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I'd like to make an addition to the sentence "Trump was supported by other right-wing and far-right leaders in various countries, including Austria, Germany, Serbia, the Czech Republic, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Italy." to read "Trump was supported by other right-wing and far-right leaders in various countries, including Austria, Germany, Serbia, the Czech Republic, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Italy '''as well as the former Estonian PM and ex-chairman of the centre-left ]'''<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.postimees.ee/3778961/savisaar-toetaks-usa-presidendina-donald-trumpi|title=Savisaar toetaks USA presidendina Donald Trumpi - Eesti uudised - Postimees.ee|work=postimees.ee|accessdate=October 1, 2016}}</ref>". | |||
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I think it would be important to mention this as its shows that Trump was endorsed by some centrist and centre-left figures as well.--] (]) 12:27, 29 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> See ] for why this is unnecessary and, ultimately, inaccurate. National presidential candidates are expected to attract centrist endorsements. ] ] ] 17:44, 29 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
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== Second Amendment Comment | |||
Please change the date where he is recorded as being declared the presumptive nominee to May 3, 2016. | |||
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This page indicates that Trump's statement that Clinton wanted to abolish the second amendment is 'factually false'. While it was not strictly true, people are removing my comment that many people consider it to bear a degree of truth. Clinton expressed opposition to modern supreme court second amendment jurisprudence, which has thus far only affirmed mainstream understanding that the second amendment protects an individual right to firearm ownership. Overturning those decisions would indeed in effect 'abolish' the meaning of the amendment. Again, Clinton never expressly desired to repeal the amendment, but to say that such notion is false without any context is misleading to this page's readers. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 15:07, 18 October 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
Also, if you look up “Trump may 3 2016,” you’ll see portraits of Trump at an election night event in Manhattan with his family members, giving a speech. ] (]) 22:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
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This section should be removed or at least heavily reworded. An ''unrelated'' controversy with a consultancy firm shouldn't be in the ''Branding'' subsection of an article about a presidential campaign. Not every controversy with every consultancy firm hired by a campaign is noteworthy. | |||
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In addition- that's comparatively minor for the firm and was not widely reported on. There are actually much more relevant controversies. Possible campaign finance law violations and how the firm acquired Facebook data used in the campaign. ] (]) 05:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
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I tried to provide a long edit summary for my recent (and possibly controversial) removal of a sentence about Trump's support among minority Republicans, but it got cut off around 3/4 through. As such, I thought I'd provide the full summary here: | |||
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{{quote|Removed sentence "Trump had a persistently high popularity among Republican and leaning-Republican minority voters". None of the four cited sources explicitly or even somewhat back up this claim. One source is a poll that shows Clinton leading among minority voters, but doesn't specify the views of minority Republicans specifically. Another is about the National Black Republican Association endorsing Trump. The third is about a group of black pastors endorsing Trump, while the fourth has a Trump advisor talking about how much Hispanics love him, but then notes that "One national poll this fall had Mr. Trump’s unfavorability among Hispanics at a death-rattling 82 percent." Together, none of these citations support the stated claim.}} ] (]) 14:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
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== Trump' campaign announcement deserves its own article == | |||
I know not everything deserves its own article, however; I believe with how iconic his announcement was with coming down the escalator in Trump Tower, as well as his speech, and how that was the springboard for essentially a whole new era in America, it definitely deserves its own article. ] (]) 00:42, 5 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
This page indicates that Trump's statement that Clinton wanted to abolish the second amendment is 'factually false'. While it was not strictly true, people are removing my comment that many people consider it to bear a degree of accuracy. Clinton expressed opposition to modern supreme court second amendment jurisprudence, which has thus far only affirmed mainstream understanding that the second amendment protects an individual right to firearm ownership. Overturning those decisions would indeed in effect 'abolish' the meaning of the amendment. Again, Clinton never expressly desired to repeal the amendment, but to say that such notion is false without any context is misleading to this page's readers. Reputable sources, (National Review, Federalist), have stood by the comment. | |||
:I {{u|That Coptic Guy}} left on your talk page. You didn't listen. That's unfortunate. This is getting disruptive. – ] (]) 00:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
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::Agree with what you've said regarding his editing habits; however, on this one I think he has a good point. Trump's 2015 campaign announcement has received plenty of coverage independent of his campaign itself, and over a long period of time: I believe it meets ] and is worthy of discussion as a standalone article. ] (]) 02:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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== Russian collusion / interference == | |||
For the "Praise for authoritarian foreign leaders", I would consider adding this about Assad: | |||
Trump has praised ] ] multiple times. During the ], Trump stated that he didn't like Assad, but also praised him, ], and ] for their fight against ISIS.<ref>https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-praise-russia-iran-assad-criticism-229546</ref> The ] condemned Trump, calling him a "liar".<ref>https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-assad-isis-debate-2016-10</ref> In the October 16 debate, he stated that Assad is "much tougher and much smarter" than Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.<ref>https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-assad-tougher-and-smarter-than-obama-and-clinton-2016-10</ref> ] (]) 19:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
