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| Hope you get it. Wating for your reply. So, I can move the tempalte to ] and make edit to the template or you move it and edit it likewise in ].🙏 ] (]) 07:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | Hope you get it. Wating for your reply. So, I can move the tempalte to ] and make edit to the template or you move it and edit it likewise in ].🙏 ] (]) 07:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
| :@]: Twenty20 cricket is more significant than List A or First-class cricket, thus it should be treated similar to ]. <span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#0078D7;">'''''Vestrian'''''</span>]</span> 08:21, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :: No it shouldn't, and you need to get consensus from cricket editors if you want to treat it differently. ]] (]) 09:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::@]: The T20 template has been like this, in cases of ] it's the List A and First-class templates that should be changed to include all notable competitions. But, I would agree we'd need a wider discussion before making any changes. <span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#0078D7;">'''''Vestrian'''''</span>]</span> 09:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yes Twenty20 cricket is more significant but you should also consider we are not taking about ], it's about domestic Twenty20 cricket. So, why to treate it like ] if there has been a template follwed for domestic competitions like in ] and ] So, in my opinion ] should also be made in same way🙏 . ] (]) 09:32, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::I'd say all cricket navboxes, (regardless of whether international or domestic) should be in the same way. <span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#0078D7;">'''''Vestrian'''''</span>]</span> 09:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::::No it shouldn't, there is difference between international and domestic cricket. Both have different level. So, why to compare it. Rather doing things follwed previously for domestic cricket template. ] (]) 09:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I'd disagree with that and also from your above ], | |||
| :::::* {{tq|no need of defunct competitions to be mentioned}} - why? all related page links should be given in a navbox. | |||
| :::::* {{tq|the are deeply discused in ]}} - so...? | |||
| :::::* {{tq|Only ICC memebrs team competitions should be mentined}} - why is that? | |||
| :::::Also we should do this discussion in a template talk page rather than my user talk page and should get input from other editors as well. <span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#0078D7;">'''''Vestrian'''''</span>]</span> 09:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::* Only ICC memebrs team competitions should be mentined - Beacuse those touranments are only important and necessary for international competitions. | |||
| ::::::* They are deeply discused in ] and no need of defunct competitions to be mentioned - So, every defunt tournament mentioned will make the template longer and currently every ICC memebrs country have many Twenty20 competitions (including leagues) which has made the template longer already. And if any local t20 competitions is being held with out the respective country cricket board why should it be mentioned in template. If you are too concerd about defunct competitions and related page links should be given in a navbox. Then, make a template named ] and place it there. | |||
| ::::::] (]) 10:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Defunct teams should be kept, as it's a navigation box so it helps navigate between them. However, I have realised that not all of these T20 competitions are "domestic" as there are a number of "international" ones that have teams from multiple countries. This seems like it needs a wider discussion at ], though if international T20 tournaments are listed here, the name should not include domestic. ]] (]) 12:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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Hi Vestrian24Bio! Just to clarify something - no one needs to be accused of "keep removing the tag" in relation to WP:PROD, on the grounds that once removed it should never be added back. :) - Bilby (talk) 10:28, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- And this is why the PROD process is a waste of space..... Joseph2302 (talk) 10:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- I totally agree... Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Twenty20 competitions discussion
Hello Vestrian24Bio,
I know you are better editor than me as you have been editing on wikpedia scince very long time. But your move about Template:Twenty20 competitions is worng this time. The domestic cricket competitions templete are written in the way displayed in eg: Template:First-class cricket domestic competitions and Template:List A cricket domestic competitions. So, don't take the things on ego. Anything better is good. This is not international cricket competions. It's domestic cricket competitions, And there is no need of defunct competitions to be mentioned as the are deeply discused in List of Twenty20 cricket competitions. Only ICC memebrs team competitions should be mentined. So, I request to don't mess it.
Hope you get it. Wating for your reply. So, I can move the tempalte to Template:Twenty20 cricket domestic competitions and make edit to the template or you move it and edit it likewise in Template:List A cricket domestic competitions.🙏 Csknp (talk) 07:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Csknp: Twenty20 cricket is more significant than List A or First-class cricket, thus it should be treated similar to Template:International cricket. Vestrian24Bio 08:21, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- No it shouldn't, and you need to get consensus from cricket editors if you want to treat it differently. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Joseph2302: The T20 template has been like this, in cases of WP:CONSISTENT it's the List A and First-class templates that should be changed to include all notable competitions. But, I would agree we'd need a wider discussion before making any changes. Vestrian24Bio 09:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yes Twenty20 cricket is more significant but you should also consider we are not taking about International cricket, it's about domestic Twenty20 cricket. So, why to treate it like Template:International cricket if there has been a template follwed for domestic competitions like in Template:List A cricket domestic competitions and Template:List A cricket domestic competitions So, in my opinion Template:Twenty20 cricket domestic competitions should also be made in same way🙏 . Csknp (talk) 09:32, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'd say all cricket navboxes, (regardless of whether international or domestic) should be in the same way. Vestrian24Bio 09:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- No it shouldn't, there is difference between international and domestic cricket. Both have different level. So, why to compare it. Rather doing things follwed previously for domestic cricket template. Csknp (talk) 09:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'd disagree with that and also from your above comment,
no need of defunct competitions to be mentioned
- why? all related page links should be given in a navbox.the are deeply discused in List of Twenty20 cricket competitions
- so...?Only ICC memebrs team competitions should be mentined
- why is that?
- Also we should do this discussion in a template talk page rather than my user talk page and should get input from other editors as well. Vestrian24Bio 09:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Only ICC memebrs team competitions should be mentined - Beacuse those touranments are only important and necessary for international competitions.
- They are deeply discused in List of Twenty20 cricket competitions and no need of defunct competitions to be mentioned - So, every defunt tournament mentioned will make the template longer and currently every ICC memebrs country have many Twenty20 competitions (including leagues) which has made the template longer already. And if any local t20 competitions is being held with out the respective country cricket board why should it be mentioned in template. If you are too concerd about defunct competitions and related page links should be given in a navbox. Then, make a template named Template:Defunct Twenty20 cricket competitions and place it there.
- Csknp (talk) 10:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Defunct teams should be kept, as it's a navigation box so it helps navigate between them. However, I have realised that not all of these T20 competitions are "domestic" as there are a number of "international" ones that have teams from multiple countries. This seems like it needs a wider discussion at WT:CRIC, though if international T20 tournaments are listed here, the name should not include domestic. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'd disagree with that and also from your above comment,
- No it shouldn't, there is difference between international and domestic cricket. Both have different level. So, why to compare it. Rather doing things follwed previously for domestic cricket template. Csknp (talk) 09:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'd say all cricket navboxes, (regardless of whether international or domestic) should be in the same way. Vestrian24Bio 09:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- No it shouldn't, and you need to get consensus from cricket editors if you want to treat it differently. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)