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| == Egypt and jordan == | |||
| == The photo of the Israeli "checkpoint" is odd == | |||
| It's hard to say it's a checkpoint it looks like a fence with a bunch of rocks and a couple of soldiers standing on the fence stopping the a few people from claiming over the fence. | |||
| I'd assume a checkpoint wouldn't require people claiming over the rocks at right side of the picture. | |||
| The photo should be labeled a "a breach in the security wall" or something similar. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:50, 12 January 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == West Bank barrier construction started when? == | |||
| The article states without a citation that "In 2000 the Israeli government started to construct the Israeli West Bank barrier, separating Israel and several of its settlements, as well as a significant number of Palestinians, from the remainder of the West Bank." If I understand correctly, the barrier's construction started not before 2002. ] (]) 15:41, 23 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == IP edits, whats wrong and whats right == | |||
| why Egypt and jordan controled and Israel occupies? | |||
| Ghajar is split in half by the Blue Line, with the UN marking the northern half as being in Lebanon and the southern half as being in Syria (see ]). Israel continued to occupy the southern half of the city. The residents, both north and south, say that it is a Syrian village, Lebanon and Syria dont seem to say much about it, and Israrl announced about a year ago it would withdraw from the southern half, though I cannot find any record in my brief search of them actually doing so. A good article to read about Ghajar and how the Blue Line came to divide the village is Kaufman, Asher (2009). "Let Sleeping Dogs Lie": On Ghajar and Other Anomalies in the Syria-Lebanon-Israel Tri-Border Region". Middle East Journal (Middle East Institute) 63 (4). The Shebaa Farms issue is just as complicated. Israel claims that the territory is Syrian and is thus not required to withdraw its forces from the territory as part of its ending its occupation of southern Lebanon. Syria and Lebanon say that the territory is Lebanese, though whether or not this is Syria's official position or if it is just an attempt to remove Israeli forces from the territory is a question that does not have an answer. Hezbollah uses the continued occupation of the Shebaa Farms as justification for continued action against Israel, as the say action against Israel is justified so long as Israel occupies any Lebanese territory. Where the Shebaa Farms actually is wont be decided until a comprehensive border treaty between Syria and Lebanon is signed.<p>So what should the article say? Thats a bit hard to figure out. I think the right way to put this is to spell it out. Say that Ghajar straddles the Blue Line between Lebanon and the Israeli-occupied Golan, and that the Shebaa Farms continues to be occupied by Israel which says it is part of the Syria's Golan while Syria and Lebanon say it part of Lebanon. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 15:49, 30 June 2011 (UTC)</small> | |||
| The Egyptian and Jordanian rule there were not recognized internationally and in the Egyptian case the territory was not even annexed. | |||
| It is npov ] (]) 06:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Grammatical errors in the first paragraph == | |||
| === 173.57.158.145's edits and Lebanon/Jordan === | |||
| (Due to an edit clash with Nableezy we had two sections appear on the same subject. I'm turning my section into a subsection of his. Hopefully comments can address both of our initial posts.)--] (]) 16:53, 30 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
| I reverted these edits because I think they produced quite a confused state of affairs including poor formatting. It will be better to thrash something out here and then introduce material on Lebanon. The latter only appears in the table and we need to explain Southern Lebanon's presence there both in the lede and in its own section. The two remaining Lebanese areas seem to arise from a history of confusion over the country's border with Syria and these need to be explained. The status of the two Jordanian areas need to be thrashed out here with reliable sourcing etc.--] (]) 15:53, 30 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :From the little I remembered about Ghajar and the Shebaa Farms, the issue is as complicated as Nableezy described it (thank you for taking time to write it down). Definitely it has its place in this article, not so sure about the lead. How common is it to count Ghajar and the Shebaa Farms among "the occupied territories"? My cursory impression is that commonly OP refers to West Bank, Gaza and Golan Heights, and that the sources mostly just omit the two smaller areas. --] (]) 18:11, 30 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
| "Prior to 1967, the Palestinian territories <u>was</u> '''''(-> were)''''' split between the ] ] ] and the ] (controlled) ] ], while the Sinai Peninsula and the Golan Heights <u>are</u> '''''(-> were)''''' parts of Egypt and ], respectively." | |||
| == 242 == | |||
