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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a ]! Please ] your messages on ]s using four ]s (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out ], ask me on {{#if:|]|my talk page}}, or ask your question on this page and then place <code><nowiki>{{helpme}}</nowiki></code> before the question. Again, welcome! <!-- Template:Welcome --> -- ]\<sup>]</sup> 07:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC) I hope you enjoy editing here and being a ]! Please ] your messages on ]s using four ]s (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out ], ask me on {{#if:|]|my talk page}}, or ask your question on this page and then place <code><nowiki>{{helpme}}</nowiki></code> before the question. Again, welcome! <!-- Template:Welcome --> -- ]\<sup>]</sup> 07:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


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Further to my response at my talk page I note that both Longhair and Brian have come to your page to welcome you. Both are great participants here and you have some fundamental links to get you started in terms of understanding. If you need more help please ask at any time.--] <sup>]</sup> 07:31, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, I've added a couple of flags to your account: ] and ]. I hope you find them useful. Let me know if you have any questions. Regards &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 11:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== For keeping the baddies at bay... ==


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Feel free to move this barnstar to wherever in your user space you'd prefer to have it. ] (]) 10:13, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

==Humor at Protected Pages==
As someone who lives on an island (granted its a VERY large island) perhaps you are unaware of what the rules are on the Mainland (thats what we call it) for articles that may be considered political in nature;
# Any cross-party hugfest can only be initiated by the right,
# Any internal hugfest (or support of one another) within the right should NOT be constued as anything more than friendliness and cheerful banter,
# Any internal hugfest (or support of one another) within the left could, should and will result in immediate blocks and bans to the active participants and severe reprimands to any editors that were seen smiling in the general vicinity.
These are just some basic guidelines to assure the safety and sanity of your fellow editors. A good rule of thumb to follow is that if the right is obviously humorous 3 times in a row, some humor from the left will be tolerated since the conversation will be ended via "shrink wrap" at any moment. BTW, sorry about the spelling of humour. ]<small>]</small> 20:25, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Thanks for information ==

<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">] '''Hello HiLo48''', This lousy t-shirt has smiled at you! Smiles promote ] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the ] by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! <br /> <small>''Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''</small></div><!-- Template:Smile -->

== Compliments on your sang froid ==

I can't help but admire your reaction the other day to the namecalling you were subjected to by Encyclopedia91. You must have the patience and forbearance of a saint! I know I would have reacted quite differently. You are a model for us all. Sincerely, --] <sup>]</sup> 21:59, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

==Nice Koekjes ==
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Buster7 has given you a ''']''' which promote fellowship, goodwill and ]. Hopefully this one has made your day better. You can spread the good flavor of ''']''' around Wiki World by giving someone else one. Maybe to a friend or, better yet, to someone you have had disagreements with in the past. Nice Biscuits are very tasty and have been known to calm even the most savage beast. Enjoy! ]<small>]</small><br />

:I just gave a koekje to an Aussie friend, ] and I thought of you. It's fresh. I made it last night. ]<small>]</small> 14:27, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
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== Some words I'm working on ==

Been thinking about this criticism issue for a while. Probably not the ideal place to say this, but I want to try putting the words together. I think criticism sections are almost always going to be inappropriate in Misplaced Pages. Just about everyone has somebody who disagrees with them about something. Some, like outspoken atheists, will have more than many from conservative religious parts of society who disagree. That's a given. We cannot possibly list all the criticism, so what's the point of listing any? We should just describe what's significant about someone (i.e. why they have an article here) and let others decide on the merits of their actions and views. The same goes for people significant for their strong religious views. List those views, and let it stand. Going any further will inevitably create the debate of "how much further?" So, no criticism sections. OK?
:I agree with you 90+%. Criticism sections are lazy writing, often places for sneaking in their point-of-view. They are often a way of taking an obscure critic and giving them promotion by adding their opinions. I often get the impression that some editors start with a point of view and then web search until they find some obscure opinion piece and add it to the article. In these cases, ] and notable ones will do. Instead of putting criticism in its own ghetto, if legit it belongs next to the ideas being presented. Thank you for bringing up an important issue. --] (]) 00:10, 15 July 2011 (UTC)Javaweb
::You two might want to check out ], an essay that discourages the existence of criticism sections and goes over the main points against them.] (]) 22:20, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

