - ] <sub>]</sub> 08:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
::Because I just created it, and tagged it as a Redirect with Possibilities. I wish we could still link those, but that seems to be the way things are done now. Red links are no longer considered a good thing like they used to be, at least in practice. ] (]) 08:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)


::And yeah, we should have an article on it, but I'm not sure it would survive an AFD. That's the was things go now too. Misplaced Pages's been around long enough, and is many people's first stop for info. I think it high time we relaxed notability to include local only sources. ] (]) 08:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
== EC-47 edits ==
:::I'm pretty sure it would, if only I had the time to scratch up the sources. It does seem a lot of grognards have too much time on their hands and consider GNG to be less "general" and more "strict" though! - ] <sub>]</sub> 08:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Yup. I'm mostly active again on American aircraft articles, but still semi-retired on the rest of Misplaced Pages. Still too many stupid things going on Misplaced Pages for me to unretire completely. ] (]) 08:54, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::hey bil glad to see your semi back best regards, ] (]) 06:28, 15 November 2024 (UTC)


== A kitten for you! ==
The reason I tried to correct the EC-47 information came from an informed website (http://www.ec47.com/ec-47-serial-numbers-and-data).
The entry indicates that C-47A & C-47D were modified to EC-47N/P/Q when in fact only C-47A & C-47B were modified as such. The C-47D was a modified C-47A (power plant changes) that never got modified to EC-47 status. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:37, 23 July 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


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== Hyphen ==
hi i didn't think a barn-star was needed for this but i wanted to say thanks for helping me during my time on Misplaced Pages


best regards, ] (]) 04:21, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
Why do you insist on a hyphen, as in 1781-1789, rather than an en-dash, as in 1781–1789, the latter being prescribed by ]? ] (]) 00:47, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
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== SR ==
:I didn't even notice that, but to be honest, that's a guideline I don't pay much attention to anyway. I can barely even ''see'' a difference between a hyphen and an en-dash on my tablet screen, my eyes are so bad. I normally just use hyphens when I type, and leave it to others to sort it all out. It's all too confusing, and so different from what I was taught in English and typing classes over 30 years ago. And it seems to change every few years here anyway. IIRC, the n-dash between dates was only put in the MOS in the last couple of years, but I could be wrong on the timing. But I'll try to be more careful in the future. - ] (]) 01:42, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
:: I'm astonished that you think it was only in the last couple of years. It goes back at least 15 years. I remember in about 2009 wondering why some people were _still_ not aware of it. ] (]) 18:41, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
:::If I can interject here, I often see the same issue. There has never been any degree of actual day-to-day "editing consensus" on hyphens, vs endash, vs emdash vs etc, regardless of MOS, policy or guidelines. My keyboard doesn't have an endash or emdash key, only a hyphen key. Oh, I know how to write them in HTML5, but that is not appreciated here, so, like Bill, I write my articles with hyphens only. Often other editors appear and change everything to endashes, emdashes, double hyphens or something else, always quoting some MOS page or other. I just leave them. Then, soon, another editor will show up and change them again, quoting some other MOS interpretation. And, then, some time later, another editor will appear, MOS in hand, and change them all back to hyphens. I just watch and get on with writing articles. Outside my window the trees sprout leaves in the spring, are green all summer and then they fall to the ground in autumn, the trees sit dormant all winter and then the leaves grow back in the spring. So it is with hyphens and dashes. Perhaps my next computer will have an endash or emdash key on it. Perhaps the hyphen and dash warriors will call a truce and come up with a policy that makes some sense. Perhaps the leaves will stop falling in the autumn, too. - ] (]) 19:05, 26 July 2020 (UTC)


I'm not sure ] agrees, but thanx, - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">] <small>(])</small></span> 23:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Exactly. - ] (]) 19:18, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
*Hey, BilCat, have you any idea what was going on here ? I want to be clear I'm not accusing you of anything, but the interaction is just so ''weird''. Maybe he just ''wishes'' he were you? ]] 00:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
:Stop, I made a mistake, I'm who I am, chill out. Leave BilCat of of it, danm. - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">] <small>(])</small></span> 01:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|EEng#s}}How in the hell do you get, "me whishing" anytghing, I'm talking to you, and I'm FlightTime. Quit trying to confuse the issue "I" brought to '''You''' UFB - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">] <small>(])</small></span> 01:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
::Sorry BilCat. - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">] <small>(])</small></span> 01:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)


== GE90 ==
{{od}} There actually a number of questionable guidelines I'm no longer enforcing. I'm not purposefully violating them, but I'm not expending any effort to revert them when I see them. We have far too many guidelines in the MOS as a whole, and unfortunately many contradict each other. There are also far too many users in Misplaced Pages whose sole or primary purpose appears to be to write as many new guidelines as possible. Most of them are trying to enforce their own narrow prescriptivist grammar rules, and they really have no interest in actually writing for an encyclopedia. I tend to ignore those users and their rules. - ] (]) 21:40, 27 July 2020 (UTC)


