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The Popular Front of India is a banned radical<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.rediff.com/news/2010/aug/02kerala-one-more-arrested-in-lecturer-attack-case.htm|title=Kerala: One more arrested in lecturer attack case|website=www.rediff.com}}</ref> <ref> http://english.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/mmonline.dll/portal/ep/contentView.do?contentId=7683075&tabId=1&programId=1080132912&channelId=-1073865030&BV_ID=@@@ </ref> fanatic <ref>{{Cite web|url=https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/explosives-weapons-seized-near-kerala-mosque/articleshow/6160395.cms|title=Explosives, weapons seized near Kerala mosque | India News - Times of India|website=The Times of India}}</ref> Muslim fundamentalist <ref> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/6316966/Handsome-Muslim-men-accused-of-waging-love-jihad-in-India.html </ref> and extremist <ref> http://www.hindu.com/2010/07/22/stories/2010072253230700.htm </ref> <ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/states/story/20100719-hatreds-new-haven-743450-2010-07-10|title=Hatred's New Haven|first1=M. G. Radhakrishnan|last1=July 10|first2=2010 ISSUE DATE:|last2=July 19|first3=2010UPDATED:|last3=July 20|first4=2010 12:32|last4=Ist|website=India Today}}</ref> <ref>{{Cite web|url=https://indianexpress.com/article/news-archive/web/defending-the-front/|title=Defending the front|date=July 28, 2010}}</ref> <ref> http://sify.com/news/police-unearth-cds-of-taliban-like-terror-module-in-kerala-news-national-khkmEjhgacc.html </ref> <ref> http://www.radianceweekly.com/54/348/Prophet-Muhammad039s-Recipe-for-World-Peace/2007-04-15/Rejoinder/Story-Detail/PFI---an-Extremist-Caucus.html </ref> organizations which are active in southern India. The Front was formed on November 22, 2006 and is supported by the Karnataka Forum for Dignity (KFD), the National Development Front (NDF), and Manitha Neethi Pasarai (MNP).These organizations are active in the states of Karnataka, Kerala, and Tamil Nadu, respectively. <ref> http://www.hindu.com/2006/12/12/stories/2006121201960500.htm </ref> They are alleged to have links to Islamic terrorist organizations like Lashkar-e-Taiba and SIMI (Student Islamic Movement of India). <ref> http://expressbuzz.com/cities/kochi/pfi%E2%80%99s-pamphlet-writers-under-scanner/196191.html </ref> <ref> http://sify.com/news/south-india-and-the-enemies-within-news-columns-jegmNHdhech.html </ref> PFI has been accused of supporting a "Love Jihad" in the southern Indian state of Kerala. <ref>{{Cite web|url=https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/kerala-cm-reignites-love-jihad-theory/articleshow/6216779.cms|title=Kerala CM reignites 'love jihad' theory | India News - Times of India|website=The Times of India}}</ref> <ref> http://www.deccanherald.com/content/83631/bid-convert-kerala-muslim-state.html </ref> Beside the attack on College lecturer T J Joseph in Muvattupuzha, the PFI had been involved in 22 murder cases and 73 attempt to murder cases so far in Kerala. <ref> http://english.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/mmonline.dll/portal/ep/contentView.do?contentId=7673316&tabId=1&programId=1080132912&channelId=-1073865030&BV_ID=@@@ </ref>PFI has been accused of funding Anti-CAA protest in India.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/pfi-popular-front-of-india-funded-anti-caa-protests-ed-to-mha-2183376|title=Popular Front Of India Funded Anti-CAA Protests: Probe Agency To Centre|website=NDTV.com}}</ref> |
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Pfi was not formed to counter Hindus but to oppose Hindus and establish Islamist supremacy and to subdue others . It's written in their own charter that they want to make india and Islamic state by 2047 ] (]) 08:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Some editors will try to show PFI in positive way. As the article is protected, they will come in talk page. This list of sources that I collected for NPOV noticeboard is kept here for further discussion and references. - <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span> |
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source 8- It was on July 4, 2010 that Joseph, then a professor at Newman College, Thodupuzha, was attacked by a group of Popular Front of India (PFI) activists, who chopped off his right palm for preparing a question paper for the degree examination, that claimed to have defamed Prophet Mohammed. - |
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source 18- (The question paper set off a series of agitations. Fundamentalist Islamic outfits like the Popular Front of India (PFI) and moderate parties like the Indian Union Muslim League held protest demonstrations against Joseph and his college,) |
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source 23- The Supreme Court on Monday dismissed a plea by the Bengaluru president of Islamist organisation, Popular Front of India against initiation of trial for his alleged involvement into murder of an RSS activist, Rudresh in the city on October 16, 2016. |
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source 25- “We have been sending periodic reports to the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) seeking a ban on these outfits. The reports are based on their day-to-day functioning, their role in inciting communal tensions, their active participation in sensitive issues, among other things,” explained an Intelligence Bureau official. - |
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source 26- The communist government of Kerala has, however, recognized a threat in the activities and growth of PFI. V.S. Achuthanandan, the state’s Chief Minister and a Politburo member of the Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M), at a press conference in New Delhi on July 24, 2010, declared that the PFI and its allies were plotting to make Kerala a "Muslim-dominated" state within 20 years: "For achieving that goal, the outfit is pumping money to attract youth and giving them weapons… Youngsters are being given money and lured to convert to marry Muslim women..." |
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:<s> {{ping|Extorc}},</s> AntonyGonzalveZ please sign. @AntonyGonzalveZ, Misplaced Pages editors should not be editorializing articles in positive or negative way. Most of the above sources are insufficient as they fail ]. ], and New Indian Express are not even reliable sources. India Today similarly should only be used rarely for political articles due to its pro government bias. I would suggest looking at journals and books to see how PFI is covered in HISTRS. If there is no conviction in cases, then they also run foul of ] and ]. Unnecessary mention should be avoided. Please prune them if you have added undertrial non notable cases. If there are pages for notable crime, you can add a line here to link them. If there are no article for the incident as it is not a notable event, it should not be added here. |