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== I support you ==

You were right in the ] talk page. The image you wanted in the lead has a much more "medical", serious and informative tone than the one that the scores of probably American nipple-o-phobic prudes finally forced there. Actually, even from a purely aesthetic point of view the bare breasted image is superior because of the more "charming" expression of the woman in the picture, rather than the a bit like "whatcha lookin' at" expression of the Asian woman. --] (]) 22:01, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

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For your sport work. :)

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== Toilet paper revert ==
As a result of these changes, volunteers responded to disputes in a third of the time, and resolved them 60% faster when compared to May. Successful resolution of disputes increased by 17%. Submissions were 25% shorter by word count.(see )


I respectfully disagree with removing the specific brand mentions from the ] article. While it's true that some brands may be more prevalent in certain regions, the inclusion of these particular brands is justified for the following reasons:
Outside of DRN other simplification has taken place. The ] was closed in August, and ] was closed in September. Nevertheless, around fifteen different forums still exist for the resolution of Misplaced Pages disputes.


Global Presence: Brands such as Charmin are not confined to one country. They are widely available in North America, including Canada and Mexico. This broad distribution demonstrates their significance in the global market. Both Charmin and Cottonelle toilet paper are widely available in Canada and Mexico. You can find them in both countries' major grocery stores and retail outlets.
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Given the success of the past efforts at DR reform, the current RFC proposes we implement:


Cultural Significance: Some of these brands, like ], have achieved a level of cultural recognition, as evidenced by their dedicated Misplaced Pages article. This indicates a notable impact on popular culture and consumer behavior.
1) A '''submission gadget for every DR venue''' tailored to the unique needs of that forum.
* Similar to the one that was deployed, with great success, to the DRN.
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* Designed to improve the quality of requests for DR and the efficiency of DR at that forum.
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* Forms will merely fill out any existing templates (such as Arbcom's) and create a markup-free form in line with specific noticeboard practices otherwise.
* Example form fields: What pages are involved? What users are involved? What is the issue? What resolution is desired?
2) A '''universal dispute resolution wizard''', accessible from ].
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*If the user agrees with the wizard's selection, s/he would then be asked a series of questions about the details of the dispute (for example, the usernames of the involved editors).
*The wizard would then submit a request for dispute resolution to the selected venue, in that venue's required format (using the logic of each venue's specialized form, as in proposal #1). The wizard would not suggest a venue which the user has already identified in answer to a question like "What other steps of dispute resolution have you tried?".
*Similar to the way the DRN request form operates, this would be enabled for all users. A user could still file a request for dispute resolution manually if they so desired.
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Informative Value: Including specific brands provides readers with concrete examples and can enhance their understanding of the product category. It allows for more detailed comparisons and discussions, particularly when analyzing marketing strategies, packaging design, or consumer preferences.
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We risk losing valuable information and context by removing these specific brand mentions. I propose we reinstate the original content, ensuring it remains neutral and avoids undue promotion. If concerns about specificity persist, we could consider a more general approach, such as categorizing brands by region or market share. However, I believe that the current inclusion of specific brands is appropriate and beneficial to the article.
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Additionally, I would like to point out that it would have been more productive for the editor to raise their concerns on the article's talk page rather than resorting to a full revert. This would have allowed for a more collaborative and constructive discussion about the content. ] (]) 13:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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:] The combined population of the USA, Canada and Mexico would be, at best, 8% of he world's population. And obviously entirely within one continent. That is NOT a global presence. ] (]) 00:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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The image you restored at ] is an atheist graffiti encouraging christians to deconvert. Criticizing a religion and encouraging people to leave it, especially if said religion isn't a protected minority, is free speech. To frame it as religious persecution is dishonest and misleading. ] (]) 11:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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:That's a matter for discussion on the article's Talk Page, not here. ] (]) 21:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
::The article's talk page is dead. I addressed the issue there awhile ago, when I first removed the image. I received no replies except from IP vandals accusing me of "spreading woke agenda" or other such nonsense. ] (]) 11:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::That's still not a good reason to ask about this on someone's talk page, whatever state the talk page is in is irrelevant. ] (]) 12:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)


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Hello there, I'm a relatively uninvolved user in relation to your editing. I took a read through the RfC/U and proposed a closure at ]. Please read it and see if it is something you could live with. Having read your user page declaration I think that it is. Please let me know. Thanks ] (]) 16:51, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


