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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a ]! Please ] your messages on ]s using four ]s (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out ], ask me on {{#if:|]|my talk page}}, or ask your question on this page and then place <code><nowiki>{{helpme}}</nowiki></code> before the question. Again, welcome! <!-- Template:Welcome --> -- ]\<sup>]</sup> 07:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC) I hope you enjoy editing here and being a ]! Please ] your messages on ]s using four ]s (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out ], ask me on {{#if:|]|my talk page}}, or ask your question on this page and then place <code><nowiki>{{helpme}}</nowiki></code> before the question. Again, welcome! <!-- Template:Welcome --> -- ]\<sup>]</sup> 07:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


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Further to my response at my talk page I note that both Longhair and Brian have come to your page to welcome you. Both are great participants here and you have some fundamental links to get you started in terms of understanding. If you need more help please ask at any time.--] <sup>]</sup> 07:31, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, I've added a couple of flags to your account: ] and ]. I hope you find them useful. Let me know if you have any questions. Regards &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 11:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

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Feel free to move this barnstar to wherever in your user space you'd prefer to have it. ] (]) 10:13, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

==Humor at Protected Pages==
As someone who lives on an island (granted its a VERY large island) perhaps you are unaware of what the rules are on the Mainland (thats what we call it) for articles that may be considered political in nature;
# Any cross-party hugfest can only be initiated by the right,
# Any internal hugfest (or support of one another) within the right should NOT be constued as anything more than friendliness and cheerful banter,
# Any internal hugfest (or support of one another) within the left could, should and will result in immediate blocks and bans to the active participants and severe reprimands to any editors that were seen smiling in the general vicinity.
These are just some basic guidelines to assure the safety and sanity of your fellow editors. A good rule of thumb to follow is that if the right is obviously humorous 3 times in a row, some humor from the left will be tolerated since the conversation will be ended via "shrink wrap" at any moment. BTW, sorry about the spelling of humour. ]<small>]</small> 20:25, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Thanks for information ==

<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">] '''Hello HiLo48''', This lousy t-shirt has smiled at you! Smiles promote ] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the ] by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! <br /> <small>''Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''</small></div><!-- Template:Smile -->

== Compliments on your sang froid ==

I can't help but admire your reaction the other day to the namecalling you were subjected to by Encyclopedia91. You must have the patience and forbearance of a saint! I know I would have reacted quite differently. You are a model for us all. Sincerely, --] <sup>]</sup> 21:59, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

==Nice Koekjes ==
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Buster7 has given you a ''']''' which promote fellowship, goodwill and ]. Hopefully this one has made your day better. You can spread the good flavor of ''']''' around Wiki World by giving someone else one. Maybe to a friend or, better yet, to someone you have had disagreements with in the past. Nice Biscuits are very tasty and have been known to calm even the most savage beast. Enjoy! ]<small>]</small><br />

:I just gave a koekje to an Aussie friend, ] and I thought of you. It's fresh. I made it last night. ]<small>]</small> 14:27, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
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== Some words I'm working on ==

Been thinking about this criticism issue for a while. Probably not the ideal place to say this, but I want to try putting the words together. I think criticism sections are almost always going to be inappropriate in Misplaced Pages. Just about everyone has somebody who disagrees with them about something. Some, like outspoken atheists, will have more than many from conservative religious parts of society who disagree. That's a given. We cannot possibly list all the criticism, so what's the point of listing any? We should just describe what's significant about someone (i.e. why they have an article here) and let others decide on the merits of their actions and views. The same goes for people significant for their strong religious views. List those views, and let it stand. Going any further will inevitably create the debate of "how much further?" So, no criticism sections. OK?
:I agree with you 90+%. Criticism sections are lazy writing, often places for sneaking in their point-of-view. They are often a way of taking an obscure critic and giving them promotion by adding their opinions. I often get the impression that some editors start with a point of view and then web search until they find some obscure opinion piece and add it to the article. In these cases, ] and notable ones will do. Instead of putting criticism in its own ghetto, if legit it belongs next to the ideas being presented. Thank you for bringing up an important issue. --] (]) 00:10, 15 July 2011 (UTC)Javaweb
::You two might want to check out ], an essay that discourages the existence of criticism sections and goes over the main points against them.] (]) 22:20, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