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::{{ping|Venkat TL}}, The sources weren't originally added by me, all I have here is adding {{done}} tags in front of those I have added into the page. Ill be more careful about the ]. ], ] and ] from now on. tq <span style="font-family:Monospace;color:black">>>> ].]</span> 14:13, 30 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:Although I am not sure why does ] applies here, this is not a History related article, is it? <span style="font-family:Monospace;color:black">>>> ].]</span> 14:15, 30 May 2022 (UTC) |
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::Political history. Indian post independence history. <s>Please sign your Original post above.</s> ] (]) 14:19, 30 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:::The post wasn't made by me. It was made by @] <span style="font-family:Monospace;color:black">>>> ].]</span> 14:42, 30 May 2022 (UTC) |
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::::Sorry, since you were working on marking the list, I just assumed it was your OP. Please disregard my comments above, they were in response to AntonyGonzalveZ and not to Extorc. ] (]) 16:59, 30 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::No issues. Thanks. <span style="font-family:Monospace;color:black">>>> ].]</span> 17:54, 30 May 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::I have made some major redactions as they were violations of ] and ]. Also removed a few ]. ] (]) 17:48, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== PFI mostly defamed by the media and RSS IT cell == |
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PFI is mostly defamed by the media and the RSS and BJP IT cell as it is founded and run by Muslims . As the origination had founded by the constitution of India. The origination mostly talked about the empowerment of minority's in the political representation in Indian politics as the minority's population about 30% out of 100 and the political representation is 3 to 4% . ] (]) 05:25, 1 August 2022 (UTC) |
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:@] How "the origination had founded by the constitution of India"? Do you have any evidence to support this claim? Please provide reference. ] (]) 17:47, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== Baseless Allegations on PFI == |
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When the horrific incident happed in Hathras distice of UP state that the fore upper caste (the vote bank of bjp) has gang raped and murdered the dalit The Uttar Pradesh police have arrested four people and charge UAPA including a journalist when they were on their way to Hathras district, where the gangrape and brutal assault of a Dalit woman has sparked nationwide outrage. Responding to the UP police’s attempt to link Popular Front of India (PFI) to the case by alleging a conspiracy to incite caste violence, PFI has discarded the allegation as being “completely baseless and ridiculous” and an “attempt by the Uttar Pradesh government to divert the attention away from its failure to handle the Hathras rape case.” |
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https://thecognate.com/baseless-allegations-sensational-news-devoid-of-facts-pfi-over-up-polices-claims-of-conspiracy-to-defame-govt/ ] (]) 05:39, 1 August 2022 (UTC) |
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:@] What are you trying to say? ] (]) 17:46, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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In the Criticism and accusations section, under the heading/subsection, "Creation of an Islamic State in India", please add this: The PFI wanted to establish Islamic rule in India by 2047 as per the ].<ref name="e270">{{cite web | last=Ramdas | first=P | title=PFI wanted to establish Islamic rule in India by 2047: NIA | website=The New Indian Express | date=26 June 2024 | url=https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2024/Jun/26/pfi-wanted-to-establish-islamic-rule-in-india-by-2047-nia-3 | access-date=2 October 2024}}</ref> ] (]) 16:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC) |
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In the, "Criticisms and accusations" section, please change, "The various allegations against PFI have been made" to, "Various allegations against the PFI have been made.".- ] (]) 19:01, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> Thank you. ] (]) 19:04, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:11 days have passed since I made this request. How do I get someone to respond or carry out my request?-] (]) 13:47, 13 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Done sorry for the delay.] (]) 17:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Please change, "Various allegations against the PFI have been made however,....." to, "Various allegations against the PFI have been made, however,....." in that section.-] (]) 19:40, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> "Various allegations have been made against PFI, however .." I think "the PFI" is not correct. ] (]) 19:57, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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In the Criticism and accusations section, under the heading/subsection, "Links to terrorist organizations", please change this sentence, "In November 2019, the Central Government provided Z category security to Justice S. Abdul Nazeer, one of the judges of the Supreme Court of India and part of the bench which passed the Ayodhya verdict" to, "In November 2019, the Central Government provided Z category security to Justice S. Abdul Nazeer, one of the judges of the Supreme Court of India and part of the bench which passed the Ayodhya verdict, due to threats by the PFI". ] (]) 16:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Please add that the NIA and ED raided many PFI offices all over India, using as a source. ] (]) 10:01, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:A sentence can be added thus: "A clamour to ban the PFI has grown louder amid nationwide ], ] raids."<ref name="Hindustan Times 2022">{{cite web | title=Clamour to ban PFI grows louder amid nationwide NIA, ED raids | website=Hindustan Times | date=22 September 2022 | url=https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/calls-for-ban-on-popular-front-of-india-grows-amid-nationwide-nia-ed-raids-101663833625627.html | access-date=22 September 2022}}</ref> |
