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Betty Henderson

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Almost no information is provided on this actress. For a list of credits, readers can go to IMDb. Henderson had minor roles in a few movies. In one B movie, The Gorbals Story, she received third billing. She might have been the female lead alongside someone not mentioned in the top three, or perhaps the other two billed actors were the true leads. In either case, this article, in its current state, provides data and virtually no context, making it fail NOTDIR #1. Henderson seems to fail NACTOR as well. gidonb (talk) 21:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Yet is her role in The 39 Steps really significant? IMDb and we have her billed 13th, this database has her listed 12th. All towards the end. It appears that her only significant role was in a B movie. PER NACTOR: Such a person may be considered notable if: 1. The person has had significant roles in MULTIPLE notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions; or 2. The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. Also, how is the GNG satisfied? The caps in the quote are mine. gidonb (talk) 17:39, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Lily Phillips

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BLP of an OnlyFans model whose claim to fame is having sex with 100 men. Coverage is all from within the past week or so and largely consists of deprecated sources and low-quality tabloids. Fails WP:N, WP:SUSTAINED, WP:BLP, WP:NOT, etc. Spicy (talk) 19:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

All five of the sources currently used in the draft are in yellow and red at WP:UPSD. I removed the three it highlighted in the article.--Launchballer 20:28, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Melvin Mayo

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No evidence of notability, no indepth sources and no major roles in significant works. Fram (talk) 17:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

--->Keep. per Somebodyidkfkdt. Thanks!-Mushy Yank. 09:13, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Mathis Touré

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Non-notable footballer and former child actor. Fails WP:GNG/WP:NSPORT with maybe only a single piece of WP:SIGCOV, a blog/commentary piece in a Corsican paper. The rest is routine transfer coverage. Fails WP:NACTOR with only one role that could be described as significant (the coverage of it is all trivial mentions). Please ping me if I missed anything. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

M. V. Mani

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Not notable, entirely unsourced, praising the subject. Another coincidence is that the username of the creator of the article matches the subject's middle name. I thank @Espresso Addict for giving me the go ahead. SCR@TCH!NGH3@D (talk) 10:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Ramkishan Suthar

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mostly source are seem unreliable source to me, and most of the references are obtained from blog websites and the article not meet to WP:DIRECTOR or WP:NFILMMAKER. --- Bhairava7 • (@píng mє-tαlk mє) 06:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete - no evidence of notability, also references are just blog or youtube video link.PQR01 (talk) 17:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Vallabhaneni Maheedhar

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A WP:BEFORE search yields results from databases, LinkedIn, Facebook, Amazon, and other unreliable sources. The subject fails to meet under WP:NACTOR and WP:FILMMAKER. Also, there is no indication of meeting WP:SIGCOV. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 05:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Ammu Ramachandran

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No lead roles in any of these notable films; fails WP:NACTOR, and the sources are blogs, unreliable, and PR material. Also fails WP:GNG. GrabUp - Talk 08:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Jonah Chapman

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Sources currently cited consist of IMDb and some YouTube channels published by the subject. Searching the name alone turns up unrelated individuals; with some other specifying material added, some promotional material from an agency turns up, but nothing which would indicate notability. Seraphimblade 00:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Jack C. Mancino