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== I support you ==

You were right in the ] talk page. The image you wanted in the lead has a much more "medical", serious and informative tone than the one that the scores of probably American nipple-o-phobic prudes finally forced there. Actually, even from a purely aesthetic point of view the bare breasted image is superior because of the more "charming" expression of the woman in the picture, rather than the a bit like "whatcha lookin' at" expression of the Asian woman. --] (]) 22:01, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

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For your sport work. :)

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== Toilet paper revert ==
As a result of these changes, volunteers responded to disputes in a third of the time, and resolved them 60% faster when compared to May. Successful resolution of disputes increased by 17%. Submissions were 25% shorter by word count.(see )


I respectfully disagree with removing the specific brand mentions from the ] article. While it's true that some brands may be more prevalent in certain regions, the inclusion of these particular brands is justified for the following reasons:
Outside of DRN other simplification has taken place. The ] was closed in August, and ] was closed in September. Nevertheless, around fifteen different forums still exist for the resolution of Misplaced Pages disputes.


Global Presence: Brands such as Charmin are not confined to one country. They are widely available in North America, including Canada and Mexico. This broad distribution demonstrates their significance in the global market. Both Charmin and Cottonelle toilet paper are widely available in Canada and Mexico. You can find them in both countries' major grocery stores and retail outlets.
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Given the success of the past efforts at DR reform, the current RFC proposes we implement:


Cultural Significance: Some of these brands, like ], have achieved a level of cultural recognition, as evidenced by their dedicated Misplaced Pages article. This indicates a notable impact on popular culture and consumer behavior.
1) A '''submission gadget for every DR venue''' tailored to the unique needs of that forum.
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* Designed to improve the quality of requests for DR and the efficiency of DR at that forum.
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* Example form fields: What pages are involved? What users are involved? What is the issue? What resolution is desired?
2) A '''universal dispute resolution wizard''', accessible from ].
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*The wizard would then submit a request for dispute resolution to the selected venue, in that venue's required format (using the logic of each venue's specialized form, as in proposal #1). The wizard would not suggest a venue which the user has already identified in answer to a question like "What other steps of dispute resolution have you tried?".
*Similar to the way the DRN request form operates, this would be enabled for all users. A user could still file a request for dispute resolution manually if they so desired.
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Informative Value: Including specific brands provides readers with concrete examples and can enhance their understanding of the product category. It allows for more detailed comparisons and discussions, particularly when analyzing marketing strategies, packaging design, or consumer preferences.
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We risk losing valuable information and context by removing these specific brand mentions. I propose we reinstate the original content, ensuring it remains neutral and avoids undue promotion. If concerns about specificity persist, we could consider a more general approach, such as categorizing brands by region or market share. However, I believe that the current inclusion of specific brands is appropriate and beneficial to the article.
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Additionally, I would like to point out that it would have been more productive for the editor to raise their concerns on the article's talk page rather than resorting to a full revert. This would have allowed for a more collaborative and constructive discussion about the content. ] (]) 13:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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:] The combined population of the USA, Canada and Mexico would be, at best, 8% of he world's population. And obviously entirely within one continent. That is NOT a global presence. ] (]) 00:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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The image you restored at ] is an atheist graffiti encouraging christians to deconvert. Criticizing a religion and encouraging people to leave it, especially if said religion isn't a protected minority, is free speech. To frame it as religious persecution is dishonest and misleading. ] (]) 11:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
== Proposed closure of RfC/U ==
:That's a matter for discussion on the article's Talk Page, not here. ] (]) 21:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
::The article's talk page is dead. I addressed the issue there awhile ago, when I first removed the image. I received no replies except from IP vandals accusing me of "spreading woke agenda" or other such nonsense. ] (]) 11:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::That's still not a good reason to ask about this on someone's talk page, whatever state the talk page is in is irrelevant. ] (]) 12:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)


