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| == Article improvement == | == Article improvement == | ||
| I feel, one of the key article of this wikiproject, ] needs a good revision and copy edit. I would love to help in the process as much as viable. Being a civil engineering student I am unknown of some key terms. In addition, i see the need of forming a new article ] much famous in South asian countries including ] and ] to flourish the information regarding the subject and make the area of study open to fellow readers.] (]) | I feel, one of the key article of this wikiproject, ] needs a good revision and copy edit. I would love to help in the process as much as viable. Being a civil engineering student I am unknown of some key terms. In addition, i see the need of forming a new article ] much famous in South asian countries including ] and ] to flourish the information regarding the subject and make the area of study open to fellow readers.] (]) | ||
| == EV battery suppliers added to WikiProject? == | |||
| == Automotive industry in China == | |||
| Been doing work to clean up and properly source ], but would very much appreciate other sets of eyes on it as some of the stats/figures might be fabricated as they either lack ]es or even sources altogether. - ] (]) 05:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Ferrari Monza SP == | |||
| Checking the sources, it appears that the article is made of sources put together from three different press releases, besides one about a concierge service - one about its introduction, winning a design award (one is ]) and one about the last model built. | |||
| Like articles about their one-offs, I cannot see there is anying to justify a standalone article, thus I recommend a merger to ]. ] (]) 19:09, 27 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :'''week oppose''' they are too distinct to not have standalone article. SP3 has it also. ] (]) 22:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::The same could be said for Ferrari's Special Project cars such as the SP3JC, which has so much in common with the Monza SP. An argument against it will be; the only thing separating it will be the body. As mentioned in my now archived argument against the McLaren F1 LM, does that and the Monza SP have the significantly high press coverages that the Porsche 911 Carrera RS 2.7 has? I would've been supportive of a separate article about the Monza SP if it has the coverages it has with their mainstream models. ] (]) 09:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::I don't have the strongest opinions on article mergers/separations for related vehicles, but it is worth noting that the SP1, SP2 and SP3 are part of Ferrari's Icona series and are series produced models, not one or two offs like the rest of Ferrari's Special Project cars. Also, keep in mind that since I wrote most of that article when the car had just came out, there are more sources that have came out since then that I haven't gotten around to putting in the article. For instance, there's now a full Top Gear review, a review in EVO, and a Car Magazine ride along at Goodwood. ] (]) 18:41, 28 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == More great news == | |||
| Hello contributor to the WP Automobiles project, great news! As we know, the ] article has been promoted to ], identifying it as one of the best articles produced by the WP community (only 0.09% of WP articles are featured articles). Even better news has been put upon us, as now the article ]! Pinging {{ping|Mr.choppers}} as it will be his high-quality image that we will be using. ]] 04:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| I just created a draft for electric vehicle startup ]. Any help would be appreciated. ] (]) 03:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't particular feel like creating the content but if you create the content then I will tidy-up the formatting, etc. I've already tidied-up what little is there. Remember that you are writing for an international audience and that not all readers will know US customs and that what is true in the US is not necessarily true outside the US. <span style="border:1px solid blue;border-radius:4px;color:blue;box-shadow: 3px 3px 4px grey;">] <span style="font-size:xx-small; vertical-align:top">] </span></span> 04:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == TDI (engine) == | |||
| Hello. There's some kind of unusual activity on ]. I'm not sure if the edits are constructive or not. Could someone take a look? ] (]) 11:02, 19 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Reverted all; all of the edits were suspicious and unsourced. ]] 11:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | == Requested move at ] == | ||
| ⚫ | ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. |
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| == ] of ] == | |||
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| The article ] has been ] because of the following concern: | |||
| <blockquote>'''This page is linked by one article, ], it summarizes this article well. sometimes you need another device to connect the lights on the trailer to a car. I am not sure that there is much more that is encyclopedic to say about it'''</blockquote> | |||
| While all constructive contributions to Misplaced Pages are appreciated, pages may be ]. | |||
| You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your ] or on ]. | |||
| Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the ], but other ]es exist. In particular, the ] process can result in deletion without discussion, and ] allows discussion to reach ] for deletion.<!-- Template:Proposed deletion notify --> ] (]) 18:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :That article says nothing of substance and has no references. Change it to be a redirect to ]. <span style="border:1px solid blue;border-radius:4px;color:blue;box-shadow: 3px 3px 4px grey;">] <span style="font-size:xx-small; vertical-align:top">] </span></span> 00:37, 29 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::{{done}} by ]. <span style="border:1px solid blue;border-radius:4px;color:blue;box-shadow: 3px 3px 4px grey;">] <span style="font-size:xx-small; vertical-align:top">] </span></span> 00:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Japan Mobility Show (former Tokyo Motor Show) needs rewrite == | |||
| ] has changed format from biannual to something more complicated described in official press release. Article could do with an update/rewrite to accurately describe what the new format of the show, as it's a pretty significant change. ] (]) 23:26, 2 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Press release says that it now runs every year, with alternating years focusing on business links or customer links. <span style="border:1px solid blue;border-radius:4px;color:blue;box-shadow: 3px 3px 4px grey;">] <span style="font-size:xx-small; vertical-align:top">] </span></span> 00:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Idea == | |||
| Automotive suppliers such as ] and ] are part of the Automotive WikiProject, despite not producing cars themselves. Should battery companies like ], which are most prominent for their supply of automotive battery cells and technologies, also be added to this WikiProject? Additionally, should companies like ], ], and ], who are not primarily based in EV battery supply but are still major players in the space, also be added to the WikiProject? ] (]) 18:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| I was thinking of creating a list of what we'd consider "reliable" and "unreliable" sources on the WP Automobiles project. Pinging such editors as {{ping|Andra Febrian|Mr.choppers|Stepho-wrs}} to see their opinions on this. ]] 04:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
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:In my opinion they should be added, does anyone have any objections? ] (]) 18:41, 26 November 2024 (UTC) | ||
| ::Seems to be a no-brainer with no downside. ] (]) 16:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::I feel like ], ], and ] would be top-tier reliable, while Carsales and Autoblog might be on the concerning-spec, and blogspot and Best Selling Cars Blog would be unreliable. ]] 16:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::I think ] is largely sufficient, to be honest. If anything, I'd like to add a note regarding those spec compilation sites (, , and - in order of reliability IMHO) can be trusted for basic specifications but are considered to be of less weight than reliable, secondary sources. Same thing for manufacturers' publications - fine to verify specs, dates, etcetera, but not for anything contentious or any value statements. <span style="background:#ff0000;font-family:Times New Roman;">]]</span> 18:44, 11 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | == Requested move at ] == | ||
| ::::Same, let's just follow ]. Most of the the well-known car magazines are very reliable sources. The compilation sites I don't trust much - some of them have merely scraped data/images from my own site and I'm reasonably sure they do no fact checking of their own. Non-car magazines (eg New York Times) are fine for very basic facts but are usually not written by or for car enthusiasts - more like telling rich readers which car makes this year's best image statement. Manufacturers are also fine for basic facts (eg wheelbase, engine size, release dates but not power, emission or fuel economy figures) - as always, if there is a buck to made for "enhancing" the truth then it will be stretched within an inch of its life. | |||
| ⚫ | ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 22:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC) | ||
| ::::I'm not seeing a ''big'' problem with choosing reliable sources. Is this a major issue that you are seeing? <span style="border:1px solid blue;border-radius:4px;color:blue;box-shadow: 3px 3px 4px grey;">] <span style="font-size:xx-small; vertical-align:top">] </span></span> 00:11, 12 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Good article reassessment for ] == | |||
| :::::I'm gonna go against the grain here and say I actually think this is a decent idea since i've found many larger general sources which are considered reliable by WP:RS such as the NYT to be less reliable and substantially less detailed than smaller and less established enthusiast run news sites and blogs, and certainly less reliable than established enthusiast sites and magazines. There are also a handful of semi well established car news sites which seem to have suspect reliability but are cited in many articles. Off the top of my head, HotCars comes to mind, as its basically a quantity over quality content farm. ] (]) 20:42, 14 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 03:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :I disagree. This discussion so far has been about magazines and newspapers which are not exactly scientific studies, they're chat at the end of the day and often based on or consisting of paid material even if the final text is written by the publication. A decidedly reliable source can repeat the same press release as a decidedly unreliable source, doesn't change anything about the quality of the information. Unreliable claims should be made on case basis, and if a source can be found that is questionable without a reliable one being found by the editor, than the substance of the article should be considered more than putting a list together somewhere else. ] (]) 22:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Two articles with the same scope == | |||