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This article about an Hungarian-born British artist, actor and musician is poorly sourced. Large sections of text are unreferenced. There are seven inline citations, of which five are to IMDb. The one to the Chicago Tribune is geo-locked for me. The other just says "Feszültség és szabadság Lisszabonban", and has been tagged as needing a full citation since 2020. Googling the phrase led me to https://holdkatlan.hu/index.php/szemle/lapszemle/3559-feszultseg-es-szabadsag-lisszabonban which doesn't appear to mention this person, although I do not understand Hungarian. The list of external links doesn't include any reliable sources which could be added as references. I have carried out WP:BEFORE for Jack C. Mancino, Jack Mancino and the alternative name given, Balogh Csaba, and not found references to add. There is an artist called Csaba Balogh who may be notable, but his year and place of birth are different. I don't think this article demonstrates that Mancino meets WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO, WP:NARTIST, WP:NACTOR or WP:NMUSICIAN. Tacyarg (talk) 18:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi! 1. please clarify which "Large sections of text are unreferenced". The newly inserted sections are films and music will be sourced soon. IMDb is a good source for referencing filmographies. Can Soundcloud, Amazon, Spotify or Apple Music or any other streaming site for music be used for referencing discographies? Thank you for helping. 2. It is possible that the owner of the referenced link has changed their site that was correct when it was inserted. This page has been on Misplaced Pages more than 15 years. Karlmayer5000 (talk) 20:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi. The whole of the Biography section is unreferenced, as is the sub-section Early classical stage under Work, and the sub-section Music in the section Acting credits and accolades. IMDb is not a reliable source: see WP:IMDb. The other sites you mention are not reliable sources, but I don't believe discographies need sourcing - as with bibliographies, the existence of the works can be assumed. Tacyarg (talk) 21:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
thank you very much. Can you please point me web platforms that qualifies as good source of references to understand the policies. Karlmayer5000 (talk) 06:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Please read the reliable sources link and the guidance on your Talk page. The teahouse may also be helpful. Tacyarg (talk) 07:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Jack C. Mancino has written several comic books. Can I link them as references in the section I am about to make on this page called: Author?
Source link: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Jack-C-Mancino/author/B0BZJGN477?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true NorAnditoth5 (talk) 10:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Amazon is not a reliable source. If there are reviews of these books in reliable sources, those would be appropriate references. Tacyarg (talk) 10:42, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
In the Chicago Tribune article he was mentioned by the writer in connection with a Hollywood photographer's art painting collection and in the article Mr. Mancino's works were positively compared to Jean-Michel Basquiat who was one of America's most iconic abstract artists. 37.76.13.207 (talk) 09:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Please log in and only use a single account when commenting. (Assuming you are User:Karlmayer5000 and/or User:NorAnditoth5) The artist was only mentioned in a single sentence. A brief mention by a photographer is a clear example of trivial coverage, nowhere near the significant coverage requirement for a source to count towards notability as Misplaced Pages defines it. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 20:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
I have a message from Wiki not to comment with Karl Mayer,,,I dont know the reason. You guys look like just want to delete the article anyway so go ahead! Karlmayer5000 (talk) 07:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
wikipedia cant accept bio from the artists own mouth, that really needs an update, this article was created in 2009 used by wikipedia, there are many articles with much fewer sources still on wiki. Wiki must be about info and not about notability. Not every artist pays for mainstream articles to get attention. 2001:4C4E:28C4:3000:5DBE:155A:35DD:2FCE (talk) 08:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete I am unable to find reliable sourcing for the biographical or artistic claims made in this article. Source assessment of current sources below. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Source assessment table
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTK2uNBdUZE No No No self published interview ✘ No
Feszültség és szabadság Lisszabonba incomplete citation ? Unknown
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2013/05/18/working-art-3/ paywall ? Unknown
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14840232/ No No No IMDB ✘ No
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8503240/ No No No IMDB ✘ No
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13094566/ No No No IMDB ✘ No
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/148014120-felix-gruber No No No Goodreads listing ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
The source is by the Hungarian Ministry of Culture and Innovation. They probably need an update on this detail (they probably will correct this) because, before he turned to abstract art, Mancino started studying the Renaissance era (though he didn't belong to that era, he was born in 1968) He only learned from the artists who belonged to that era and used that experience in his early works, so he was compared to those artistic works in the early stage. They probably wanted to say (or just got lost in translation)," he was like a Renaissance man from the Renaissance era." NorAnditoth5 (talk) 08:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
I take the point that there may be translation issues, but still doubting the source. It also says (again, subject to translation issues), that "As an influential Renaissance architect, Jack S. Mancino had a significant impact on artists and innovators, including Hungarian artists. Among them, Géza Mészöly and Viktor Madarász stand out as prominent representatives of Hungarian art life, who could draw inspiration from Mancino". Both of those artists died before Mancino was born. Tacyarg (talk) 08:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Like I said they need to update that section. Neither Mancino nor Misplaced Pages aren't responsible for typos or inaccurate sentences that appear in articles. The source is still from the Hungarian Ministry of Culture and Innovation. The two artists mentioned by you didn't learn from Mancino himself but rather also from the Renaissance era. I understand your concern and you are making a great job but I hope we're not playing world wide web typo police here. NorAnditoth5 (talk) 09:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Tyner Rushing