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Hello there, I'm a relatively uninvolved user in relation to your editing. I took a read through the RfC/U and proposed a closure at ]. Please read it and see if it is something you could live with. Having read your user page declaration I think that it is. Please let me know. Thanks ] (]) 16:51, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


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:Hasteur, I appreciate what you're trying to do here. For reasons I've outlined many times elsewhere, I regard Misplaced Pages's justice and discipline processes to be appalling opportunities for the bigots and POV pushers to promote their non-constructive and malicious agendas, and pile mud on an accused, with virtually no chance that their behaviour will be scrutinised in that place, nor for the accused to defend themselves, so I really would prefer to not have to look at any of that RFC/U. It will just make me feel like being uncivil because of the masses of nonsense therein. But, because I can see that yours is a good faith proposal, I have had a look at just that section.
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:Again, because I know that many of those who would like to silence me do look at my User pages, I'll copy the proposal here for clarity:
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::''HiLo48 acknowledges that their behavior, at times, is incivil and will endeavor to refrain from the identified language. HiLo48 acknowledges that future incivil behavior may result in suspension of editing privileges or referral to ArbCom for resolution of the long standing conduct dispute.''


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:I would still argue that most of this dispute is not a conduct one, but a content one. That should be obvious to any objective reader who might notice that everybody criticising me over civility has also disagreed with me over content, some very nastily. (But possibly without naughty words, which I think only makes it worse.) Attacking me over civility was always a distraction from the truth, and from making Misplaced Pages a great, objective encyclopaedia.
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:Another point - I would like all involved to look at ]. That's the latest incarnation of an agonisingly slow attempt by some here to firstly define incivility, and then decide on punishment for those evil folk who allegedly display it. The discussion really hasn't got past the definition stage. If Misplaced Pages cannot define incivility, logically, nobody can be disciplined for it. (I know logic doesn't really apply here, sadly, but....) Interestingly, much of that discussion has occurred with virtually no contributions from any of those more interested in attacking me at the RFC/U.

:I will also repeat my point that some of my allegedly uncivil language has successfully drawn attention to some very nasty POV pushing by some of those who have now tried to silence me via the RFC/U, and ended up keeping some appalling, POV nonsense out of Misplaced Pages. I am proud of that. I ask objective observers, which would you prefer - no naughty words, but lots of POV in Misplaced Pages, or occasional telling-it-like-it-really-is on Talk pages, and a better encyclopaedia as a result?

:In conclusion, my position on niceness is made clear at ]. I have no plans to change that position. Ironically, it has been in place since well before the RFC/U, but nobody seemed to notice. Trying to silence an effective enemy must have seemed a much easier option to many than finding out the truth.

:Again, thanks Hasteur for your good faith proposal here. ] (]) 23:56, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

::I think the RfC/U was closed. It's hard to tell. It seems these things aren't publicised very well. Certainly nobody told me. Not sure what it all means. Nothing seems to have changed anywhere. Just a lot of nasty words written about me by people who don't like my approach to the damage they do to Misplaced Pages, while I was off making another few thousand positive contributions. Oh well, such is life. ] (]) 11:52, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

== God, not good ==

Thank you for that. ] (]) 07:47, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

:You're quite welcome :-) ] (]) 07:49, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