| == Engine Charts == | |||
| Just wondering, why do we have two articles about the list of automobile manufacturers in China: ] and ]? Should we merge it? Pinging {{ping|Infinty 0}} as the creator of the latter article. | |||
| Hello! Remodeled The Engine Charts for the ] To make it slightly more compact and a bit easier to read. Please give your opinion on this: ] ] (]) 17:31, 14 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| A little bit context by the way, ] is apparently a spin-off of ] after these sections were due to " citation and improper synthesis", can't see why it should be an own article if it was apparently not proper enough to be in an article. ] (]) 16:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| =={{noredirect|Pilot (automobile)}}== | |||
| {{la|Pilot (automobile)}} contains 3 different unrelated topics. That's a problem, since it is not a topic article, but a grabbag of independent topics that share a name. There are also other automobiles not in this article called Pilot listed at ]. | |||
| -- ] (]) 07:13, 15 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| {{discussion-moved|Talk:Pilot (automobile)}} ] (]) 07:13, 15 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
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:I think one can be deleted or merged. ]] 17:52, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | ||
| :Agree, merge. ] (]) 18:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Oppose. | |||
| :The article of ] is more about the development of China's automobile industry at the macro perspective, focusing more on China's industry policies, development status and history in chronological order. | |||
| :The article of ] is more about the current situation of Chinese manufacturers at more micro perspective. China is different from most countries in the world which has the world's largest automobile industry and market (larger than the United States and Europe combined), and more than 10 major manufacturers and more than 140 automobile brands as numerous as the stars, which deserves the spotlight. The two articles have different perspectives, themes, and logic, so the spin-off is necessary. | |||
| :As for the problem of citations, it has been updated in the ]. It is welcome for anyone who disagrees to challenge it at the specific description. | |||
| :The article of ] is even more different. It is a list-type article, which is more about listing the facts as briefly and completely as possible. There should be an article to depict a more detailed and focused portrait of Chinese automobile manufacturers, like the general introductions, their positions in the landscape of automobile market, and conclusion of their different characteristics, which is exactly the purpose of the article of ]. ] (]) 00:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::If each of the manufacturers and/or brands are notable, they should have their own articles. ] (]) 13:17, 20 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::Not each, but major ones. There are 12 major manufacturers in China, each with an annual production of more than 500,000 units, and four of them are above 2 million unit per year, and they do need a overview information to help readers understand the current layout and landscape of Chinese auto market. ] (]) 13:56, 20 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | ::::'''Merge''', no real difference in scope. <span style="background:#ff0000;font-family:Times New Roman;">]]</span> 16:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC) | ||
| == Good article reassessment for ] == | |||
| == Before I start a massive RM == | |||
| ] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 22:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| I've been wondering for ages why articles about EVs in regions are all called "plug-in electric vehicle in X", for instance ]. I don't think that's the ] (anymore?), and people almost uniformly refer to these cars as EVs now. Before I open a RM with , I thought I would ask here. ] (]) 20:08, 19 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ==Datsun 510== | |||
| :You may want to consider that an EV is technically any vehicle that is driven purely by electric motors and that the electricity may come from different sources. Sources may include purely batteries (PEV or battery EV), fuel cells (FCEV), a petrol engine (series hybrid or electric drivetrain), solar power and others. Add in petrol powered range extender options that can charge batteries but not fast enough to power the vehicle in motion. <span style="border:1px solid blue;border-radius:4px;color:blue;box-shadow: 3px 3px 4px grey;">] <span style="font-size:xx-small; vertical-align:top">] </span></span> 00:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| I nominated this ], on the clear grounds that the title doesn't meet the guidelines for cars sold internationally under a wide range of names. Calling it Datsun 510 is americentric and also leads to confusion since the "510" name was also used on the Violet/Stanza (A10) in North America. ] should be a disambiguation page like ] and ]. Please review ] and weigh in ]. Best, <span style="background:#ff0000;font-family:Times New Roman;">]]</span> 16:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Article improvement
I feel, one of the key article of this wikiproject, Automotive engineering needs a good revision and copy edit. I would love to help in the process as much as viable. Being a civil engineering student I am unknown of some key terms. In addition, i see the need of forming a new article Automobile engineering much famous in South asian countries including Nepal and India to flourish the information regarding the subject and make the area of study open to fellow readers.Franked2004 (talk)
EV battery suppliers added to WikiProject?