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:Hasteur, I appreciate what you're trying to do here. For reasons I've outlined many times elsewhere, I regard Misplaced Pages's justice and discipline processes to be appalling opportunities for the bigots and POV pushers to promote their non-constructive and malicious agendas, and pile mud on an accused, with virtually no chance that their behaviour will be scrutinised in that place, nor for the accused to defend themselves, so I really would prefer to not have to look at any of that RFC/U. It will just make me feel like being uncivil because of the masses of nonsense therein. But, because I can see that yours is a good faith proposal, I have had a look at just that section.
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:Again, because I know that many of those who would like to silence me do look at my User pages, I'll copy the proposal here for clarity:
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::''HiLo48 acknowledges that their behavior, at times, is incivil and will endeavor to refrain from the identified language. HiLo48 acknowledges that future incivil behavior may result in suspension of editing privileges or referral to ArbCom for resolution of the long standing conduct dispute.''


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:I would still argue that most of this dispute is not a conduct one, but a content one. That should be obvious to any objective reader who might notice that everybody criticising me over civility has also disagreed with me over content, some very nastily. (But possibly without naughty words, which I think only makes it worse.) Attacking me over civility was always a distraction from the truth, and from making Misplaced Pages a great, objective encyclopaedia.
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:Another point - I would like all involved to look at ]. That's the latest incarnation of an agonisingly slow attempt by some here to firstly define incivility, and then decide on punishment for those evil folk who allegedly display it. The discussion really hasn't got past the definition stage. If Misplaced Pages cannot define incivility, logically, nobody can be disciplined for it. (I know logic doesn't really apply here, sadly, but....) Interestingly, much of that discussion has occurred with virtually no contributions from any of those more interested in attacking me at the RFC/U.

:I will also repeat my point that some of my allegedly uncivil language has successfully drawn attention to some very nasty POV pushing by some of those who have now tried to silence me via the RFC/U, and ended up keeping some appalling, POV nonsense out of Misplaced Pages. I am proud of that. I ask objective observers, which would you prefer - no naughty words, but lots of POV in Misplaced Pages, or occasional telling-it-like-it-really-is on Talk pages, and a better encyclopaedia as a result?

:In conclusion, my position on niceness is made clear at ]. I have no plans to change that position. Ironically, it has been in place since well before the RFC/U, but nobody seemed to notice. Trying to silence an effective enemy must have seemed a much easier option to many than finding out the truth.

:Again, thanks Hasteur for your good faith proposal here. ] (]) 23:56, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

::I think the RfC/U was closed. It's hard to tell. It seems these things aren't publicised very well. Certainly nobody told me. Not sure what it all means. Nothing seems to have changed anywhere. Just a lot of nasty words written about me by people who don't like my approach to the damage they do to Misplaced Pages, while I was off making another few thousand positive contributions. Oh well, such is life. ] (]) 11:52, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

== Wayne LaPierre ==

I was probably a little dismissive in my response to your comment on the LaPierre article. Just wanted to thank you for your comment. It is constructive and helpful. ] (]) 05:54, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, HiLo48! Thanks for your welcome, but I've been editing here (mostly on the Reference and Help/Teahouse desks) for about 20 years, and have consciously chosen (so far) to do so without creating an Account, for reasons I won't bore you with. Since my IP (once static) is semi-dynamic, I pseudo-sign myself for continuity purposes "{The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195}" ] (]) 07:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
== Thanks for the welcome ==


== A kitten for you! ==
Hi there HiLo48 - thanks for the welcome. I do a lot of writing, research, editing in my day job, and I have background in a lot of topics spanning media, law, policy, internet and Asia etc. so in some ways I am interested in being a more active editor here. The next few months are pretty busy, though, so I will hold off volunteering just yet. Thanks for the reminder about using four tildes etc. I have got the hang of it now. ] (]) 08:34, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

:Cool. Articles like that one yesterday about Misplaced Pages can be a real problem. They attract all sorts of emotionally involved, single issue newcomers, often with no idea of how Misplaced Pages works, throwing abuse around and generally being unhelpful. It's great that at least one new positively inclined editor has emerged from the drama. My main suggestion to you now is to have a look around. Check out some other articles in your areas of interest. You're bound to find some mistakes that need fixing (I note you've already tackled a couple), and doing so will do a lot to improve your credibility here. Good luck and keep up the good work. ] (]) 20:19, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

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== Useful source for ] and footy people ==

is pretty good and might be worthwhile trying to integrate into the ] and] article.--] (]) 05:53, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

