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== Suicide in the lead again ==

The issue of how to refer to Webb's death has come up yet again. The lead was changed to add the following sentence: On December 10, 2004, Webb was found dead in his apartment shoot twice in the head. His death was ruled a suicide.

Exactly this sort of change was the subject of a long discussion above. Webb's death was a suicide. The fact that he shot himself in the face twice is already referenced in the article two times: in the infobox, and in the article under the section on Webb's death. Some editors feel this is not enough, and that it should be mentioned a third time, as prominently as possible, preferably in the lead. This is undue weight, and I've reverted such changes more than once. If you disagree, please discuss your concerns here first, rather than just adding the same disputed content again. And again... ] (]) 22:54, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
"death was a suicide" and "was ruled a suicide" is a huge difference. Either it was proven a suicide, as in the lead, or it "was ruled a suicide" as written in the Death section. Which is it going to be? --Hoffmansk 16:39, 23 May 2018 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:What do you feel is the difference between these two? I am especially unclear what you mean by "proven a suicide." The lead does not use the phrase "proven", but it does take Webb's death to be a suicide. I do not see how this contradicts the description in the Death section. ] (]) 21:40, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
:The people who want to keep adding this "ruled a suicide" business to the lead are doing it in a calculated attempt to imply a murder. If it was ruled a suicide.....that's enough for the lead. The details of his death are given in the main body.] (]) 22:17, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


== Show the Artwork for the Dark Alliance Series ==
Ruled a suicide by a coroner, as if coroners are paragons of uncorruptible virtue. can't be threatened, don't have political proclivities.Webb was shot twice in the head, and the coroner said it's happened before.https://www.editorandpublisher.com/news/gary-webb-s-death-confirmed-as-suicide/. Two head taps is a signature of a professional hit, full stop period.There was another reporter who ran afoul of the CIA and died mysteriously while working on an expose of the CIA.. ]: "he drove a brand new Mercedes C250 coupe. The vehicle hit a tree at high speed, burst into flames and the engine was launched 100 feet down the street. One witness compared the sound coming from the blast to a bomb explosion. The impact shook nearby houses. Mercedez-Benz said their cars/software “couldn’t malfunction as such” and offered to make a complete “autopsy” of the car/computer."https://truthfeed.com/flashback-reporter-killed-in-freak-car-crash-while-working-on-cia-expose/55719/. So it was reported that his family thinks it was an accident,and that is definitive?


It was "controversial" and "removed" by the paper. That makes it noteworthy, and it should be included in this Article. His paper might have been censored, but Misplaced Pages is not, and the absence of this graphic is noticeable, particularly given the circumstances and rumors of his death.
The FBI denied having an investigation open on Michael Hastings, and that was subsequently proven to be a lie.


It was not censored or controversial because it was false, it was removed because it was TRUE. It should not also be absent from this Article, and for the same reason.
And we are to believe that the CIA, Think Tanks, Corporations, Political Parties,Foreign governments, Religious organizations, etc do not have personnel (paid or unpaid) monitoring social media outlets and public information sites such as WP posting and discrediting adverse information. Anyone interested in a bridge?] (]) 18:29, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
:This is not a place for your speculations. RS put his death as suicide and RS say multiple gunshot suicides are not uncommon. If you don't stop posting these attacks about the supposed motivations of other posters here.....you will be reported.] (]) 18:48, 10 September 2019 (UTC)


''"The website artwork showed the silhouette of a man smoking a crack pipe superimposed over the CIA seal."''
Could we change it to say, "committed suicide by shooting himself in the head twice"? ] (]) 23:34, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
:Webb's suicide is clearly described in the article. He raised the gun to the side of his head, pointing at his ear. The angle was such that the bullet went through his face and came out his cheek. This was a non-fatal wound. He shot himself again and the coroner found that the second shot hit an artery and he bled to death. The article should not give misleading descriptions of Webb's injuries. All this talk about "double-taps" and Webb being shot in the back of the head is false. ] (]) 02:55, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
::If it is necessary to clarify a consensus, I agree with Rgr09. Webb's suicide was unusual in the sense that most suicide's take only one shot, but the explanation for his death is definitive. There is no evidence that he was murdered or that there was a conspiracy to murder him, so we do float information to imply those things. -] (]) 14:53, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


