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== What to write in the lead paragraph now that KH was defeated == |
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Suggested change: Change "Harris lost the general election to her Republican Party opponent Donald Trump" to "Harris was soundly defeated in the 2024 presidential election by her Republican Party opponent, Donald Trump. Harris lost the electoral vote 226-312, and garnered over 4.5 million less popular votes than Trump." ] (]) 19:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:Becasue we try to keep it neutral. ] (]) 11:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:: Exactly - What I am suggesting is both factual and neutral. I don't want this article to be completely laudatory about Harris, and I don't want it to be completely defamatory like the Trump article. ] (]) 14:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::So you do not want it to be negative, by saying she "was soundly defeated"?, Sorry that makes no sense, we say totally neutrally she lost. That is all we need to say. ] (]) 14:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::: She WAS soundly defeated. That is more factual and neutral than referring to Trump lying, racist, misogynistic, and one of the worst Presidents in history, and those terms were all allowed in the lede in the Misplaced Pages article on Trump. I can understand your disappointment about the election results and voters' repudiation of the damage Harris and Biden have caused for four years and what she stands for, but you and your fellow editors and administrators shouldn't let your liberal bias continue to influence Misplaced Pages articles. ] (]) 15:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::This not about Trumps article, it is about here, and we do not engage in tit for tat ]. ] (]) 15:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Please be mindful not to use talk pages as a ]. You can disagree, but your personal political opinions are irrelevant to the discussion. That being said, Trump's lede says "Scholars and historians rank Trump one of the worst presidents in history" as that is reflective of the opinions of scholars and historians, at least for his first term. The same is said for ] and ]. ] (]) ] 15:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:What's to re-write? She lost the 2024 election, that's it. ] (]) 17:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:Donald, is that you? In all seriousness, can we please skip to a ] block? @]'s contributions since their account creation have largely been reverted or been talk page soap boxing. Certainly not enough to warrant letting them continue. Note also the warnings and discussion on their user talk page. —] • ] • ] 17:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::] is the place to discus user conduct, not here. ] (]) 17:46, 8 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::soundly defeated - i think these adverbs are not entertained in Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 13:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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Hello, folks, |
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I was looking into an editor's contributions and came across this subpage they created. Is this typical for politician's articles, do other high profile politicians have these pages? Or should there be a deletion discussion at MFD about it? <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 02:52, 10 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:It is a copy of ] with two changes: Donald Trump article → Kamala Harris article & sources are widely critical of Trump → sources are widely positive of Harris. The Trump sub-page has been linked to on 44 talk pages prior to this edit, though most are the archives of ] with some on other pages like ]. --] (]) 07:20, 10 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Wage theft == |
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:Mmm, well if a witness says they both spoke in Tamil I am unsure we really need anything better (if you speak in Tamil, by inference you can speak it, so it seems a reasonable paraphrasing). But by all means change it to "spoke a few words of Tamil with Ganesan", if this really is a problem ] (]) 15:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:Mmm, well if a witness says they both spoke in Tamil I am unsure we really need anything better (if you speak in Tamil, by inference you can speak it, so it seems a reasonable paraphrasing). But by all means change it to "spoke a few words of Tamil with Ganesan", if this really is a problem ] (]) 15:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::I'll leave this article for a bit before doing anything else in order to get some more input from people watching this page, but my understanding is that a source quoting a witness isn't enough for us to repeat what the witness said as a fact in wikivoice (in addition to potential issues with {{tqq|speaks Tamil}} being ambiguous about the level of language knowledge). I'm also not sure that it'd be particularly worth including something along the lines of {{tq|In 2020, Tel Ganesan stated that he "very briefly spoke in Tamil" with Harris}} in the article (as, at that point, it seems like it may not be particularly worth mentioning); but I'll step out of the discussion for now to allow other editors to opine <code>:)</code> All the best, <span class="skin-invert" style="color:#000"><span style="">‍—‍</span>]<sub>]]</sub></span> 15:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::I'll leave this article for a bit before doing anything else in order to get some more input from people watching this page, but my understanding is that a source quoting a witness isn't enough for us to repeat what the witness said as a fact in wikivoice (in addition to potential issues with {{tqq|speaks Tamil}} being ambiguous about the level of language knowledge). I'm also not sure that it'd be particularly worth including something along the lines of {{tq|In 2020, Tel Ganesan stated that he "very briefly spoke in Tamil" with Harris}} in the article (as, at that point, it seems like it may not be particularly worth mentioning); but I'll step out of the discussion for now to allow other editors to opine <code>:)</code> All the best, <span class="skin-invert" style="color:#000"><span style="">‍—‍</span>]<sub>]]</sub></span> 15:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Ah now ] is a better objection, and on those grounds, I can see an issue with this content, but not with the idea it fails ].SO to the user who added this, why is this relevant? ] (]) 15:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::OK give it another 24 hours, if there is no justification go ahead and remove it as undue. ] (]) 11:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::::{{done|Re-removed}} <span class="skin-invert" style="color:#000"><span style="">‍—‍</span>]<sub>]]</sub></span> 11:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== That article on the list of donors == |
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What happened to that? The last time I saw it, it was one of the largest on Misplaced Pages? ] (]) 00:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:It got divided up. See ] --] (]) 10:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC) |
A Politico article on her campaign just reported, "... the campaign’s decision to stop paying many senior staff as of Saturday, even those initially told they would be paid through the end of the year."
This was worth mentioning when Trump stiffed people that he owed money to, so it's worth mentioning when Harris did the exact same thing.
Without sourcing to directly support the statement of Harris speaking Tamil, therefore, I'd support it being removed from the article as unverifiable – as far as I can see, the current source would only support the fact that someone else said they spoke briefly in Tamil with Harris. I apologise if I should have explained more in my edit summary. All the best, —a smart kitten 15:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)