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::{{U|DogeChungus}}, can you do the needful? I am requesting you as you added something similar.-] (]) 13:51, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done for now:''' please establish a ] for this alteration ''']''' using the {{tlx|edit extended-protected}} template.<!-- Template:EEp --> ] (]) 15:13, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::{{U|Venkat TL}}, you have removed a lot of sentences which were added with reliable sources, including the sentences in the lead. Don't you think they should be in the body somewhere, if not in the lead? {{U|DogeChungus}} had added a sentence with a reliable source and if it doesn't belong in the lead, you should put it in the body somewhere. It looks like you are trying to make this article one sided (that the PFI is a good organization)-] (]) 17:25, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:::IP User, Are you trying to make it so that PFI is a bad organization? Your requests makes it so. Read the threads above. ] (]) 17:32, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:::{{U|Venkat TL}}, You changed the first sentence from "Islamist extremist organisation" which is what the sources say to "Islamic non-profit organization". You have also removed many sentences which showed the PFI in poor light. Are you trying to defend the PFI?-] (]) 17:40, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::IP User, I have only added the same type, that was mentioned in the infobox. Whatever the infobox says, the ] must also say the same. Before you respond here. I would urge you to read ] and ] to understand why I am making these edits. ] (]) 17:43, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::You can change the unsourced matter in the infobox and keep the sentence in the lead, that it is an, "Islamist extremist organisation" (as per the source used).-] (]) 17:48, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::.....or are you biased in favour of the PFI?-] (]) 17:49, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::@IP User. Look Washington Post is a reliable source. The quote is there for you to read, if you cannot see the article. The source nowhere says that it is extremist organisation. Please provide source. If you have not read and understood what ] and ] policy means, you will keep making wild speculations. Please read and follow the Misplaced Pages policies. ] (]) 17:51, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::::The WaPo says, "Authorities say they fear that the group has become an example of how extremism can creep into a society, even one in which the vast majority of Muslims are not conservative. ... "They are trying to radicalize the Muslim community, but many Muslims have a good life here and their problems are not the same as those in Gaza or Afghanistan," said P. Vijayan, the Kerala police commissioner." which doesn't say that it is an, "Islamic non-profit organization".-] (]) 17:58, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::::Correct. And it does not say that is an Islamic extremist organization either. ] (]) 17:59, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::::::The second source (The New Indian Express) says, "Kerala Police unmasks PFI's terror face".-] (]) 18:03, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::::::You can also make it Islamic terrorist organisation<ref name="Desk 2022">{{cite web | last=Desk | first=Explained | title=Who are the PFI, and why are premises linked to them being searched by the NIA? | website=The Indian Express | date=22 September 2022 | url=https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-politics/popular-front-of-india-nia-raids-kerala-karnataka-explained-8165781/ | access-date=22 September 2022}}</ref><ref>{{cite web | title=Multiple raids on PFI in ‘anti-terror’ crackdown | website=Hindustan Times | date=22 September 2022 | url=https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/multiple-raids-on-pfi-in-anti-terror-crackdown-101663866800146.html | access-date=22 September 2022}}</ref> (using these new sources).-] (]) 18:10, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::::::So ? that is not enough to say what you want to write there. See. The infobox said Non profit. And their https://www.instagram.com/pfiofficial/?hl=en official page is also categorized as the same. I have added it. Controversial claims and allegations are discussed in the criticism section. IF every ] source discussing PFI called it "Islamist extremist" like they do for ISIS and Taliban, then we can write that. Till then we would need to wait for the ] and ] sources to say so first. Please let me know if you want me to explain more. ] (]) 18:11, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::::::IP user, in your link the only single mention of extremist is in the line "Although the PFI has not been proscribed by the Government of India, the BJP has often tried to paint the group as being extremist on account of its pro-Muslim stance." I hope you can understand that this is not enough to tag an organization as such. Please search PFI on ] and other reputed journals. They will have more weight and then we can update the type based on whatever the ] are saying. Links with allegations are not enough. ] (]) 18:14, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::Did you read all the 3 sources I mentioned (and visible below)? I found 15 references on JSTOR - you can probably use some of them (unless you are biased).-] (]) 18:34, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::::No I did not check the new links. Let me check. Please post new links at the bottom. Do not edit old comments. Please add new links in a new comment at the bottom, or else it may not be seen.] (]) 18:37, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::::If you say biased once again, I will stop responding. See and follow ]. Your JSTOR search result linked to this source Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies. “WEST ASIA.” Charting Global Transitions. Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies, 2015. http://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep09385.6. that says it is islamist org. |
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::::::::::::::Another source calls PFI as a "frontier Islamist organisations" ARAFATH, P K YASSER. “The Nadapuram Enigma: A History of Violence and Communalism in North Malabar (1957—2015).” Economic and Political Weekly 51, no. 15 (2016): 47–55. http://www.jstor.org/stable/44002688. |
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::::::::::::::forces of political Islam - DENNIS, SUBIN. “Kerala Elections: Nothing Mysterious.” Economic and Political Weekly 46, no. 25 (2011): 127–28. http://www.jstor.org/stable/23018677. |