The content on this issue is all in the lede. None of it is in the body of this article. ]] '''<span style="border:2px solid black">]</span>''' 01:17, 11 June 2018 (UTC) | |||
:{{partly done}} We try to avoid using Business Insider as a source for political content due to concerns about quality/reliability, but I've added the first sentence with the Politico citation. ] (]) 22:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
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:: I have added a paragraph to the body of the article (and restored the content in the lead, with some updated sourcing, now that it is in the body). ]<sup>]</sup> 14:01, 16 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
==Former chairman of the campaign Paul Manafort== | |||
The former chairman of this campaign, Paul Manafort, is currently in jail and on trial for conspiracy against the United States, being an agent of a foreign country, false statements and fraud. Oddly enough it isn't even mentioned in the article, despite being one of the most notable characteristics of this campaign, in terms of how much coverage in reliable sources it has received. --] (]) 21:28, 5 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
:Why should it be in here? As his article says {{tq|None of the charges that have been brought against Manafort are related to Russian interference in the 2016 election}}. -- ] (]) 21:31, 5 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
::Um, the ''chairman'' of this entity is in prison for conspiracy against the United States. A campaign which btw. had "lock her up" as its campaign slogan. I fail to see how that's not relevant from a neutral and encyclopedic perspective. This isn't just about Russian interference in the 2016 election either. --] (]) 23:25, 5 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::This article is not about the chairman of the campaign, that article is at ]. "lock her up" is not listed as one of the slogans in the article, and even still it is not really relevant as Manafort is a man. You have failed to demonstrate how this is relevant from a neutral or encyclopedic perspective. ] (]) 17:28, 6 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::Partisan views is not a reason to omit this material and you have failed to demonstrate why it's not relevant in this article that its chairman is in jail for conspiracy against the United States, especially considering that a major focus of this entity (campaign) was the alleged crimes of its opponent. --] (]) 07:16, 7 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::::I have not said anything about partisan view. The ] is on you to prove that something is relevant. Crimes, alleged or otherwise, of an opponent doesn't mean we should include charges on Manafort unless it is related. This is an encyclopedia not a newspaper. ] (]) 19:49, 7 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::::Please read sources. Manafort's indictments are totally unrelated to his election work for Trump. — ] <sup>]</sup> 10:33, 7 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
The Trump campaign made changes to the GOP platform about Ukraine in support of Putin's wishes. Manafort worked for the pro-Russian Ukraine President, all for the purpose of promoting Putin's wishes in Ukraine, and Manafort brought that work with him into the Trump campaign, and the campaign adopted Manafort's lobby work (for which he was richly rewarded, and for which he is now on trial) as part of its appeasement work with Putin, in return for which Putin allegedly promised to help Trump win, and for which Rosneft/Ukraine promises were allegedly made, with a share of the sale of Rosneft allegedly promised to Trump if he would lift the sanctions, which were tied to Ukraine and the Magnitsky Act sanctions. One of his first acts as president was to attempt to lift those sanctions, the lifting of which was also the subject of the Trump Tower meeting. | |||
The proven help which then came from Russia to interfere in the election for Trump is all tied together, so this content is very relevant. We have a number of good articles here on these subjects, with many RS which document this series of events and ties between Russians, Ukraine, and Putin/Russia. -- ] (]) <u><small>'''''PingMe'''''</small></u> 11:30, 7 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
:] you know better. We do not need random conspiracy theories here that are unrelated to the subject. ] (]) 18:13, 8 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
:: Here's one difference between us. What I've written is straight from our articles and (there) backed by RS. You don't seem to be aware of what RS say, and call this narrative "random conspiracy theories". What I wrote is in direct answer to the subject being discussed. By explaining how all this is related to the subject of this article, I help editors to understand what is relevant to keep, and what is not. That's not FORUM, but doing what we're supposed to do on a talk page. That you don't see it that way doesn't give you license to force your opinion by hatting my very serious explanation of events and alleged connections, all based on RS. I don't write my own suppositions. One editor's narrative based on RS is another editor's "random conspiracy theories". We base our content on RS, and I base my opinions on RS. -- ] (]) <u><small>'''''PingMe'''''</small></u> 18:28, 8 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::No, you are expounding your own OR and fringe conspiracy theories that are not related to the section being discussed. ] (]) 18:34, 8 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::: ] -- ] (]) <u><small>'''''PingMe'''''</small></u> 19:04, 8 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
Mueller's team says there is a Trump campaign connection to the bank fraud case, according to . This might warrant a mention in this article. <em><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></em> 22:42, 7 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
:That is actually an interesting article. A little bit of a stretch though. Basically a senior executive at a bank gave an override on a bank loan to get an advisor position on the campaign and hoped, but did not get, a position in the administration. ] (]) 13:16, 8 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Should Trump's 2015 announcement get its own article? == | |||
== Jim Comey's comments about Matthew Whitaker == | |||
I argued this above but wanted to make it a standalone post. Trump's campaign announcement is unique compared to other campaign announcements for the lasting coverage it received: It meets ], imo. ] (]) 22:54, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
You are invited to participate in ]. ] <small>(])</small> 21:28, 13 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
: I don't think his campaign announcement is independently notable from the campaign itself. What more needs to be said outside of that three-paragraph section? – ] (]) 00:22, 5 January 2025 (UTC) |
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Shift focus to neutrality
Requester suggests the article author used bias. Critic, criticism or criticized words are used 92 times. Suggests a shift of focus from opinion to fact, with less speech quotes, which will be more appropriate for an encyclopedia.