== Wayne LaPierre ==

I was probably a little dismissive in my response to your comment on the LaPierre article. Just wanted to thank you for your comment. It is constructive and helpful. ] (]) 05:54, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, HiLo48! Thanks for your welcome, but I've been editing here (mostly on the Reference and Help/Teahouse desks) for about 20 years, and have consciously chosen (so far) to do so without creating an Account, for reasons I won't bore you with. Since my IP (once static) is semi-dynamic, I pseudo-sign myself for continuity purposes "{The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195}" ] (]) 07:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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Hi there HiLo48 - thanks for the welcome. I do a lot of writing, research, editing in my day job, and I have background in a lot of topics spanning media, law, policy, internet and Asia etc. so in some ways I am interested in being a more active editor here. The next few months are pretty busy, though, so I will hold off volunteering just yet. Thanks for the reminder about using four tildes etc. I have got the hang of it now. ] (]) 08:34, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

:Cool. Articles like that one yesterday about Misplaced Pages can be a real problem. They attract all sorts of emotionally involved, single issue newcomers, often with no idea of how Misplaced Pages works, throwing abuse around and generally being unhelpful. It's great that at least one new positively inclined editor has emerged from the drama. My main suggestion to you now is to have a look around. Check out some other articles in your areas of interest. You're bound to find some mistakes that need fixing (I note you've already tackled a couple), and doing so will do a lot to improve your credibility here. Good luck and keep up the good work. ] (]) 20:19, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

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== An edit to please some of my enemies ==

I must draw the attention of the Americans who hate me to this . ] (]) 10:43, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
:Good catch! You seem like a good guy; and no one, American or not, can legitimately claim to "hate" you. It's just a wiki! Thanks again for catching that nonsense! ] ] 02:22, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
::Yeah, that would be a rational position. Obviously religion, by definition, isn't rational, and some (certainly not all) of the adherents here seem determined to silence those with different views. And that's not a rational way to prove that your faith is correct. ] (]) 04:48, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
:::And it's usually a classic example of using the American right to free speech to remove somebody else's. Pure hypocrisy. ] (]) 06:45, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
:No form of nationalistic misinterpretations of the American legal concept of "free speech" is allowed here on WP as a reason to include or exclude content. It's not an "American" issue at all. See ] for the backstory. Legitimate talk page discourse, ''especially'' among those at opposite ends of an argument, cannot be removed according to policy. ] ] 08:07, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

::That would be nice if it could be policed. I've had American editors proclaiming the wonders of their right to use what's given to them by the First Amendment precisely while trying to get me silenced. And it has to be Americans, or the words used would make no sense. And yes, I know it's not all. Many are wonderful people, and it's a great country. But the bigots hold a lot of power here. ] (]) 08:14, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
:Trust me: there is no right to "free speech" here in the way these American editors who say otherwise claim. The First Amendment does not apply here. It's a private website with its own rules, reserving the right to deny access to anyone that isn't going to "work out". Editing Misplaced Pages, like driving an automobile, is a ''privilege'', not a ''right''. So there is no right of free speech. If any of these (fellow) Americans have an issue with this: send them directly to me, and I will clarify it. Cheers : > ] ] 08:26, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
::It would be a step up if it were ruled by it's rules. It's really more a matter of mob rule.<font color ="#0000cc">''North8000''</font> (]) 12:25, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

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== Unacceptable... ==

kind of language is unacceptable. Yes, you could argue that "effing" is not actually swearing, but the intent is what counts, and that is what makes it unacceptable. There's been a RFC and ANI discussions about your incessant failure with the WP:CIVIL requirements of wikipedia. A number of people stood up for you, perhaps because those behind the RFC and ANIs were hardly uninvolved, but it would be poor form to let those "supporters" down now. I strongly recommend you tone it down and quick. But that's just my uninvited advice. --] (]) 02:23, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

:Have you had a word to Surturz about his behaving like an ]? Comments such as mine are not made out of the blue, and I really detest being told my behaviour is unacceptable when others are stuffing up our encyclopaedia. I have done nothing of that kind. What bothers you more? Almost naughty words, or rude/stupid/incompetent behaviour? ] (]) 05:51, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

:And now I've just had another look at that thread. Surturz STILL hasn't responded to the reply I made to the thread HE started. So, he starts a discussion, I respond, he ignores me and, before anyone else responds, he changes the article, and STILL ignores my reply to him. Surturz is either incompetent, or just incredibly bad mannered. Which do think it is? ] (]) 06:02, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