I just changed some of the info to be more consistent with the ]. For instance the 777-300 was never ordered with the GE90, so that combination was never certified with the FAA. Also, the production 777F is often more specifically referred to as the 777-200LRF, in order to distinguish it from the 777-300ERSF conversion. ] (]) 03:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Sometimes enforcing the MOS is just tedious work, especially to enforce guidelines I really don't agree with in the first place. I already reverted ] once today, only to subsequently discover that they've been making the same types of edits to dozens of articles for several days. I'm beginning to remember why I retired last year! - ] (]) 01:04, 31 July 2020 (UTC)


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Last time I checked your user page, it showed that you were retired. The reason I remember your username is because you were the first one to 'thank' my edits back in 2017 (] and ]) when I was very young and naive on this project. I hope you well soon and would like to take the opportunity to welcome you back. Stay safe. Regards, ]&nbsp;(]) 20:35, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

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Good to see you back

For however long it may be. - ZLEA T\ 01:13, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not sure how long it'll be either. We'll see. BilCat (talk) 01:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
whichever - it is good to see you here... JarrahTree 01:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Agree with JarrahTree. Welcome, be it a short or long stay. -- Euryalus (talk) 01:33, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Thanks! BilCat (talk) 01:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Yes, glad to see you back. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. I've slowed down a little the past couple weeks, but we'll see how it goes for the next few. BilCat (talk) 00:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Oi. Too funny. Yah, we are all here. Still beny (talk) 05:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes! You were one of my Wiki mentors! Glade to see you! Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 03:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

whatever - here there or whereever!!! JarrahTree 11:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Welcome semi-back.Acroterion (talk) 13:20, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Sikorsky S-72

If it’s not proper to link the Sikorsky S-72’s emergency extraction system to ejection seat, a brief explanation of the difference on the page would be nice. RickyCourtney (talk) 03:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh this is rather good ...

So nicely put! Cheers DBaK (talk) 10:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Know-it-all IPs rub me the wrong way. BilCat (talk) 00:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Calendar emojiHappy First Edit Day!
Hi BilCat! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of the day you made your first edit and became a Wikipedian! The Herald (Benison) (talk) 06:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC) 		Party popper emoji

Royal Canadian Air Force

Looks like that IP has been blocked. BTW, thanks for the thanks, and welcome back. Hope you can stay.  BC  talk to me 22:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

No problem. I'm still mostly retired, but I'm watchlisting close to a thousand pages. I had nearly 30,000 when I retired last year. BilCat (talk) 09:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in a research

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B-2 Spirit

I could not find a source that called it the "Stealth Bomber" instead of the B-2 Spirit as a name, rather than a descriptor.

Do you know what source referred to it as such, especially capitalized? FinnSoThin (talk) 23:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I searched for "B-2 stealth bomber", and found many mentions, both capitalized and not, from a wide variety of sources. But this is better discussed on the article's talk page so that others can participate. BilCat (talk) 00:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

"Redirected here"

Hey Bill - just noting that ~~its Northrop Grumman Model 400 that redirects to T-X program, not Scaled Composites Model 400 Swift which, as an aircraft that was actually built and flown, really should have its own page already! - The Bushranger One ping only 08:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

HUh, how did I miss that the latter did redirect? Bah, I need more caffiene! - The Bushranger One ping only 08:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Because I just created it, and tagged it as a Redirect with Possibilities. I wish we could still link those, but that seems to be the way things are done now. Red links are no longer considered a good thing like they used to be, at least in practice. BilCat (talk) 08:40, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
And yeah, we should have an article on it, but I'm not sure it would survive an AFD. That's the was things go now too. Misplaced Pages's been around long enough, and is many people's first stop for info. I think it high time we relaxed notability to include local only sources. BilCat (talk) 08:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it would, if only I had the time to scratch up the sources. It does seem a lot of grognards have too much time on their hands and consider GNG to be less "general" and more "strict" though! - The Bushranger One ping only 08:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Yup. I'm mostly active again on American aircraft articles, but still semi-retired on the rest of Misplaced Pages. Still too many stupid things going on Misplaced Pages for me to unretire completely. BilCat (talk) 08:54, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
hey bil glad to see your semi back best regards, Paytonisboss (talk) 06:28, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

hi i didn't think a barn-star was needed for this but i wanted to say thanks for helping me during my time on Misplaced Pages

best regards, Paytonisboss (talk) 04:21, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

SR

I'm not sure EEng agrees, but thanx, - FlightTime (open channel) 23:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  • Hey, BilCat, have you any idea what was going on here ? I want to be clear I'm not accusing you of anything, but the interaction is just so weird. Maybe he just wishes he were you? EEng 00:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Stop, I made a mistake, I'm who I am, chill out. Leave BilCat of of it, danm. - FlightTime (open channel) 01:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
@EEng:How in the hell do you get, "me whishing" anytghing, I'm talking to you, and I'm FlightTime. Quit trying to confuse the issue "I" brought to You UFB - FlightTime (open channel) 01:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Sorry BilCat. - FlightTime (open channel) 01:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

GE90

I just changed some of the info to be more consistent with the Boeing 777. For instance the 777-300 was never ordered with the GE90, so that combination was never certified with the FAA. Also, the production 777F is often more specifically referred to as the 777-200LRF, in order to distinguish it from the 777-300ERSF conversion. 24.206.65.142 (talk) 03:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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