| "The Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories and the Golan Heights, where <u>Israel had transferred its parts of population there and built large</u> '''''(sentence beyond repair, replacement suggestion: "- roughly 750,000 Israeli settlers live in a multitude of -")''''' ],'''''(sources: West Bank + East Jerusalem -> https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/02/02/jewish-settlers-west-bank-half-million/, Golan Heights -> https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20211226-israel-approves-plan-to-double-settler-population-in-golan-heights<nowiki/>)''''' is the ]." ] (]) 01:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Biosketch, even if one were to accept that UNSC Resolution 242 is what defines the ''Israeli-occupied territories'' (which I dont), that does not support removing the word ''the''. 242 calls for withdrawing from territories occupied, and while the lack of the use of the word ''the'' in the English version of that resolution is used as an argument that Israel need not withdraw from all territory occupied in 67, it is not an argument for claiming that the territory Israel captured in 67, all of it, is not occupied. Could you explain why you want to remove ''the''? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 17:34, 17 November 2011 (UTC)</small> | |||
| == Context of the 1967 War == | |||
| The article neglects to mention that the 1967 war was a defensive war on the part of the state of Israel, and it is, as a rule, unprecedented for the UN or its associated bodies to have any problem with territories a state seizes in a defensive war. ] (]) 01:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == The article is named incorrectly == | |||
| :No part of that is true. ''']''' - 01:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 November 2024 == | |||
| Please watch this explanation why the said territories are to be called disputed and not occupied http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGYxLWUKwWo <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:58, 12 January 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :Please read ] then ]. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia with a mandatory neutrality policy. It isn't Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The article uses the common name and informs readers that ''Israel prefers the term "disputed territories" in the case of the West Bank''. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']'''</small> 16:31, 12 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hmm I'm reading the the NPOV and it says Misplaced Pages should have neutral point of view. I think the term occupied is pretty much the opposite of neutral. Would you not agree that the term occupied suggests there is an occupation which is a seriously(international courts and such) disputed claim ? The name is a blunt example of bias. It's as if the article about Palestine would be named "The Terrorist State of Palestine" and then in body it would say they rather have the name Palestine. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:40, 12 January 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :::Yes, Misplaced Pages has a neutral point of view. If you think occupied is the opposite of neutral in this case you are misinformed and perhaps you should consider broadening your reading material. The Supreme Court of Israel has referred to the status of the West Bank as a territory held under belligerent occupation in many of their rulings. That's why it is administered by the IDF. The international community regards it as an occupation and has said so repeatedly. Misplaced Pages follows the reliable sources. Claims that we should say disputed rather than occupied are based on ignorance of how sources deal with this issue. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']'''</small> 03:04, 13 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Sean, there is no need to insult other editors. There is a natural tension between two meanings of the word ''neutral''. Linquistically, aruablly, the word ''disputed'' is more neutral and less loaded than ''occupied''. However that is not how Misplaced Pages understands the word ''neutral''. Misplaced Pages's understanding of ''neutral'' is to use the terms used by the majority of reliable sources. Clearly, the majority of reliable sources use the word ''occupied'', and thus this term, however biased, is consistent with Misplaced Pages's policies. - ] (]) 03:12, 13 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Apparently you haven't seen me insult other editors. It doesn't look like this but I'll bear it in mind if I decide to insult other editors. I gave the editor some feedback that should save them the trouble of wasting their time and other people's time discussing things because Danny Ayalon says something in a Youtube video. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - ''']'''</small> 04:19, 13 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I referred to your use of the word ''ignorance'', but I do not care that much. Cheers. - ] (]) 15:22, 14 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Well if it's a simple matter of tallying up the reliable sources I'm willing to spend some time to verify that indeed the majority refer to the territory as occupied. Before I do that, in order to avoid any unnecessary controversy, I'd like to know what is the Misplaced Pages definition of a reliable source ? ] (]) 10:46, 14 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::::] is the Misplaced Pages definition of a reliable sources. Please consider registering an account, as a gesture of courtesy, for the conversations with IP jumpers are extremely hard to follow. --<span style="font:8pt verdana; background-color:whitesmoke; border:1px solid gray"> ]<sup style="font-size:7pt">]</sup></span> 11:31, 14 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