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WP:BLP of an actress, not properly sourced as passing WP:NACTOR. As always, notability for actors is not automatically passed just because they've had acting roles -- the test doesn't hinge on listing acting roles, it hinges on showing reliable source coverage about them and their performances to establish the significance of those roles. But this is referenced entirely to unreliable sources that are not support for notability -- IMDb, a YouTube clip and a Q&A interview in which she's answering questions in the first person -- with absolutely no evidence of third-party coverage about her shown at all.
Obviously no prejudice against recreation in the future if and when she has a stronger notability claim than just existing and better sourcing for the significance of her career, but working actors are not automatically exempted from having to pass WP:GNG just because they exist. Bearcat (talk) 17:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hey thanks again for helping me make the page more credible. To sum up, I added about 10 references - credible news coverage showing she is an actress of notability and needs a Misplaced Pages page. She is a lead on my favorite Apple TV television show. I propose we remove Tyner Rushing from the deletion discussion list. Slamdunkeroo (talk) 18:47, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Tina Albanese

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This person doesn't seem notable enough to me. I cannot find any news coverage about her. Aŭstriano (talk) 01:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Peggy Batchelor

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Contested draftification of an article on a non-notable actor. There is no reliable source for the WP:OR claim that she was the oldest-ever actor who had appeared in Doctor Who (not that that is even a claim to notability). The source for this claim appears to be a Doctor Who wiki. She fails WP:NACTOR as her handful of roles appear to be minor parts, and they are sourced to IMDb, an unreliable source. She fails WP:GNG/WP:NBIO for lack of coverage in independent, reliable sources. There are a couple of articles in a hyper-local village newsletter (, ), another WP:SPS (), and a self-published as-told-to quasi-autobiography. As for WP:ANYBIO #1, I looked into her Fellowship in the Royal Society of Arts, but it's not a rare honor (there are 31,000 active Fellows) and can be acquired by online application and payment of a fee. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

@Dclemens1971: Hello. I understand. However, what I do not understand is how some articles such as this one are accepted but not others. This seems like discrimination. There are people as notable as Peggy Batchelor or less notable than her who have pages. Please explain. Spectritus (talk) 15:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