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::::::::::::::Islamic group KEATING, JOSHUA E. “IN BOX: THE STORIES YOU MISSED IN 2010.” Foreign Policy, no. 183 (2010): 10–20. http://www.jstor.org/stable/29764932. |
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::::::::::::::Others dont qualify the org as anything. ] (]) 18:45, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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I just included The Indian Express link into the article along with the quote. Please check my edit here. ]. Again, this is just allegation, so it can only be added in the criticism section. Hope my edit helps you. ] (]) 18:35, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:{{U|Venkat TL}}, A sentence can be added thus in that section: "A clamour to ban the PFI has grown louder amid nationwide ], ] raids."<ref name="Hindustan Times 2022">{{cite web | title=Clamour to ban PFI grows louder amid nationwide NIA, ED raids | website=Hindustan Times | date=22 September 2022 | url=https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/calls-for-ban-on-popular-front-of-india-grows-amid-nationwide-nia-ed-raids-101663833625627.html | access-date=22 September 2022}}</ref>-] (]) 18:57, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::Please reply with the exact phrase you want to be included (in the criticism section?) ] (]) 19:03, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:::{{U|Venkat TL}}, the reference which was supposed to be here has gone to the bottom of the next section - please correct it.-] (]) 19:10, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::Done, you can add {{tlx|reflist talk}} if you post reference on talk page. what is the line you are suggesting to add? ] (]) 19:12, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::I thought that in that section, a sentence: "A clamour to ban the PFI has grown louder amid nationwide ], ] raids."<ref name="Hindustan Times 2022">{{cite web | title=Clamour to ban PFI grows louder amid nationwide NIA, ED raids | website=Hindustan Times | date=22 September 2022 | url=https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/calls-for-ban-on-popular-front-of-india-grows-amid-nationwide-nia-ed-raids-101663833625627.html | access-date=22 September 2022}}</ref> would be good to add but if you can check out the reference I cited, you may be able to format the sentence in a better way -] (]) 19:16, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::Actually I am not convinced if we should add this line or a rephrase of this line, because it is only allegations. I have already covered this in the phrase that I added here, ] . Yes it is true, that BJP had always wanted PFI to be banned. But the Union GOI has not yet banned it even though the Union GOI is BJP led, means there aren't enough evidence to ban PFI. And if challenged the ban will be removed by the courts due to lack of evidence, hence no ban yet. If these raids covered in the article you linked are of any substance, and they are able to prove in court then may be GOI can ban. ] (]) 19:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:11 days have passed since I made this request. How do I get someone to respond or carry out my request?-] (]) 13:47, 13 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Very sorry for the delay.] (]) 17:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{re|Pharaoh of the Wizards}} I see that you have just copied and pasted the whole thing but you were supposed to avoid copying the first bit, that is, the sentence to be replaced. Please delete the old sentence now (and add links where they are needed).-] (]) 19:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC) |
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The PFI has been described as a 'terrorist' organisation by Indian security apparata, and an extremist, Islamist fundamentalist one by various parties across the political spectrum. Calling it a 'non-profit' organisation makes one wonder if there is a ]. ] (]) 05:02, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:Done hopefully got it right this time.] (]) 19:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:How did the lead characterize the organisation before the changes were made to it to esteem it as a "non-profit" Islamic organization, a characterization that does not in fact correctly characterize it in view of how it is actually putated by reliable sources, and honestly savours of whitewashing. ] (]) 07:39, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::Earlier, it used to say something along the lines of 'the PFI is an Indian fundamentalist organisation...' Someone changed it to this and then locked the page for extended-confirmed users. ] (]) 09:08, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::{{re|Pharaoh of the Wizards}} Please remove the inverted commas and add a full stop at the end of the sentence.-] (]) 03:27, 16 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:Done hopefully it is right now.] (]) 03:40, 16 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::The lead characterised it as an "extremist Islamic" organisation . The description was cited to three sources, two of which (, ) do not use the term "extremist" to describe the organisation. These sources are reporting on police investigations and to extrapolate such a conclusion from that is a violation of ] and constitutes ], the two sources are also not unambiguous RS. The third source is which does mention the term and attributes it to "authorities", otherwise leaving it somewhat vague. |
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::During the changes ], which covers the topic in much more depth and states that {{xt|"Although the PFI has not been proscribed by the Government of India, the BJP has often tried to paint the group as being extremist on account of its pro-Muslim stance."}} The article at present clearly represents the allegations in a dedicated section called "Criticism and accusations" (note though, this is discouraged per ]) instead of representing it as a fact as it did previously. The changes appear to have been an improvement of what was previously a POV ridden article that misrepresented sources. |
