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	== Recent Māori issues ==

	Kia ora there,

	Had this guy Roger 8 Roger reverting a few of my edits to do with Māori recently, and I stumbled upon your conversation with him. "Artificial use" of Māori instead of the "normal" English by "officially controlled bodies". "Academic or youth elite" using Māori "is seen as somehow right and proper". This editor clearly has some attitudes and isn't good at hiding them. ] (]) 04:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
	:] - Yes, I'm Australian, and here we have a sub-class of racists here who object to any attempt to give places their original Aboriginal names in place of the names of white people. Mr "Roger" reminded me of them. It's sad that you have them in NZ too. ] (]) 05:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
	::We call them closet ] supporters (translation - ] or perhaps ]). His latest is an attempt to go to war against something I added to the page about the ]. I added a paragraph referring to the very well established historical consensus that there was a transition of nominative sovereignty to substantive sovereignty (the British declaring they controlled New Zealand in 1841 when they didn't versus 40-60 years later, when the Crown was secure), as well as the argument that Māori did not mean to cede their sovereignty (which has been found repetitively by the ]). He reverted this, presumably because he views British law as the only law which means anything and terra nullius as legitimate. In his mind, this means that the New Zealand colony existed with absolute legitimacy ''immediately'' after it was proclaimed by a handful of colonial figures, despite Aotearoa then having an almost entirely Māori population, in which they owned all the land and controlled the economy.
	::Roger's only comment was "no improvement - go to talk", which I did. Surprise, surprise, he ignores it. So these people win by default. ] (]) 00:41, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

	== POV caution ==

	media and major commentators in boxing saying that a judging result is unacceptable as "fans being upset" is so close to lying on both fronts of who (significant people) and what (criticising judges, not merely being upset), that it looks like a POV edit because you DONTLIKEIT. To insist on only this one thing, when there are many actual examples of fans just being upset (the opening ceremony 'controversy' for one) there, further makes it seem like you have something against a specific inclusion. If that's not the case, I invite you to explain yourself - and without the shouting this time, hey. ] (]) 03:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

	*I also suggest taking up invitations to discuss before you find yourself section-blanking without a reason (personal disagreement with inclusion is not sufficient for section-blanking) - not to mention the edge of edit warring. Consider this message warnings for both. ] (]) 03:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)'

	::Drop the threats. They will never convince me I'm wrong. Is that the way you always discuss things? ] (]) 03:49, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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			:] The combined population of the USA, Canada and Mexico would be, at best, 8% of he world's population. And obviously entirely within one continent. That is NOT a global presence. ] (]) 00:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

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			== Misleading information is every reason to remove something ==

			The image you restored at ] is an atheist graffiti encouraging christians to deconvert. Criticizing a religion and encouraging people to leave it, especially if said religion isn't a protected minority, is free speech. To frame it as religious persecution is dishonest and misleading. ] (]) 11:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
			:That's a matter for discussion on the article's Talk Page, not here. ] (]) 21:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
			::The article's talk page is dead. I addressed the issue there awhile ago, when I first removed the image. I received no replies except from IP vandals accusing me of "spreading woke agenda" or other such nonsense. ] (]) 11:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::That's still not a good reason to ask about this on someone's talk page, whatever state the talk page is in is irrelevant. ] (]) 12:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

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			Hi, HiLo48! Thanks for your welcome, but I've been editing here (mostly on the Reference and Help/Teahouse desks) for about 20 years, and have consciously chosen (so far) to do so without creating an Account, for reasons I won't bore you with. Since my IP (once static) is semi-dynamic, I pseudo-sign myself for continuity purposes "{The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195}" ] (]) 07:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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Toilet paper revert

I respectfully disagree with removing the specific brand mentions from the Toilet paper article. While it's true that some brands may be more prevalent in certain regions, the inclusion of these particular brands is justified for the following reasons:

Global Presence: Brands such as Charmin are not confined to one country. They are widely available in North America, including Canada and Mexico. This broad distribution demonstrates their significance in the global market. Both Charmin and Cottonelle toilet paper are widely available in Canada and Mexico. You can find them in both countries' major grocery stores and retail outlets.

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We risk losing valuable information and context by removing these specific brand mentions. I propose we reinstate the original content, ensuring it remains neutral and avoids undue promotion. If concerns about specificity persist, we could consider a more general approach, such as categorizing brands by region or market share. However, I believe that the current inclusion of specific brands is appropriate and beneficial to the article.

Additionally, I would like to point out that it would have been more productive for the editor to raise their concerns on the article's talk page rather than resorting to a full revert. This would have allowed for a more collaborative and constructive discussion about the content. Whoisjohngalt (talk) 13:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Whoisjohngalt The combined population of the USA, Canada and Mexico would be, at best, 8% of he world's population. And obviously entirely within one continent. That is NOT a global presence. HiLo48 (talk) 00:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

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Misleading information is every reason to remove something

The image you restored at Anti-Christian Sentiment is an atheist graffiti encouraging christians to deconvert. Criticizing a religion and encouraging people to leave it, especially if said religion isn't a protected minority, is free speech. To frame it as religious persecution is dishonest and misleading. 46.97.170.199 (talk) 11:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

That's a matter for discussion on the article's Talk Page, not here. HiLo48 (talk) 21:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

The article's talk page is dead. I addressed the issue there awhile ago, when I first removed the image. I received no replies except from IP vandals accusing me of "spreading woke agenda" or other such nonsense. 46.97.170.199 (talk) 11:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

That's still not a good reason to ask about this on someone's talk page, whatever state the talk page is in is irrelevant. Harryhenry1 (talk) 12:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

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RE: Welcome

Hi, HiLo48! Thanks for your welcome, but I've been editing here (mostly on the Reference and Help/Teahouse desks) for about 20 years, and have consciously chosen (so far) to do so without creating an Account, for reasons I won't bore you with. Since my IP (once static) is semi-dynamic, I pseudo-sign myself for continuity purposes "{The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195}" 94.6.84.253 (talk) 07:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)