| It is trivial for the parties on the ground to not treat this as an occupation. Simply hand out voter registration cards to the natives and invite the displaced populations back. Until then it is being treated as an occupation and we are correct to name it so. ] (]) 00:03, 13 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :Neither of those has any bearing on whether a territory is occupied or not, at least not according to international law. ] (]) 04:24, 13 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :They also have nothing to do with any WP guideline. --] (]) 20:24, 14 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
| {{edit extended-protected|Israeli-occupied territories|answered=yes}} | |||
| The na]cle should be "Ar]upied territo]st Bank is part of the Je]gally being occu]bs. | |||
| Link evidence for claim "A six month ceasefire was agreed in June 2008, but it was broken several times by both Israel and Hamas." in Gaza Strip section ] (]) 23:01, 7 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :{{not done}} This seems to be supported by the existing BBC source. ] (]) 20:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on December 10 2024 == | |||
| The na]cle should be "Ar]upied territo]st Bank is part of the Je]gally being occu]bs. | |||
| Request to change "No, but Israel has maintained control over the territory's border crossings, territorial waters, and air space since the end of the occupation in 2005" to "No, but Israel has maintained control over the territory's border crossings, territorial waters, and air space since its disengagement in 2005". This is in the wikitable in the overview section of the article. Using "disengagement" is the more accurate term due to the ICJ ruling (alongside with the RS consensus) that says that the Gaza Strip is still Israeli-occupied even since 2005 because Israel still has control over border crossings, water, and air space. ] (]) 19:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| The na]cle should be "Ar]upied territo]st Bank is part of the Je]gally being occu]bs. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 06:21, 15 January 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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Egypt and jordan
why Egypt and jordan controled and Israel occupies? The Egyptian and Jordanian rule there were not recognized internationally and in the Egyptian case the territory was not even annexed. It is npov 2.55.164.132 (talk) 06:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Grammatical errors in the first paragraph
"Prior to 1967, the Palestinian territories was (-> were) split between the Gaza Strip controlled by Egypt and the West Bank (controlled) by Jordan, while the Sinai Peninsula and the Golan Heights are (-> were) parts of Egypt and Syria, respectively."
"The Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories and the Golan Heights, where Israel had transferred its parts of population there and built large (sentence beyond repair, replacement suggestion: "- roughly 750,000 Israeli settlers live in a multitude of -") settlements,(sources: West Bank + East Jerusalem -> https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/02/02/jewish-settlers-west-bank-half-million/, Golan Heights -> https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20211226-israel-approves-plan-to-double-settler-population-in-golan-heights) is the longest military occupation in modern history." Wolfdale19 (talk) 01:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Context of the 1967 War
The article neglects to mention that the 1967 war was a defensive war on the part of the state of Israel, and it is, as a rule, unprecedented for the UN or its associated bodies to have any problem with territories a state seizes in a defensive war. Kandbsoalkan (talk) 01:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- No part of that is true. nableezy - 01:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
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Link evidence for claim "A six month ceasefire was agreed in June 2008, but it was broken several times by both Israel and Hamas." in Gaza Strip section SpockKirklovechild (talk) 23:01, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Not done This seems to be supported by the existing BBC source. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on December 10 2024
Request to change "No, but Israel has maintained control over the territory's border crossings, territorial waters, and air space since the end of the occupation in 2005" to "No, but Israel has maintained control over the territory's border crossings, territorial waters, and air space since its disengagement in 2005". This is in the wikitable in the overview section of the article. Using "disengagement" is the more accurate term due to the ICJ ruling (alongside with the RS consensus) that says that the Gaza Strip is still Israeli-occupied even since 2005 because Israel still has control over border crossings, water, and air space. Can I has Cheezburger? (talk) 19:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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