] (]) 22:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
== Added more info on the lawsuits at the Plain Dealer ==


⚫ :Not sure if it is copyrighted or not....but if not, it may be worth including.] (]) 23:10, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Re-reading this article the other day (and Schou's book) it kind of misleads the reader that the first time Webb's work was questioned was the Dark Alliance series. This is inaccurate. Some of the same issues (with headlines and so forth) that came to the forefront in the Dark Alliance series had been raised before (with other articles). Ergo I included them here. Any issues......let me know.] (]) 22:47, 30 April 2020 (UTC)


==The CIA, Contras, Gangs, and Crack == == Complete Absence of Any "Lede" ==
{{further|Allegations of CIA drug trafficking|Gary Webb|CIA involvement in Contra cocaine trafficking}}


I may be wrong, but as a years-long and frequent User of Misplaced Pages, my understanding of the function of the Lede is to provide a brief overview of the entire Article, so as to "invite the Reader to continue reading the Article", and for the most part, most Articles follow this format and function, however this Article does not, for. some. reason. Noticing patterns, and the absence thereof, is a thing.
The CIA, Contras, Gangs, and Crack https://ips-dc.org/the_cia_contras_gangs_and_crack/
] scenes:


Webb supposedly committed suicide, by shooting himself in the head, twice. Twice.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZbXA4lyCtqptOtzdt_Y8aA9DCN6QbGFu
⚫ :What is your point in this? What changes do you propose?] (]) 19:36, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


You'd think that a Misplaced Pages Article that follows standard format and protocols would put that fact about his life (and death) prominently in the Lede, and yet for. some. reason. this Article does NOT. I wonder to what extent the CIA is involved in the editing of Misplaced Pages Articles, such as this one.] (]) 13:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
== Why ==


:If your issue is the fact we don't mention the double shot suicide in the LEAD....I don't see the problem. The LEAD rarely rehashes every detail in the article. We go into that later on within the article.] (]) 18:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
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Show the Artwork for the Dark Alliance Series

It was "controversial" and "removed" by the paper. That makes it noteworthy, and it should be included in this Article. His paper might have been censored, but Misplaced Pages is not, and the absence of this graphic is noticeable, particularly given the circumstances and rumors of his death.

It was not censored or controversial because it was false, it was removed because it was TRUE. It should not also be absent from this Article, and for the same reason.

"The website artwork showed the silhouette of a man smoking a crack pipe superimposed over the CIA seal."

2603:8081:3A00:414A:3C79:55E:B074:23B7 (talk) 22:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Not sure if it is copyrighted or not....but if not, it may be worth including.Rja13ww33 (talk) 23:10, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Complete Absence of Any "Lede"

I may be wrong, but as a years-long and frequent User of Misplaced Pages, my understanding of the function of the Lede is to provide a brief overview of the entire Article, so as to "invite the Reader to continue reading the Article", and for the most part, most Articles follow this format and function, however this Article does not, for. some. reason. Noticing patterns, and the absence thereof, is a thing.

Webb supposedly committed suicide, by shooting himself in the head, twice. Twice.

You'd think that a Misplaced Pages Article that follows standard format and protocols would put that fact about his life (and death) prominently in the Lede, and yet for. some. reason. this Article does NOT. I wonder to what extent the CIA is involved in the editing of Misplaced Pages Articles, such as this one.70.94.140.138 (talk) 13:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

If your issue is the fact we don't mention the double shot suicide in the LEAD....I don't see the problem. The LEAD rarely rehashes every detail in the article. We go into that later on within the article.Rja13ww33 (talk) 18:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
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