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I have , cited to , which has demonstrable errors. |
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Edward Said was not an influence on Talal Asad. Talal’s critical account of Orientalism preceded Said’s book of that name. On the contrary Talal and Edward had substantial disagreements according to Tala Asad. Also Talal’s discussion of Orientalism was published 5 years early the Said’s Orientalism. |
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] (]) 21:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:EEp --> ] (]) 21:34, 14 August 2022 (UTC) |
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# Silvers was editor of the ''Review'' . |
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== Edward Said's father was a veteran of the U.S. Expeditionary Forces, not a U.S. Army veteran == |
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# Obituaries for his brother – who the source claims lived in Israel at the time – . |
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# by and about Said were published in the ''Review'' during that time frame, |
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# "He told me" in a non-peer reviewed essay is hearsay; considering the demonstrable inaccuracies in the source, they can be considered UNDUE, and the source is suspect. |
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] (]) 23:30, 12 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:And a few more Said publications in the ''Review'': |
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The article says Wadie Said obtained US citizenship because he was a US Army veteran, but it would seem he was only a veteran of the U.S. Expeditionary Forces that were disbanded in 1920. ] (]) 19:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC) |
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== Said's response to 1999 Commentary reporting == |
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== Said's father is a Palestinian-American == |
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Hello, the Palestinian National Council subsection (under the Politics section) currently ends with several lines about an investigation by Commentary in 1999 that seem to call into question Said's "claims" about his "Palestinian boyhood". Said's response to these criticisms is not mentioned. Based on , I would like to suggest an addition at the end of the current section, something like: |
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Said's father should be identified as a Palestinian-American. According to the Guardian's obituary "His father Wadie, a Christian, had emigrated to the US before the first world war. He volunteered for service in France and returned to the Middle East as a respectable Protestant businessman - with American citizenship - before making an arranged marriage to the daughter of a Baptist minister from Nazareth. |
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"Said responded to these reports, noting that he had described his upbringing as being split between Jerusalem, Cairo and Lebanon in his 1999 memoir, ''Out of Place''. Said claimed that ''Commentary's'' investigation was intended to discredit Palestinian activism more broadly, stating: "If they can prove that the leading Palestinian intellectual is a liar, what does this say about the rest of the Palestinians?" ] (]) 18:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC) |
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In Out Of Place (1999), the memoir of his childhood and youth, Said described his father, who called himself William to emphasise his adopted American identity, as overbearing and uncommunicative." |
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So while Said's father was born in Palestine (during Ottoman times), he emigrated to the US and later gained citizenship during military service. He returned to the region, then under British control, as an American expat to do business. He married a local woman and raised children. But there is no indication Said's father gave up his citizenship in the US despite living and working in Palestine and Egypt. |
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:I read the paragraph in the PW article you cite, but it is underwhelming. At most, per ], I would write: Said responded that ''Commentary's'' investigation was intended to discredit Palestinian activism by discrediting him. -- ] (]) 18:11, 20 October 2023 (UTC) |
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So he should be identified as Palestinian-American. Compare his identity to that of ] who is identified as "Palestinian-American" because she gained American citizenship during her adulthood but lived most of her life in the Middle East (mostly the Palestinian Territory of the West Bank and also partially in Jordan). If she is Palestinian-American than so is Said's father. |
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For anyone who follows this page (or anyone who reviews this sort of thing), do you think this article is still a GA? It looks to me like it has accumulated quite a bit of cruft and varous pet peeves since it was promoted. -- ] (]) 18:14, 20 October 2023 (UTC) |
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So the sentence "His parents were born in the Ottoman Empire: his mother Hilda Said (née Musa) was half Palestinian and half Lebanese, and was raised in the city of Nazareth; and his father Wadie "William" Said was a Jerusalem-based Palestinian businessman." should instead read "...Wadie "William" Said was a Jerusalem-based Palestinian-American businessman."] (]) 15:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC) |