:Yes, the same article appeared in The Age yesterday, so I posted a link on ] yesterday, seeking comment. No responses yet. Might just go ahead and use some of it. ] (]) 07:31, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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== capital g ==

There are olympian or greek gods. But by using a capital g we make sure we are talking about one God, the creator, the supreme being.
I personally use capital g as a sign of respect. ] (]) 17:39, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

:Dunno why you brought this here. Your position appears to be one that is not worth discussing. Expressions like "''...one God, the creator, the supreme being''" tell me that you already have a very strong position on what the "''truth''" is. With you starting from such a narrow position, it's not worth discussing. ] (]) 20:38, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

::Maybe you are right. But I'm not Christian as you have assumed. In fact I'm not a follower of any religion. My beliefs are a subject to change following my observations of this world.
::What I wrote about capital G, is my opinion of why other editors use it this way. I use it this way only as a sign of respect, as I have said. It may just be that I'm the most reasonable and open-minded believer in God that you may find and as such open to any discussion without any 'holy-facts' or indisputable facts.
::I was grown as a full atheist in a family that noone followed any religion. I would mock religions (and I still do) and I would mock people who believe in God. However, during to my observations of how the events are taking place in my life and around me, I started to believe in God. ] (]) 10:59, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

== Pauline Hanson ==

HiLo, Surturz

As you will no doubt recall, I removed that exceedingly long (and confusing) section on the court cases regarding Abbott, Hanson, and One Nation and provided a much smaller summary. It seems both of you were in agreement that this was an improvement.
The contributor who originally provided the info some years ago, and never edited again until last week, nor contributed to our recent discussions, reinstated it within a few weeks and insisted on the talk page that it be there. The only change was to divide the slab of info into sections, and argue that it was not excessive as each of their sections was now about the same size as the others. *rolls eyes*

I was hoping that you both would step in a contribute to the discussion – while I reverted it once from memory, I don’t have the stomach for protracted rollback wars. However, I was kind of all on my little lonesome out there.

I still think it’s ridiculously convoluted and detailed to have all that info on those events in a biography. A summary (such that I provided - albeit arguably rushed and in need of a tidy up) is sufficient. There could be an argument for creating a separate article for all that info, however, either way, it does not belong in the biography.

Would be good to hear your thoughts, say, on the ] page. Cheers --] (]) 23:12, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'll have a bit of a look. Hanson seems to be one of those topics that brings out the worst in some editors. High levels of emotion around some of her major policy areas, I guess. ] (]) 23:27, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
::Indeed, but on this particular topic you, Surturz, and I came to substantial agreement. At least that's what I saw. Let's focus specifically on that for now. At this stage, all I'm recommending is that you support the reinstatement of the edit that I made to clear the article of the information slab - and then it can be further improved from there. Currently we have the status quo because no-one is responding to the SPA editor. cheers --] (]) 00:17, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== Polite request ==

Could you please not do anything like again? It really isn't helpful. Thanks a lot. --] (]) 17:53, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

:I consider it far more helpful than the constant bringing of internal political point-scoring to the articles of the political leaders of any country. That behaviour is ALWAYS unhelpful. It's almost always an attempt by people whose primary interest is in promoting the success of an opposing political party or leader to damage that leader's image and impose their POV on an article. Rational discussion of the subject matter simply doesn't work with such people, so a bit of fun and satire highlights what's really going on. People such as you have repeatedly ignored or failed to respond to good points made by people who disagree with you. At least I got your attention. Your edit summary said it was INTENTIONALLY disruptive. Is your POV pushing intentional too, or can't you help it? You titled this a Polite request. How about you being polite and responding to the sound arguments of others? ] (]) 22:42, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

::I'll now add that, despite John saying that my "proposal" wasn't helpful, something seems to have stopped all the crap and POV pushing at ]. Maybe his opponents are having a think. That would be good. Their opposition tactics have been appalling so far. And all governments need quality opposition. ] (]) 04:57, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

== Aussie rules as AFL ==

You asked in an edit summary at ] for a source for the use of AFL as an alternative name for Australian rules football. from the SMH mentions the phenomenon. ] (]) 12:15, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