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::I see no basis for your claim of "whitewashing", if you think there are conduct issues take it to ANI. Otherwise you need to stick to discussing content and not throw ]. <span style="background-color:#B2BEB5;padding:2px 12px 2px 12px;font-size:10px">] <sub>]</sub></span> 09:16, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:::It is surely not on us to characterize this organisation as extremist unless its proponent can adequately establish that such a characterization is in vogue in reliable scholarly sources (as against news sources) and ensure compliance with the relevant MOS guideline. So this is something to discount at the outset itself. However, to endorse the current characterisation also tantamounts to lending credence to the group's POV in Misplaced Pages's words and that won't wash either, particularly when it has not found such a disengenous label in reliable sources. At present, two references are cited in the article to undergird the label; and while I could not find anything concerning the subject whatsoever on the pages cited for it in the first source at first blush, the second source is just the group's Instagram handle and that's simply ridiculous to put it mildly. This now takes me to the diction proffered by ] above and I feel it's the most closest to embodying the wording used by reliable sources. ] (]) 11:12, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::I have added some more sources to support the non profit type. |
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::::* {{cite news |last1=Singh |first1=Sumit Kumar |last2=Singh |first2=Jitendra Bahadur |title=Popular Front of India: From 'social' outfit to facing ban |url=https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/popular-front-of-india-social-outfit-verge-of-being-banned-2003551-2022-09-22 |access-date=23 September 2022 |work=India Today |quote=The Popular Front of India (PFI) that came into existence as a non-profit organisation with an aim to fight for the rights of minorities, Dalits, and marginalised communities |date=23 September 2022 |language=en}} |
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::::*{{cite news |title=Mangalore Today |url=https://www.mangaloretoday.com/mainnewsprint/Six-PFI-activists-join-Islamic-State-claims-Kerala-Police.html |work=mangaloretoday.com |quote=Kerala’s Popular Front of India (PFI), a non-profit organisation}} |
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::::*{{cite web |title=Popular Front of India- Understanding the Propaganda and Agenda |url=https://www.sadf.eu/working-paper-21-popular-front-of-india-understanding-the-propaganda-and-agenda/ |website=SADF |quote=Societies Registration Act 1860 under which the PFI is registered as a Non-Profit Organisation |access-date=23 September 2022 |date=17 June 2020}} |
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::::*{{cite news |title=Official page Popular Front of India (@pfiofficial) |url=https://www.instagram.com/pfiofficial/?hl=en |access-date=22 September 2022 |work=instagram.com |quote=Popular Front of India, Nonprofit organization |language=en}} |
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:::::The subject matter has recieved enough scholarly coverage for us to discount such news and primary sources that do not provide an intellectually independent description of the organisation to suffice our purpose. And in view of the wording they use, to circumscribe our characterization of the subject to just a "non-profit" org is a gross non-observance of ]. Please read the sources above and appreciate concerns that have been raised because these Instagram handles and bunch of news reports do nothing to address them. ] (]) 12:44, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::What are you asking me to do? What is your proposal? There are 4 links above and all you see is Instagram. Please check the other three also that I put before the fourth one. ] (]) 12:50, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::::There are better sources for supporting "Islamic fundamentalist" as per the scholarly sources provided above. You must keep it as "Islamic organisation" until the consensus has been reached for either "Islamic nonprofit organization" or "Islamic fundamentalist". <span style="font-family:Monospace;color:black">>>> ].]</span> 13:35, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::::There's only one source that uses the specific term "fundamentalist" and it's not a scholarly source so that's a no go. Non-profit is just its form of registration, I'd suggest including it later in the lead instead of the first sentence. <span style="background-color:#B2BEB5;padding:2px 12px 2px 12px;font-size:10px">] <sub>]</sub></span> 14:40, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:::You do bring up a good point that we should not be using the group's own description and secondary scholarly sources would have more weight than news sources. The instagram account is irrelevant and can be discarded, however news sources can of course be used alongside scholarly sources |
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:::That said the sources you have brought are not very useful, all of them mention the organisation in passing dedicating at best one sentence to it. For instance the first is about India-Saudi Arabia relations and the second one is about Gandhi and RSS's relation. The fourth link doesn't appear to even be a scholarly source and the third one is a ], that doesn't describe the organisation itself as anything. The presence of sparse mentions like this doesn't necessarily mean they will supersede high quality newspapers that have covered this subject in depth, the ''The Indian Express'' article is still one of the strongest source among these. |
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:::So I tried looking for other secondary scholarly sources and from what I can see there's the following two which are more specific to topics related to the subject, i.e Kerala politics. But even these sources mention PFI in passing, referring to them as "Islamist" and "force of political Islam" respectively. |
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:::* {{Cite journal |last=Arafath |first=P K Yasser |date=2016 |title=The Nadapuram Enigma: A History of Violence and Communalism in North Malabar (1957—2015) |url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/44002688 |journal=Economic and Political Weekly |volume=51 |issue=15 |pages=47–55 |issn=0012-9976|via=JSTOR}} |
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:::* {{Cite journal |last=Dennis |first=Subin |date=2011 |title=Kerala Elections: Nothing Mysterious |url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/23018677 |journal=Economic and Political Weekly |volume=46 |issue=25 |pages=127–128 |issn=0012-9976|via=JSTOR}} |
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:::Then there is the following source which appears to be the only one that has studied PFI in depth. |
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:::* {{Cite book |last=Emmerich |first=Arndt-Walter |title=Islamic Movements in India: Moderation and its Discontents |date=2019 |publisher=Routledge |isbn=978-1-000-70672-7 |language=en}} |