::Cool it HiLo. Don't try and push the envelope of just how close to swearing you can get before you cross the line. I'm not going to block for this, but I will if you repeat it. Your vow still holds good, I trust? ] ] 09:41, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

:::Nah. Had enough of this. Rigorous, rational thinking is out the window here at Misplaced Pages. Incompetence, mediocrity, POV pushing, shallow thinking and appalling manners has been declared acceptable. So long as there's not even a hint of a naughty word, an editor can behave extremely rudely and destructively. That's not building a great encyclopaedia I have several more important things to do with my life right now than spend time on this rubbish and try to have an objective discussion while being ignored. I'm logging off. Might be back. Dunno. ] (]) 17:11, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

:::: I'm not taking sides here but i've never really understood why the F word is so offensive. "effing" is the reason 99% of humans are alive (unless u were artificially conceived). So from my viewpoint "effing" and all its derivatives are positive words. ] ] 22:49, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

==Petition==
We hereby want HiLo48 back editing and making a difference here irrespective of what has happened lately.</br>Sincerely, the following Wikipedians:
*''']<font color="purple">]</font> <sup>(])</sup>''' 14:08, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

*Yes <font color ="#0000cc">''North8000''</font> (]) 14:13, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

::Stop wasting your time on this page folks. I can only return to editing if you convince those who condemned me in the above thread, ] and ], that they are wrong, and get an apology from them to me, and a promise to stop threatening me. And that they are also wrong in not condemning ] for his ill manners, poor procedural behaviour, and apparently just plain ] when he claimed he didn't understand why I reverted his deletion. At this point in time ], a blatant POV pusher and seemingly not very bright person, is sitting there thinking that his behaviour is fine, while I am condemned for trying to raise the standards of conversation here, and maintain balance and the quality of this encyclopaedia. While I am condemned and attacked, and the guilty experience absolutely no consequences, there's no place for me here. ] (]) 19:25, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
:::]...Not everyone gets along HiLo but we're here firstly to make Misplaced Pages better and not to make friends and build a social life. Have you thought of joining ]? ''']<font color="purple">]</font> <sup>(])</sup>''' 21:28, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
::::HiLo you have "thick skin" standards when dishing it out and "thin skin" standards for when others are doing that. Time to change that. Yes, I know Misplaced Pages is unfair, and the imprimatur of those complaining negates my statement a bit, but such is life for now. We want you back as you are. :-) <font color ="#0000cc">''North8000''</font> (]) 21:51, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

:::::You might want me as I am, but ] and ] don't, and the latter has made a very obvious threat that he will block me if I stay as I am. Take it up with him. ] (]) 22:11, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

::::::I wasn't really following what was happening on your page to have much of an opinion...but North (and i never thought i would have to say this) is correct that you usually have a thick skin to most of this stuff and handle it well considering how fast it snowballs and consumes your entire talk page. Still, you're a good influence here and you bring balance. Thanks ''']<font color="purple">]</font> <sup>(])</sup>''' 23:32, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

:::::::Like I said to North, if you really think that's true, please take it up with ] and ] (and maybe ] as well). They obviously don't agree with you. I have nowhere to go. ] (]) 00:14, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
:::::::<small>]. Great project. Can't see how it can help though when it's me that others want to silence.] ] (]) 00:14, 24 March 2013 (UTC)</small>
:::::::*Take a look at ], including ], for content disputes. You surely will only be blocked if you edit war or revert war, or insult or make personal attacks. You should find ] that you can quote or cite to support your viewpoint, rather than arguing over matters of personal opinion. ] (]) 03:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::Please take that link to ]'s Talk page. (Why won't any of you approach the people that led to this situation?) This issue never even really reached the stage of a content dispute. It was that user's blatant disregard for, incompetent use of, and abuse of ] that I was objecting to. Nobody (apart from me) criticised ] for it at all, but ] and ] condemned me for criticising ], just because I used a pretend naughty word. Far too many people here think mischievous words on Talk pages are far more serious offences than damaging actual articles and displaying incredibly bad manners. I cannot agree, and cannot work in such a puritanical and destructive environment. ] (]) 06:12, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