:Good source, and weird. I've clarified the statement, and added that source to the article. That name just seems wrong to me, and confusing, as that SMH article says. Does anybody in NSW care about that? Or are most simply unaware that their usage wouldn't work in other places? Australia is an interesting country. On one front we have the ''soccer'' fans, particularly in NSW telling everyone in Australia we must all call their game ''football'', apparently in complete ignorance of the fact that that name cannot work in those states where Aussie Rules is VERY commonly called ''football'', then we have NSW telling us all that Aussie Rules is called ''AFL''. (Is it a secret push by the ''soccer'' fans?) We have less well informed Victorians totally confused about the difference between ''rugby union'' and ''rugby league'', and using the names ''rugby'' and ''league'' interchangably, which annoys the folks up north. And everywhere I've said NSW probably applies to QLD, but I'm not certain, and everywhere I've said Victoria, it probably also applies to TAS, SA, WA, NT and the Riverina, but I can't be sure. Do we end up with multiple articles with different language for the one country, or do we constantly explain that our leather ball sports have different names in different parts of the country? Do we need an article on that fact alone? (Or do we already have it?) ] (]) 21:27, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
::The usage seems pretty widespread in NSW and Qld in my experience. The odd thing is that the AFL are actually spreading the usage outside NSW/ACT. There is a nationwide grassroots participation program called Play AFL - targetted at getting kids playing Aussie rules. On the confusing naming of the various footballs, ] touches on the differences in terminology in the first section but could do with expansion and clarification. ] (]) 05:00, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

:::Aaarrghh. ] lives. Corporations have no respect for correct language, do they? Sadly, that section in ] has only one citation, and it's dead. (What has the federal Dept of Culture and Recreation turned into since 2008?) Anything we add should be properly sourced. You've given us one good starting point. Not sure what else is around. The stuff on ''soccer'' vs ''football'' is a real challenge. Almost everyone who writes about it is pushing an agenda. (Except me of course.) ] (]) 05:34, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

:: Following on to the points you make above and apropos of our discussions a couple of years ago, you may be interested to read this transcript: http://neososmos.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/researching-australian-soccer-history.html

::I make no comment and I hope that you will appreciate that I am only pointing you to it as I know you have an interest in this.

::You can respond here. I am watching here.

::Cheers ] (]) 07:03, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

:::Terrific article. Thanks for sharing it. It certainly highlights the confusion over the name. And I learnt something - that the ], an ''Aussie rules'' competition, got in the way of the name ''Association Football'' being used for ''soccer''. I grew up in ], an early home of ''soccer'' in country Victoria, mentioned in the article. In fact it was in ], a now non-existent town in the ]. (Click on the link to discover why.) Thousands of European immigrants made ''soccer'' a big sport. In fact Yallourn was the state champion club one year back in the 1950s. But the name couldn't be ''football''. That was already taken. That all that means that I know a fair bit about the game. I've coached girls teams at school, with some success. So, thanks for bringing back the memories. ] (]) 08:18, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

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Oops, sorry for - I was trying to revert the IP who keeps adding to your page but you beat me to it. I will warn them but in case they IP hop let me put a warning here for them: editors are entirely free to remove material from their own page except in very limited cases. This is not one of them. Please stop re-adding material that HiLo has removed; removal indicates at the very least that your edit has been noted and no repetition is necessary. ] ] 10:37, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
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:IP blocked for 3 hours. Longer blocks will happen if they start again. ] ] 10:40, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


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Additionally, I would like to point out that it would have been more productive for the editor to raise their concerns on the article's talk page rather than resorting to a full revert. This would have allowed for a more collaborative and constructive discussion about the content. Whoisjohngalt (talk) 13:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Whoisjohngalt The combined population of the USA, Canada and Mexico would be, at best, 8% of he world's population. And obviously entirely within one continent. That is NOT a global presence. HiLo48 (talk) 00:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

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Misleading information is every reason to remove something

The image you restored at Anti-Christian Sentiment is an atheist graffiti encouraging christians to deconvert. Criticizing a religion and encouraging people to leave it, especially if said religion isn't a protected minority, is free speech. To frame it as religious persecution is dishonest and misleading. 46.97.170.199 (talk) 11:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

That's a matter for discussion on the article's Talk Page, not here. HiLo48 (talk) 21:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
The article's talk page is dead. I addressed the issue there awhile ago, when I first removed the image. I received no replies except from IP vandals accusing me of "spreading woke agenda" or other such nonsense. 46.97.170.199 (talk) 11:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
That's still not a good reason to ask about this on someone's talk page, whatever state the talk page is in is irrelevant. Harryhenry1 (talk) 12:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

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