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:::I haven't covered all of it, most of the book is about PFI but I spent some time skimming through it. The book seems to even veer away from describing it as an Islamist group making a point to distinguish it from other Islamist groups. The primary description seems to be "a growing Muslim-minority and youth movement" and "Islamic movement" which is what I would suggest incorporating in the lead sentence. This is the ] and should form the basis for the article. I should also point out the book is in line with the description of ''The Indian Express'' article. Description such as "Islamist", "radical and orthodox organisation", etc could be included later on in the lead and/or body keeping appropriate context in mind. <span style="background-color:#B2BEB5;padding:2px 12px 2px 12px;font-size:10px">] <sub>]</sub></span> 14:37, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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{{talkquote|In particular, we find recent works such as those of Arndt Emmerich problematic for its characterization of the PFI in coastal Karnataka as a model of right-centred citizenship politics of Muslims (Emmerich, 2019). Emmerich seems to have accepted the claims and arguments of the PFI officebearers without dispute and moreover, he does not venture into examining several allegations of violence and religious radicalism put forward by the state, secular organizations, and most importantly, other major Muslim political and religious organizations, against the PFI.<ref>{{citation |first1=R. |last1=Santhosh |first2=Dayal |last2=Paleri |title=Ethnicization of religion in practice? Recasting competing communal mobilizations in coastal Karnataka, South India |journal=Ethnicities |year=2021 |volume=21 |number=3 |pp=563–588 |doi=10.1177/1468796820974502}}</ref>}} |
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I have also found his coverage pussy-footing around facts. For example, he says PFI is "closely connected" to other organisations like SDPI, CFI etc. making it appear as if they are independent organisations, whereas almost everybody else describes them as offshoots of PFI. -- ] (]) 19:03, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for bringing this up, I had missed this source. This does indicate that Emmerich (2019) should not be given as much weight and balanced with Santhosh, Pareli (2021) which also covers PFI in significant depth and is in line with the characterisation of the organisation as an Islamist group. I have edited the first couple sentences with the sources we have now, see if that works. <span style="background-color:#B2BEB5;padding:2px 12px 2px 12px;font-size:10px">] <sub>]</sub></span> 20:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:: Good improvements. But I don't think "Islamist" is correct. Santhosh & Pareli just mention it vaguely. But Emmerich gives substance that shows they are not: {{tq|He was upset that the PFI has “departed from Maududi’s teaching and the Islamic principle of the Caliphate”, which generated some bemused reactions among the other guests.}} (p. 59). They are radical and extremist, but not Islamist. JIH is Islamist though it is moderate. -- ] (]) 13:44, 24 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:::Fair enough, I have changed "Islamist" to "Muslim", which should be the more accurate description. <span style="background-color:#B2BEB5;padding:2px 12px 2px 12px;font-size:10px">] <sub>]</sub></span> 10:13, 25 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:::: Yeah, ok, for the time being. I think we are looking for the Muslim equivalent of "Hindu nationalist", for which no term exists yet. -- ] (]) 15:37, 25 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 September 2022 == |
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{{edit extended-protected|Popular Front of India|answered=yes}} |
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The ], popularly known as "SDPI" is regarded as the political wing of the Islamic organization Popular Front of India (PFI).<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.livemint.com/news/india/six-members-of-radical-islamist-organisation-arrested-in-bengaluru-11579256822248.html|title=Six members of radical Islamist organisation arrested in Bengaluru|website=Live Mint|date=17 January 2020 }}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.ndtv.com/south/kerala-school-forced-to-drop-vande-mataram-from-independence-day-eve-fete-649334|title=Kerala School Forced to Drop 'Vande Mataram' from Independence Day Eve Fete|website=NDTV}}</ref><ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/from-india-today-magazine/story/20100816-islamic-fundamentalists-rears-its-head-in-kerala-743749-2010-08-07 | title=Islamic fundamentalists rears its head in Kerala }}</ref><ref> |
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{{Cite journal |last=Dennis |first=Subin |title=Kerala Elections: Nothing Mysterious |url=http://www.jstor.org/stable/23018677 |journal=Economic and Political Weekly |volume=46 |issue=25 |pages=127–128 |jstor=23018677 |date=2011}} |
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{{cite news |title=Kerala Police unmasks PFI's terror face |url=https://www.newindianexpress.com/thesundaystandard/2013/apr/28/kerala-police-unmasks-pfis-terror-face-472325.html |work=The New Indian Express}} |
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: I copied it from the ] article. ] (]) 10:01, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> IP user have you read these sources you linked? Can you provide quote from these sources that support the proposed line? ] (]) 10:52, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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==Recent removals== |
