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			== Show the Artwork for the Dark Alliance Series ==
	The comments on the Kuro5hin article have many additional/related links. See , in particular - haven't gone through these though. --L

			It was "controversial" and "removed" by the paper. That makes it noteworthy, and it should be included in this Article. His paper might have been censored, but Misplaced Pages is not, and the absence of this graphic is noticeable, particularly given the circumstances and rumors of his death.
	==Comments by Andres Kargar==

			It was not censored or controversial because it was false, it was removed because it was TRUE. It should not also be absent from this Article, and for the same reason.
	Comments by Andres Kargar have been removed. Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox, chatroom, discussion forum, propaganda, advocacy of any kind, nor critical reviews, personal essays, primary research, or memorials. Please consult the edit history. Please read ]. Feel free to discuss improving this article on this page. --] \| ] 11:42, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
	:Comments in question are second from bottom in 'history', for the record. I have copied them to ] where they may help those writing that article. By the way, "What wikipedia is" is not exactly the same as what the Talk: pages are. ] 23:43, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
	::Actually, you're mistaken. See ]. ''On Misplaced Pages, the purpose of a talk page is to help to improve the contents of the main page, from an encyclopedic point of view. Questions, challenges, excised text (due to truly egregious confusion or bias, for example), arguments relevant to changing the text, and commentary on the main page are all fair play.Wikipedians generally oppose the use of talk pages just for the purpose of partisan talk about the main subject. Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox, it's an encyclopedia. In other words, talk about the article, not about the subject. It's only the habits we encourage that keep Misplaced Pages from turning into another H2G2 or Everything2.'' --] \| ] 00:47, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

			''"The website artwork showed the silhouette of a man smoking a crack pipe superimposed over the CIA seal."''
	== Missing references section ==

			] (]) 22:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
	The background for Dark Alliance is complicated and not easy to penetrate from a quick glance. Moreover, the picture changed drastically over time (in Webbs favor). The article should therefore have a good .

			:Not sure if it is copyrighted or not....but if not, it may be worth including.] (]) 23:10, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
	There still seems to be substantial confusion from the DoJ and CIA reports, which probably stems from the highly of the long documents (also see ). This should be mentioned in the references section, to avoid further confusion.

			== Complete Absence of Any "Lede" ==
	Also, the link collection (also mentioned above) is worth looking into further. --] \| ] 08:26, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

			I may be wrong, but as a years-long and frequent User of Misplaced Pages, my understanding of the function of the Lede is to provide a brief overview of the entire Article, so as to "invite the Reader to continue reading the Article", and for the most part, most Articles follow this format and function, however this Article does not, for. some. reason. Noticing patterns, and the absence thereof, is a thing.
	==Vinsci's lead vs. Viajero==
	===Vinsci===
	:'''Gary Webb''' (] – ], ]) was an ] investigative ] for 19 years, focusing on government and private sector corruption and winning more than 30 journalism awards. He was best known for his 1996 "Dark Alliance" newspaper article series (later published as a book under the same title) in which he explored the ]-] connection. His controversial and highly damaging revelations were disputed at the time and while later confirmed, the affair effectively ended his career as a journalist.

			Webb supposedly committed suicide, by shooting himself in the head, twice. Twice.
	===Viajero===
	:'''Gary Webb''' (] – ], ]) was an ] investigative ] best known for his 1996 "Dark Alliance" series for the '']'' in which he explored the ]-] connection (it was later published as a book under the same title). His controversial and highly damaging revelations were disputed at the time, and the affair effectively ended his career as a journalist.

			You'd think that a Misplaced Pages Article that follows standard format and protocols would put that fact about his life (and death) prominently in the Lede, and yet for. some. reason. this Article does NOT. I wonder to what extent the CIA is involved in the editing of Misplaced Pages Articles, such as this one.] (]) 13:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
	See also: ]

			:If your issue is the fact we don't mention the double shot suicide in the LEAD....I don't see the problem. The LEAD rarely rehashes every detail in the article. We go into that later on within the article.] (]) 18:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)


	:Viajero's version lacks the ring of truth that should be expected in an open source capsule. The facts referenced by Vinsci were later verified nearly point by point in the evidence uncovered by commission reports, which actually revealed that the scope of the CIA's operation was much larger than the shard Webb reported on. The commission reports went out of their way to downplay their own findings. The fact that Webb was actually vindicated received little press coverage, especially when compared to the unbridled backlash against Webb that also happened to prompt the Mercury News to disown him. Most mainstream press reports after Webb's death continued in this vein, as has Viajero. ] 06:54, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

	::I am quite aware that Webb has been largely vindicated. Please note operative phrase '''at the time'''. I am sure it isn't necessary to spell this out for you, but it implies that people ''think differently now'', that is to say, the revelations are now longer rejected out of hand. I think it is safe to assume our readers have the cognitive abilities to parse this statement correctly and reach this conclusion on their own. -- ] 08:46, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
	:::Excellent point. --] \| ] 10:34, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

	== Bibliography ==

	===Archives of articles by Gary Webb===
	*Sacramento News & Report
	*BBC News
	:Shortly before his death, Webb was asked by the BBC to comment on the U.S. presidential election 2004 on a 'U.S. voters panel'. This was a series of short commentaries.
	:*BBC Election Coverage (see voter's view section)
	:**Webb on
	:**Webb on
	:**Webb on
	:**Webb on

	More to come... --] 12:52, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Show the Artwork for the Dark Alliance Series

It was "controversial" and "removed" by the paper. That makes it noteworthy, and it should be included in this Article. His paper might have been censored, but Misplaced Pages is not, and the absence of this graphic is noticeable, particularly given the circumstances and rumors of his death.

It was not censored or controversial because it was false, it was removed because it was TRUE. It should not also be absent from this Article, and for the same reason.

"The website artwork showed the silhouette of a man smoking a crack pipe superimposed over the CIA seal."

2603:8081:3A00:414A:3C79:55E:B074:23B7 (talk) 22:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Not sure if it is copyrighted or not....but if not, it may be worth including.Rja13ww33 (talk) 23:10, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Complete Absence of Any "Lede"

I may be wrong, but as a years-long and frequent User of Misplaced Pages, my understanding of the function of the Lede is to provide a brief overview of the entire Article, so as to "invite the Reader to continue reading the Article", and for the most part, most Articles follow this format and function, however this Article does not, for. some. reason. Noticing patterns, and the absence thereof, is a thing.

Webb supposedly committed suicide, by shooting himself in the head, twice. Twice.

You'd think that a Misplaced Pages Article that follows standard format and protocols would put that fact about his life (and death) prominently in the Lede, and yet for. some. reason. this Article does NOT. I wonder to what extent the CIA is involved in the editing of Misplaced Pages Articles, such as this one.70.94.140.138 (talk) 13:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

If your issue is the fact we don't mention the double shot suicide in the LEAD....I don't see the problem. The LEAD rarely rehashes every detail in the article. We go into that later on within the article.Rja13ww33 (talk) 18:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

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