Automotive suppliers such as Denso and Bosch are part of the Automotive WikiProject, despite not producing cars themselves. Should battery companies like CATL, which are most prominent for their supply of automotive battery cells and technologies, also be added to this WikiProject? Additionally, should companies like Panasonic, Samsung SDI, and EVE Energy, who are not primarily based in EV battery supply but are still major players in the space, also be added to the WikiProject? Needlesballoon (talk) 18:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- In my opinion they should be added, does anyone have any objections? Needlesballoon (talk) 18:41, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Seems to be a no-brainer with no downside. Andra Febrian (talk) 16:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Trim level (automotive)#Requested move 28 November 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Trim level (automotive)#Requested move 28 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 22:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for American automobile industry in the 1950s
American automobile industry in the 1950s has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 03:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Two articles with the same scope
Just wondering, why do we have two articles about the list of automobile manufacturers in China: List of automobile manufacturers of China and Automobile manufacturers and brands of China? Should we merge it? Pinging @Infinty 0: as the creator of the latter article.
A little bit context by the way, Automobile manufacturers and brands of China is apparently a spin-off of Automotive industry in China after these sections were purged due to " citation and improper synthesis", can't see why it should be an own article if it was apparently not proper enough to be in an article. Andra Febrian (talk) 16:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think one can be deleted or merged. 750h+ 17:52, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Agree, merge. Rally Wonk (talk) 18:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose.
- The article of Automotive industry in China is more about the development of China's automobile industry at the macro perspective, focusing more on China's industry policies, development status and history in chronological order.
- The article of Automobile manufacturers and brands of China is more about the current situation of Chinese manufacturers at more micro perspective. China is different from most countries in the world which has the world's largest automobile industry and market (larger than the United States and Europe combined), and more than 10 major manufacturers and more than 140 automobile brands as numerous as the stars, which deserves the spotlight. The two articles have different perspectives, themes, and logic, so the spin-off is necessary.
- As for the problem of citations, it has been updated in the Automobile manufacturers and brands of China. It is welcome for anyone who disagrees to challenge it at the specific description.
- The article of List of automobile manufacturers of China is even more different. It is a list-type article, which is more about listing the facts as briefly and completely as possible. There should be an article to depict a more detailed and focused portrait of Chinese automobile manufacturers, like the general introductions, their positions in the landscape of automobile market, and conclusion of their different characteristics, which is exactly the purpose of the article of Automobile manufacturers and brands of China. Infinty 0 (talk) 00:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- If each of the manufacturers and/or brands are notable, they should have their own articles. Rally Wonk (talk) 13:17, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not each, but major ones. There are 12 major manufacturers in China, each with an annual production of more than 500,000 units, and four of them are above 2 million unit per year, and they do need a overview information to help readers understand the current layout and landscape of Chinese auto market. Infinty 0 (talk) 13:56, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, no real difference in scope. Mr.choppers | ✎ 16:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not each, but major ones. There are 12 major manufacturers in China, each with an annual production of more than 500,000 units, and four of them are above 2 million unit per year, and they do need a overview information to help readers understand the current layout and landscape of Chinese auto market. Infinty 0 (talk) 13:56, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- If each of the manufacturers and/or brands are notable, they should have their own articles. Rally Wonk (talk) 13:17, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Electric vehicle warning sounds
Electric vehicle warning sounds has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 22:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Datsun 510
I nominated this for a move, on the clear grounds that the title doesn't meet the guidelines for cars sold internationally under a wide range of names. Calling it Datsun 510 is americentric and also leads to confusion since the "510" name was also used on the Violet/Stanza (A10) in North America. Datsun 510 should be a disambiguation page like Datsun 810 and Datsun 210. Please review WP:CARNAMES and weigh in here. Best, Mr.choppers | ✎ 16:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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