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I have undone the recent removals by Venkat TL given the large number of objections raised in above sections. It is not justifiable to remove sourced content only because it is critical of PFI. Removing allegations because they haven't ended up in conviction shouldn't be done unless the information is itself incorrect or it comes from improper source but we are not seeing that here. <span style="font-family:Monospace;color:black">>>> ].]</span> 11:00, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:@] You are not allowed to restore ] violations and violations of ]. The article was a mess and I wonder how much of this was added by you. If you restore or edit war over this, I will report this. ] (]) 11:13, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::You need to describe which "BLP" violation happened. The version which I restored has been stable for months before you started to remove content that happened to be critical of this organization. <span style="font-family:Monospace;color:black">>>> ].]</span> 11:20, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:::@] naming of multiple individuals accused of crime without convictions. ] (]) 11:27, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::Can you cite the specific examples? If no arrest happened then we can remove those particular names. Conviction is not necessary as long as the text is clearly stating it as mere allegation. <span style="font-family:Monospace;color:black">>>> ].]</span> 11:34, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::@] So you are telling me that you restored everything without even checking if the content that you have restored agrees with the policies of Misplaced Pages or not? and want me to point them out for you? I believe this grossly irresponsible behavior. Please look at my edit summaries, in page history, for example look at ], ], ] Also see ] that says "''The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.''". If you believe that I had wrongly removed something that you believe was appropriate for the article. Please let me know. Do not do blanket reverts like you did here ]. ] (]) 12:02, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::], just an illuminating comment: your construction of the said policy leaves a lot to be desired. These are essentially your edits that have come under the purview of editorial dispute and you should be the first one to make efforts to comply with ] in order to facilitate consensus building...rather than engender and partake in an edit war. ] (]) 12:22, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::::Diffs are the edits where I have removed content that clearly violates the policy. And Extorc added them in ]. Are you saying They are in compliance with policy? All of them? which? Please follow the Policy about, '''] and ]'''. No discussion is needed to remove them. But consensus is needed to restore them. ] (]) 12:34, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::::There is no BLP violation. No I didn't "restored everything without even checking", but because the content existed for months and was vetted by not only me but also {{U|Kautilya3}}. |
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::::::::] was a bad removal because the content talked about ED booking PFI for money-laundering and finding 'financial links' between PFI and anti-CAA protests. ] was even worse and your explanation read like ] because you haven't provided a source which could prove the sting operation to be false. ] is just the same because the content is treating the those allegations as only allegations and talking about charges and arrests. It is completely fine. |
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::::::::You are not allowed to reinstate your problematic edits until you have gained consensus. You made the mass removal and your edits were reverted. Now you are supposed to gain consensus instead of edit warring. That said, you are not in the position to cite ] especially when your explanations are without any basis. <span style="font-family:Monospace;color:black">>>> ].]</span> 13:29, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::::::The article is obviously in a very poor state, most of it is just an indiscriminate collection of allegations picked out of statements from politicians, police, etc with whatever source one could find. Can you not edit war and keep restoring it? The article needs to summarise the allegations rather than be a page about allegations that it is at present. <span style="background-color:#B2BEB5;padding:2px 12px 2px 12px;font-size:10px">] <sub>]</sub></span> 14:46, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== BLPCRIME == |
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Thirdly, editors must "seriously consider", not blanket-reject, material about committing of crimes. Even when we include the material, we should "seriously consider" omitting names of the alleged perpetrators. But the occurrence of the crime itself is not omitted unless there is serious doubt about it. -- ] (]) 14:53, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:{{talkquote|A living person accused of a crime is ] until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction. For individuals who are ]; that is, individuals not covered by {{section link||Public figures}}, editors must seriously consider {{strong|not}} including material—'''in any article'''—that suggests the person has committed, or is accused of having committed, a crime, unless a conviction has been secured.}} |
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:bolded by me. Notice how that line does not say only on Biographies but says in any article. ] (]) 15:29, 23 September 2022 (UTC) |
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he says<ref>http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/america/2007/07/a_kerala_professor_praises_ter.html</ref> : "'nexus of interests coming together: Hindutva extremists, America, Israel, the Indian elite and all of their neo-liberal policies.' He says that these forces were bent on undercutting the Islamic way of life." |
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He said this is the motto behind the organization's fromation and not just hindutwa. |
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Advocate to add the same in the article. |
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PFI opposes Hindutva extremists, America, Israel, the Indian elite and all of their neo-liberal policies |
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: We use ] sources, and do not cherry-pick quotes for constructing an encyclopedia. -- ] (]) 15:40, 25 September 2022 (UTC) |
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Venkat TL is stating about BLP violation. If the names of accused is not mentioned, then will it be BLP violation, as the article is not about a person? |
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BLP means biography of living person. ] (]) 06:39, 25 September 2022 (UTC) |
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: No. Already discussed in ] above. -- ] (]) 15:42, 25 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== PLI formation motto : ISLAMIC RULE IN INDIA BY 2047 == |
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Popular Front of India (PFI) is an Indian Muslim political organisation, that was formed to counter Hindutva groups and engages in a radical and exclusivist style of Muslim minority politics |