It's not discrimination in any way. It's about independent, secondary, reliable sources. IMDB isn't a reliable source. Wendover News is not likely an independent source. Peggy Batchelor's as-told-to, self-published autobiography is not a reliable, independent, or secondary sources. Pointing to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS doesn't make Batchelor any more notable. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
@Dclemens1971: Doesn't the fact someone wrote a book about her make her notable enough? Also, may I ask how users are supposed to find sources if Misplaced Pages condemns almost all of them?
The author wrote a book "as told to" her, which means it's basically Peggy Batchelor talking about herself, and thus not independent. And the biography was published by AuthorHouse, which is a vanity press and thus it's a WP:SELFPUBLISHED source and not reliable. English Misplaced Pages does not condemn almost all sources; it has specific standards, and the ones you used in this article don't meet them. If you have questions about individual sources or sourcing more generally, please visit WP:RSN. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete: Zero coverage found for this individual, acting roles are minor, would not pass notability for actors. A voice role in Doctor Who isn't the stuff of notability. Oaktree b (talk) 19:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete She was featured in only 1-2 episodes of each TV show she was in and played relatively minor roles in films. The article itself seems to be fixated on the (likely original research) trivia of her having once been the oldest person who had been a cast member of Doctor Who, which as we discussed in this AfD, isn't particularly relevant or notable. Waddles 🗩 🖉 01:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Note I agree this would be better in draft space. She also had a stage career, which has not been included in the article yet. I am sourcing and adding references and information, and will then consider whether she meets notability guidelines. If she is, the article needs editing, as it reads more like a eulogy than an encyclopaedic entry. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
    Thanks. Spectritus (talk) 10:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep Having found and added sources, I think that she does meet WP:BASIC. There are multiple, independent sources, some substantial, some less so, but they add up. There is coverage across her life in both national newspapers and local papers around the UK (around England, and also Northern Ireland and Scotland). The article could still use some work - I'll work on the lede and info box. RebeccaGreen (talk) 02:55, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
    Unfortunately, I cannot view the many British Newspaper Archive links you added since I don't subscribe and it's not available through the Misplaced Pages Library. However, I looked at a few of the other links you added and they don't seem to add up:
    None of these adds up to WP:SIGCOV. Can you better characterize the British Newspaper Archive sources so editors can properly evaluate them? Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
    As I wrote, I think that she meets WP:BASIC - "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability." The number of times a source is referenced gives an idea of the amount of detail in the sources - the profiles of her published in newspapers in Tyne and Wear and Cambridgeshire are particularly detailed, while the Belfast source has a bit less. There is more detail in The Stage article about the drama school she founded in Essex that I have not included. There is coverage over many years - 1925, 1938, 1947 all deriving from her appearances at the Wembley Tattoo; 1946-1966 in stage shows; 1970s-1980s as founder of a drama school and as a nationally recognised adjudicator.
    You mention that being a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts is not a rare honour. Being a Fellow of the Guildhall School of Music and Drama is - information online states "The Guildhall School offers the following honorary awards for distinguished services to the School and to the profession: the FGSM (Fellow of the Guildhall School of Music and Drama), awarded to distinguished professors, examiners and past students and the Hon GSM (Honorary Member of the Guildhall School of Music and Drama), awarded for services to music or drama and to the Guildhall School. Limited to 100 holders at any one time." That is an indication of her professional standing, in addition to the news coverage about her.
    I am not suggesting that all the sources contribute to notability - 3 of those you link to provide evidence of facts in the article (her appearances in two radio programmes; the date she left the drama school she founded; the facts that she taught at drama festivals as well as adjudicating, and that she worked at drama festivals in Wales as well as England and N. Ireland). RebeccaGreen (talk) 01:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Eddy Maday

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Non-notable actor with roles in only one notable film. None of the sources are reliable, and I found none with significant coverage online. I initially BLARed this to Presence (2024 film)#Cast, but it was reverted by the article's creator. ''']''' (talk • contribs) 01:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Charlotte Barker

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This has existed for 18 years without a single source which is actually about the actor, and I can't find any sources that are actually about her, as opposed to her being mentioned in articles about her father. Black Kite (talk) 11:10, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Sometimes it's kinder to delete. But I will bite and expand the article and let everyone else decide. (Perhaps there are 5k pageviews in the last month for a reason.) Cielquiparle (talk) 12:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Cielquiparle There is a TikTok "influencer" with the same name. Black Kite (talk) 16:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Right. Plus everyone else with the same name, like the Director of Film Restoration at Paramount Pictures. Cielquiparle (talk) 17:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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The result was merge‎ to Kurdish cinema. Vanamonde93 (talk) 02:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Karzan Kardozi