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Please change the date where he is recorded as being declared the presumptive nominee to May 3, 2016.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/2016_Indiana_Republican_presidential_primary
Also, if you look up “Trump may 3 2016,” you’ll see portraits of Trump at an election night event in Manhattan with his family members, giving a speech. 2604:2D80:7A87:EA00:F8A3:496F:CDD4:490 (talk) 22:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Done This was already verified by citations in the article. Thanks. Jamedeus (talk) 23:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Cambridge Analytics
In addition, UK big data voter opinion influencer Cambridge Analytics was hired by the Trump campaign in 2016. In March 2018, it was revealed through undercover footage that Cambridge Analytica used seductive women to entice a rival candidate while secretly videotaping the encounter. The firm also sent impostors who acted like wealthy individuals only to give them bribes.
This section should be removed or at least heavily reworded. An unrelated controversy with a consultancy firm shouldn't be in the Branding subsection of an article about a presidential campaign. Not every controversy with every consultancy firm hired by a campaign is noteworthy.
In addition- that's comparatively minor for the firm and was not widely reported on. There are actually much more relevant controversies. Possible campaign finance law violations and how the firm acquired Facebook data used in the campaign. ArguedOyster (talk) 05:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Full edit summary
I tried to provide a long edit summary for my recent (and possibly controversial) removal of a sentence about Trump's support among minority Republicans, but it got cut off around 3/4 through. As such, I thought I'd provide the full summary here:
Removed sentence "Trump had a persistently high popularity among Republican and leaning-Republican minority voters". None of the four cited sources explicitly or even somewhat back up this claim. One source is a poll that shows Clinton leading among minority voters, but doesn't specify the views of minority Republicans specifically. Another is about the National Black Republican Association endorsing Trump. The third is about a group of black pastors endorsing Trump, while the fourth has a Trump advisor talking about how much Hispanics love him, but then notes that "One national poll this fall had Mr. Trump’s unfavorability among Hispanics at a death-rattling 82 percent." Together, none of these citations support the stated claim.
Loytra (talk) 14:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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Trump' campaign announcement deserves its own article
I know not everything deserves its own article, however; I believe with how iconic his announcement was with coming down the escalator in Trump Tower, as well as his speech, and how that was the springboard for essentially a whole new era in America, it definitely deserves its own article. Vinnylospo (talk) 00:42, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I saw the note That Coptic Guy left on your talk page. You didn't listen. That's unfortunate. This is getting disruptive. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with what you've said regarding his editing habits; however, on this one I think he has a good point. Trump's 2015 campaign announcement has received plenty of coverage independent of his campaign itself, and over a long period of time: I believe it meets WP:GNG and is worthy of discussion as a standalone article. Dingers5Days (talk) 02:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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For the "Praise for authoritarian foreign leaders", I would consider adding this about Assad:
Trump has praised Syrian President Bashar al-Assad multiple times. During the October 9 debate, Trump stated that he didn't like Assad, but also praised him, Russia, and Iran for their fight against ISIS. The Raqqa Is Being Slaughtered Silently condemned Trump, calling him a "liar". In the October 16 debate, he stated that Assad is "much tougher and much smarter" than Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. 217.180.201.178 (talk) 19:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Partly done We try to avoid using Business Insider as a source for political content due to concerns about quality/reliability, but I've added the first sentence with the Politico citation. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
References
- https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-praise-russia-iran-assad-criticism-229546
- https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-assad-isis-debate-2016-10
- https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-assad-tougher-and-smarter-than-obama-and-clinton-2016-10
Should Trump's 2015 announcement get its own article?
I argued this above but wanted to make it a standalone post. Trump's campaign announcement is unique compared to other campaign announcements for the lasting coverage it received: It meets WP:SIGCOV, imo. Dingers5Days (talk) 22:54, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think his campaign announcement is independently notable from the campaign itself. What more needs to be said outside of that three-paragraph section? – Muboshgu (talk) 00:22, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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