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I would like to add Edward Said’s son in the info box, Wadie Said, who’s also an accomplished academic. ] (]) 07:12, 21 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:''' this is not the right page to ] additional ]. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you.<!-- Template:EEp --> By "specific", this means you would provide the exact prose to insert, where to insert it, and relevant ] which support the addition. —](]) 07:19, 21 October 2023 (UTC) |
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: After the ], he relocated to Egypt and then to the United States, enrolling at ] and ], respectively. |
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I have , cited to , which has demonstrable errors. |
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The above sentence might be better rendered as |
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# Silvers was editor of the ''Review'' . |
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# Obituaries for his brother – who the source claims lived in Israel at the time – show he did not. |
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: After the ], he relocated to Egypt and then to the United States, enrolling at ] while in Egypyt and ] after arriving in the United States. |
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# by and about Said were published in the ''Review'' during that time frame, |
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for clarity. But as I don’t yet have 500 edits, I don’t have the requisite privileges to make the edit myself. ] (]) 14:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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# "He told me" in a non-peer reviewed essay is hearsay; considering the demonstrable inaccuracies in the source, they can be considered UNDUE, and the source is suspect. |
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: Yes, that is an improvement. Thank you {{u|D A Hosek}}. ] (]) 15:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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I'd like to replace the profile picture. The profile photo of Prof. Edward Said shown in the article is not really a representative one, in the sense that's not how he's known around the world. It's also a side profile of the professor, and that's just poor. I have better pictures of him. ] (]) 09:54, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:Misplaced Pages has strict rules about the use of images, so as to avoid copyright violations. If they're pictures you took yourself, you can upload them with ]. Otherwise, you'll have to prove that they're either in the public domain or were released under an applicable Creative Commons license. ] (]) 22:42, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== First wife not mentioned == |
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Would make sense to also add a note that before Mariam he was also married to Maire Jaanus from 1962-1967. It is common knowledge that you can find many sources for online. From example here - https://www.theguardian.com/books/1999/sep/11/2 and here - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/edward-said-37181.html ] (]) 18:35, 2 November 2024 (UTC) |
Said's father should be identified as a Palestinian-American. According to the Guardian's obituary "His father Wadie, a Christian, had emigrated to the US before the first world war. He volunteered for service in France and returned to the Middle East as a respectable Protestant businessman - with American citizenship - before making an arranged marriage to the daughter of a Baptist minister from Nazareth.
In Out Of Place (1999), the memoir of his childhood and youth, Said described his father, who called himself William to emphasise his adopted American identity, as overbearing and uncommunicative."
So while Said's father was born in Palestine (during Ottoman times), he emigrated to the US and later gained citizenship during military service. He returned to the region, then under British control, as an American expat to do business. He married a local woman and raised children. But there is no indication Said's father gave up his citizenship in the US despite living and working in Palestine and Egypt.
So he should be identified as Palestinian-American. Compare his identity to that of Shireen Abu Akleh who is identified as "Palestinian-American" because she gained American citizenship during her adulthood but lived most of her life in the Middle East (mostly the Palestinian Territory of the West Bank and also partially in Jordan). If she is Palestinian-American than so is Said's father.
So the sentence "His parents were born in the Ottoman Empire: his mother Hilda Said (née Musa) was half Palestinian and half Lebanese, and was raised in the city of Nazareth; and his father Wadie "William" Said was a Jerusalem-based Palestinian businessman." should instead read "...Wadie "William" Said was a Jerusalem-based Palestinian-American businessman."ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
for clarity. But as I don’t yet have 500 edits, I don’t have the requisite privileges to make the edit myself. D A Hosek (talk) 14:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
I'd like to replace the profile picture. The profile photo of Prof. Edward Said shown in the article is not really a representative one, in the sense that's not how he's known around the world. It's also a side profile of the professor, and that's just poor. I have better pictures of him. Nzmnsum (talk) 09:54, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
level-4 vital article is rated GA-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