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The director doesn't seem to be famous enough to own an article on Misplaced Pages. NameGame (talk) 17:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Can you define what "doesn't seem famous use Enough?" mean and what standard you go by? If you delete articles by the "doesn't seem famous use Enough?" reason, more than one third of articles in Misplaced Pages will have to be delete. Naderjamie6 (talk) 17:50, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
And how much "Famous" is enough for a Kurdish filmmaker to have its own article on Wiki? Can you provide rules and regulation for such "Fame?" Naderjamie6 (talk) 17:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
The reason given "doesn't seem to be famous enough" is not enough to have article deleted. The filmmakers is Kurdish, what kind of fame would required by Misplaced Pages standard to have article listed? Wendy2024 (talk) 18:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE Spiderone 19:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
This article is about a Kurdish Filmmaker and it is important to stay as part of Misplaced Pages. Citation and required link provided to verify the identity of the filmmaker. If this is deleted, then most of the other article about Kurdish Filmmakers will have to be deleted also if the reason giving is "Not famous enough". Joreannorde (talk) 18:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE Spiderone 19:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Keep. He has written and directed dozen books and film in Kurdish, in US, UK and Kurdistan, and still active. Also many citation to show him as being known be it in Kurdish or English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BonitueBera (talk • contribs) 00:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE Spiderone 22:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: I'm not really finding much out there in reliable sources. This, paired with the large amount of sockpuppets, makes me wonder if the director should be mentioned on Misplaced Pages at all. There are some things like this, but so far it's really slow going. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
  • 'Merge per Mushy Yank. There just isn't much out there about this guy. There are a handful of sources here and there, but not really enough to show firm notability. I do think that he deserves to be mentioned somewhere, so the Kurdish cinema page is a good landing spot. If a non-sockpuppet can find enough sourcing I'm open to being persuaded. As far as the socks go - please stop. This is extremely counterproductive and actually makes it more likely that a page might get outright deleted and the person or topic not mentioned on Misplaced Pages at all. People will also become far more skeptical of the sourcing as well. The reason for this is that historically, topics plagued with sockpuppetry tend to be more likely to only have coverage in places engaging in paid journalism (ie, the person paid for someone to write about them). I've seen cases where good sources were questioned as unreliable. This is why it's such a bad idea - sometimes it can result in the exact opposite of the intended purpose. Rather than sockpuppetry, it's better to make a strong case with solid sources. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Karl Dominik

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No WP:SUSTAINED notability here and highly promotional Amigao (talk) 17:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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  • Delete: I am unable to access the Shanghai Daily source in the article (source 2), and the other sources are all unreliable primary sources. By googling the subject's name in Chinese (凱洱), I found only one article mentioning him as part of the cast in a 2023 film called Variant. Even searching for the subject on Douban shows that he has appeared in only eleven roles, most of them are just cast extras and none of which seem significant. Fails GNG and NACTOR. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 05:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
    • This is the China Daily source that was also printed in the Shanghai Daily (it is a passing mention):
      • Hodges, Matt (2014-06-26). "Shanghai's star turn". China Daily. Archived from the original on 2024-12-30. Retrieved 2024-12-30.

        The article notes: ""I like the fact that most of the roles I've been playing recently are the good-guy roles, not the stereotypical 'bad foreigner' that seems to be all too prevalent in Chinese productions," says Karl Dominik, who owns Constellation talent agency in Shanghai. "I am daunted by the amount of Chinese I have to learn, but I love a challenge." Another of Shanghai's top foreign acting talents, Englishman Charles Mayer, had a high-profile supporting role in Yip Man 2 (2010) as a corrupt police sergeant in wartime Hong Kong. It was exactly the kind of racially charged role people like Dominik are eager to avoid."

      Cunard (talk) 11:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, Cunard! I guess this confirms that there are literally no sources with SIGCOV on the subject and reinforces my !vote. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 06:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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The result was delete‎. Sandstein 16:41, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Frank Pando

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Fails WP:NACTOR with apparently only one notable role rather than the multiple ones called for, and subject apparently requests deletion (see the Talk page), which should give a lean in a marginal case. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 15:45, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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RJ Sarithiran

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Fails WP:NACTOR, trivial coverage and passing mentions in media. There are zero sources that provide WP:SIGCOV to this personality. Nxcrypto Message 13:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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David Ayer's unrealized projects