:::::::::Oh, and LittleBenW, if you think I can "''only be blocked if you edit war or revert war, or insult or make personal attacks''", please have a look at ]'s threat in the '''Unacceptable...''' thread above. He doesn't like "effing". You think he's wrong? Please tell him. He obviously won't listen to me. ] (]) 06:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

===Apology===
HiLo48, if I have offended you, I apologise. It was never my intention to do so. --] (]) 07:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

:I appreciate that Surturz. I wasn't so much offended, as stunned that you didn't see the problem with commencing a conversation (which was good), then effectively abandoning and ignoring it after only one response.
::I honestly didn't think I did ignore your reply, and believed I had explained the reasons for the excision I made, but I guess we just live on different wikiplanets :-) --] (]) 10:47, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

:::So why did you start the discussion on the Talk page at all? ] (]) 10:50, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
::::I sometimes post talk page comments to explain what I am doing, rather than to seek consensus for changes I intend to make. If someone reverts, then I will discuss as per ]. I excised some text, claiming it was ] and ] vio, since it uses testimony from a court transcript as a ref. Looking at it again, it isn't even really about Pauline Hanson. You reverted the change, and I wasn't sure on what basis you thought the text should stay, so I asked why. I could only surmise from your response that you felt I should have proposed the excision on the talk page first - you and I seem to differ in our approach here - but in the end only the article content matters, so I'd really like to know whether you actually think the text should stay in the article, or whether you only reverted my change because you felt that I did not follow the proper process. Given our history, I would rather go edit somewhere else than spend hours arguing over every edit with the attendant accusations of POV pushing and bias (from both of us) that seem to characterise our interactions. I am the first to admit that I have been very combative in the past on AUSPOL articles, but in real life I turned forty last year and decided that I should start acting like an adult around here. Furthermore, I had the realisation that WP talk page chatter will likely last FOREVER, and have no desire for my descendants to see how much of a dick old granddaddy Surturz was :-) --] (]) 11:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
:::::The point is that you DID begin a conversation. I replied, in complete good faith, perfectly happy to hear your more detailed thoughts. Then you deleted, with no further discussion. I DO see that as incredibly poor manners. A link from someone above yesterday got me looking at ]. It says "''Talking to other parties is not a formality; it's imperative to the smooth running of any community. Not having a discussion, or discussing poorly, will make people less sympathetic to your position and may prevent you from effectively using later stages in dispute resolution''." So, again, I would be delighted to discuss that article's contents on that article's Talk page, not here.] (]) 20:08, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

:::::Oh, and I do appreciate your acknowledgement that you "''have been very combative in the past on AUSPOL articles.''" Your POV is obvious, and that's possibly the biggest problem. During the recent US Presidential election I closely watched both the Romney and Obama articles, keeping POV pushing, negative garbage out of both. I was accused by both sides of being a supporter of the other. That made me proud. ] (]) 20:25, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Likewise, if anything I've done has made you feel insulted, angry, unsafe or like quitting Misplaced Pages, I apologise. My warning to you above was in response to I regarded your edit as a ] attempt to be as rude as possible while staying within the limits of your self-imposed vow. Without your history and the AN/I and RfC threads about you, it would indeed be completely fatuous to threaten a block for the use of the term "effing". But you do have that history - a history in which, if you'll remember, I stuck my neck out to defend you against a ban proposal.

If you would now like to withdraw from your vow, I'll unwatch your talk page and you can edit as you see fit. I won't block you for any reason, ever, and you can take your chances with the processes here. On the other hand if you intend to stick to your vow you will have to accept that ''other people'', not only you, will have a view about whether or not you have broken it. I'm one of those people. I'm holding you to an unusually high standard of behaviour because that's what you've courageously set for yourself.