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Popular Front of India (PFI) is an Indian Muslim political organisation, that was formed to counter Hindutva groups, establish Islamic rule in India by 2047, and engages in a radical and exclusivist style of Muslim minority politics<ref>https://zeenews.india.com/india/islamic-nation-sharia-law-what-was-pfis-plan-2047-when-india-completed-100-years-of-independence-2513741.html</ref><ref>https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2022/jul/14/documents-show-pfis-plot-for-making-india-an-islamic-state-by-2047-2476543.html</ref><ref>https://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/report-dna-special-know-all-about-mission-2047-aimed-at-making-india-an-islamic-state-pfi-patna-bihar-2968743</ref><ref>https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/topic/islamic-rule-in-india-by-2047</ref> ] (]) 17:10, 25 September 2022 (UTC) |
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Popular Front of India (PFI) was banned by the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) on Wednesday for its alleged links to terror funding.<ref>https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/government-bans-popular-front-of-india-links-terror-funding-2005597-2022-09-28</ref> ] (]) 01:35, 28 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:{{U|Akshaypatill}}, {{U|Vsa111}}, {{U|Extorc}}, {{U|DogeChungus}},{{U|Kautilya3}}, {{noping|Venkat TL}}, removed a lot of sentences on 23rd September, please restore what you feel was not original research.-] (]) 12:13, 28 September 2022 (UTC) |
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::{{u|ChandlerMinh}}, {{u|Rejoy2003}}, {{u|Phoenix14061990}}, please look into it.-] (]) 12:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> in view of the fact that the existing lead already covers this new development. ] (]) 12:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC) |
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], The mentions of Terror funding with the latest event has been mentioned already.] (]) 12:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 September 2022 == |
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{{edit extended-protected|Popular Front of India|answered=yes}} |
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Remove santosh & paleri source editing this is not reliable source ] (]) 04:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> May I suggest that you acquaint yourself with ] before you elect to edit any further on the project? Scholarly sources are held in high regard and the said source is also written by authors with academic credentials and published by Sage, a reputed publishing company. ] (]) 08:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== Past Tense == |
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I think the terminology should be changed to the past tense because it was banned yesterday and I think the end date should be added in the info box. ] (]) 12:16, 29 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== Grammatical error? == |
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"Popular Front of India (PFI) is a Indian Muslim political organisation, that engages in a radical and exclusivist style of Muslim minority politics." |
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Should be it.. |
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"Popular Front of India (PFI) is an Indian Muslim political organisation, that engages in a radical and exclusivist style of Muslim minority politics."? |
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I know it's a little but it disturbs me a lot ] (]) 07:26, 30 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:Yes, an unfortunate grammatical error that likely was introduced during the recent spree of edits. Thanks for pointing it out, IP! Fixed. ] (]) 07:53, 30 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== Poor citations throughout == |
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Attribution of "radicalism" to any group that is Islamic in nature, especially in light of a fascist state, without very clear backing with violent events initiated solely by the group is already revealing of the subject nature of this. |
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The Outlook link (currently citation 20) doesn't work but the text links the group to Al Qaeda. This is again typical of the far right trolls in India to use Islamophobic ideas en masse to falsify narratives online. |
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Citation 19 is a paper but you cannot find the reference to Taliban or Al Qaeda. ] (]) 11:05, 1 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:@] you are absolutely correct. ] (]) 12:45, 1 October 2022 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 October 2022 == |
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{{edit extended-protected|Popular Front of India|answered=yes}} |
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Please change this sentence in the lead, "It was banned by the Indian Ministry of Home Affairs under Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act (UAPA) on 28 September 2022 for a period of five years." to, " it was banned by the Indian Ministry of Home Affairs under Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act (UAPA) on 28 September 2022 for a period of five years for anti-social activities."- ] (]) 00:10, 2 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:EEp --> ] (]) 11:59, 2 October 2022 (UTC) |
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Pfi was not formed to counter Hindus but to oppose Hindus and establish Islamist supremacy and to subdue others . It's written in their own charter that they want to make india and Islamic state by 2047 Abraca21 (talk) 08:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
In the Criticism and accusations section, under the heading/subsection, "Creation of an Islamic State in India", please add this: The PFI wanted to establish Islamic rule in India by 2047 as per the NIA. QueSera1 (talk) 16:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
In the Criticism and accusations section, under the heading/subsection, "Links to terrorist organizations", please change this sentence, "In November 2019, the Central Government provided Z category security to Justice S. Abdul Nazeer, one of the judges of the Supreme Court of India and part of the bench which passed the Ayodhya verdict" to, "In November 2019, the Central Government provided Z category security to Justice S. Abdul Nazeer, one of the judges of the Supreme Court of India and part of the bench which passed the Ayodhya verdict, due to threats by the PFI". QueSera1 (talk) 16:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The current statement is supported by reliable sources. ''']''' (talk • contribs) 09:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)