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With a recent expansion of what is considered "unrealized", it's really gotten to a point I have realized these articles largely stand to be rather WP:TRIVIA and WP:FANCRUFT. As higlighted by @Erik: at Luca Guadagnino's unrealized projects, "if a so-called "unrealized project" is not talked about in retrospect, it has little value", and as per WP:IINFO, ""To provide encyclopedic value, data should be put in context with explanations referenced to independent sources." Just a contemporary news article about a filmmaker being attached to so-and-so, with no later retrospective commentary, does not strike me as discriminate encyclopedic content to have". I no longer see these pages being of note, and is just a trivial list of several projects, whether they were notable or not, that never came to be, their development or attempted production not being of vital note. Rusted AutoParts 20:24, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Comment: Why proceed with a single AFD case now, as opposed to having an RFC to determine if such articles are appropriate, and with what criteria? Erik (talk | contrib) 20:34, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
    Given the dialogue with Zander on Guadagnino's, it's become clear these pages are purely just seen as trivia. Some very few unrealized projects are indeed are of interest, but when looking at the page, and it's largely "X announced plans to make X, but never did", it just doesn't scream as being a vital article to have. Terry Zwigoff's unrealized projects is particularly exemplary of this. Rusted AutoParts 20:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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  • Keep: Perfectly standard. Sources. WP:SPLITLIST applies. -Mushy Yank. 01:32, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    A page having sources doesn’t make the topic of value. It’s a list of films that never happened, or didn’t happen with the person, which makes their involvement with it both not that important to the person, or the project. Why does a list of that need to be on Misplaced Pages as its own page? Where does this end then? Does this open the door towards “Tom Cruise’s untaken roles”? Rusted AutoParts 01:39, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    What opens the door towards "Tom Cruise's untaken roles" is reliable outlets taking "Tom Cruise's untaken roles" up as an in-depth subject. I.e. sources, and sources only - but the sources have to handle the untaken roles as an entity. Standalone articles about individual scrapped projects can't be synthesized to a Misplaced Pages article per WP:SYNTH. An article about a director's turned-down or walked-over direction opportunities survived AFD not too long ago. Geschichte (talk) 10:41, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    And in my opinion it probably shouldn’t have. Clearly, what constitutes “unrealized” currently is too broad and thus it has entitled editors to include all these different projects that really don’t fall under “unrealized”. A lot of these articles have sections where it’s just like a sentence or two, and it’s about the director being “offered”, or being “considered” to direct something they never did. Or projects that were announced once and never discussed at all again, or even projects they’re verifiably still attached to and working on. That to me just makes these lists become flashy tidbit factoids that if the project was actually seen through with someone else it can just easily be noted in the film’s article, or the directors article. A whole article dedicated to mostly unproduced films with no notable production history is superfluous. Rusted AutoParts 14:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Offtopic fightpicking.

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Maybe not (although common sense should incite us to believe that a perfectly standard page is very likely an acceptable page as standalone list/article.) But SPLITLIST is a guideline, and a solid reason for keeping list-formatted pages. -Mushy Yank. 13:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

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Mwijaku

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After observing the article being too promotional (still is), I moved the it back to draft space hoping for improvement that would follow a regular review at AFC but the original editor moved it back direct to the mainspace also nowhere in the references show subject's (important claims) like date of birth or number of children they have, where did the editor get them? That's WP: PROMOTIONAL, WP:COIEDIT and tries to use wikipedia as WP:SOAPBOX.

No any notable work listed show subject's importance, just a bunch of gossip blogs. Just a reminder, Misplaced Pages isn't a gossip blog/newspaper WP:NOTGOSSIP.

Refs: Only The Citizen is a reliable source, the rest are blogs that cannot be trusted on WP:BLP. ANU 01:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

As the editor of this article, I have made improvements by adding additional information from sources that I believe are credible. Please review it to see if it is satisfactory and help me by correcting any mistakes. 3L3V8D (talk) 20:55, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to Happu Ki Ultan Paltan#Cast. Thanks to editors who worked to track down sources. In the end though, they were not strong enough to convince other editors to argue to Keep this article. Liz 01:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Kamna Pathak

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Looking at the sources, it does not pass WP:GNG even. Mostly all the sources available on google are discussing her replacement in a notable show, see , , . Taabii (talk) 13:31, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

  • The sources are quite poor and not independent of the subject with claims and interviews. Subject fails the criteria for WP:NACTOR who did not have significant roles in "multiple" notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions; or made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. RangersRus (talk) 16:40, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Keep The sources are reliable, and the subject is well-researched with verifiable claims.
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