On the question about why other people get off lightly, you are well aware of the processes that other people have dragged you to. If you feel that other editors are the problem here, not you, then the best thing is to use AN/I, RfC or other venues rather than making general allegations, without diffs, here on your talk page. You know how the systems work from being on the receiving end - if you have right on your side, make use of the systems. ] ] 11:47, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

:I said I wouldn't swear. I didn't. It must be a massive cultural difference which allows you to be offended by ''effing''. That word was used by a conservative announcer on our national government radio network, the ] the other day. Nobody batted an eyelid. My local parish priest uses the word habitually.

:As for others getting off lightly, if you cannot see what led to my ''effing'' post, or you can and don't see a problem, you're really not paying attention, or really not caring about polite discourse here. ] (]) 20:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

::I wasn't personally offended. But your 'effing' post was intemperate, hostile and (in my opinion) an attempt to game your own vow. My opinion might not gain consensus support if it's ever tested but it is what it is, and it differs from yours. Just as you complain about Americans and their cultural assumptions, you perhaps have your own unexamined assumptions about what is and is not acceptable.

::And no, I can't see what led to your 'effing' post because you haven't made your case anywhere. If you can't be bothered to gather your evidence and report other people using the mechanisms available to you, but they ''can'' be bothered to gather the evidence and report ''you'' then you can't really complain about the consequences.

::The end result of this is that our discussions over the last few months have turned me from a supporter of yours to an increasingly bored critic. I'm disappointed at your insistence on thick skin for others when you are dishing it out, but your thin-skinned reaction to criticism of you. It's particularly a shame that you are an excellent critic of others' cultural assumptions, while being apparently blind to your own.

::But I'm just repeating myself and as you don't seem to be getting this, I won't post here again unless you ask me to. My earlier offer stands: as long as you maintain your vow, I will hold you to it according to my standards. Just lay off the swearing, and the codewords for swearing at people, and you are home free. But if you want to release yourself from the vow just say so, I'll unwatch this page and you are on your own. ] ] 20:26, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

:::I will do everything I can to avoid reporting people here. The ANI processes are appalling, and deliver nothing resembling justice. ] (]) 20:30, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
::::For non-specific topics (e.g. general behavior where the norm is for people to show up and tell lies about anybody they want to get rid of) I would say "appalling" is too nice of a word. AN and ANI in those cases are places of random mob violence, 10 times more destructive than any "ill" that they are addressing. <font color ="#0000cc">''North8000''</font> (]) 20:48, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

::::Yep. ] (]) 20:51, 25 March 2013 (UTC)


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Additionally, I would like to point out that it would have been more productive for the editor to raise their concerns on the article's talk page rather than resorting to a full revert. This would have allowed for a more collaborative and constructive discussion about the content. Whoisjohngalt (talk) 13:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Whoisjohngalt The combined population of the USA, Canada and Mexico would be, at best, 8% of he world's population. And obviously entirely within one continent. That is NOT a global presence. HiLo48 (talk) 00:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

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Misleading information is every reason to remove something

The image you restored at Anti-Christian Sentiment is an atheist graffiti encouraging christians to deconvert. Criticizing a religion and encouraging people to leave it, especially if said religion isn't a protected minority, is free speech. To frame it as religious persecution is dishonest and misleading. 46.97.170.199 (talk) 11:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

That's a matter for discussion on the article's Talk Page, not here. HiLo48 (talk) 21:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
The article's talk page is dead. I addressed the issue there awhile ago, when I first removed the image. I received no replies except from IP vandals accusing me of "spreading woke agenda" or other such nonsense. 46.97.170.199 (talk) 11:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
That's still not a good reason to ask about this on someone's talk page, whatever state the talk page is in is irrelevant. Harryhenry1 (talk) 12:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

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