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== Henri Matisse's works entering the Public Domain on 1 January 2025 == |
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== Barnes Foundation paintings moved == |
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Hi, is anyone planning to start adding images of Matisse's works to the article in January? A lot of previously deleted images will be restored on Commons; @] will most likely take care of that. ] (]) 10:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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The article shows at least two paintings attributed to the ] of Merion PA. The Barnes Foundation now houses the paintings permanently in Philadelphia, not Merion, since the Merion gallery closed. I saw ] and ] there today. Should the city identification go with the painting or the city of the Foundation's headquarters?] (]) 18:23, 26 August 2012 (UTC) |
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:Yes, good catch...] (]) 18:27, 26 August 2012 (UTC) |
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:The article currently has images of at least 63 of his works. How many more are needed? And where would they go? Thanks. ] (]) 11:01, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Parent's Occupation Incorrect? == |
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::The images that are currently displayed are hosted within English Misplaced Pages under fair use. Going forward, these will all need to be moved to Commons. Is someone taking care of this? ] (]) 11:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::When moving images to Commons, on Commons they are newly uploaded. Please make sure they are all added this category: ]. Thanks! I will then make sure they get listed together with restored images on the 2025 Public Domain Day page of ]. ] (]) 11:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I'm seeing more than one source online saying that Matisse's parents were in the "grain" or "corn" business. There is no source on wiki for them owning a flower business, is it actually correct? |
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http://www.biography.com/people/henri-matisse-9402564 |
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I removed a phrase from the "early life" section pending review. |
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Phrase removed: |
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, where his parents owned a flower business; he was their first son. |
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] (]) 16:41, 1 March 2012 (UTC) |
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This article really needs to be expanded. How do you flag it as a stub? ] 20:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC) |
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You're right about the inadequacy of this article given the importance of its subject, but it doesn't qualify for a stub tag. Rule of thumb for a stub is an article 3-10 sentences long--for more info on this see ]. To answer you question: You can always tag a stub by typing the word stub between doubled curly brackets. ] 04:18, 10 September 2006 (UTC) |
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The part that lists Matisse's influences strikes me as grossly inaccurate. Not the people, but the movements they're said to belong to. Poussin and Watteau had nothing to do with Post-Impressionism, or even Impressionism. Manet crossed the bridge into Impressionism but that's still a huge stretch... <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:11, 24 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==2== |
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"in the Musée Franciscain-Eglise et Monastère de Cimiez, in the Cimiez neighbourhood of Nice, Alpes-Maritimes in the Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur Region of France." |
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What's that inflation ! |
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I can also tel you it's near the arena if you come by the highway, leave the highway at "Nice-Nord" you drive to the Hôpital Pasteur you should turn on the right to take the "Avenue de la Voie Romaine" etc.... |
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God I was blind ! Matisse is not buried in the "in the Musée Franciscain-Eglise et Monastère de Cimiez" but in the cemetery near the "Monastère de Cimiez" like most people do. |
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By the way Cimiez is '''in''' Nice not near Nice. |
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==Matisse in Maroc== |
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There is nothing here about the extremely influential time that the artist spent in Tanger. I do not feel confident enough in my artistic background to cover it, but I know that the time he spent there significantly influenced his use of light in paintings. |
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] 14:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC) |
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==pre-1923 artwork== |
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Can't we add all of his pre 1923/2 artwork, because it is in the public domain, to Wikimedia Commons and to all the relevant articles? --] 03:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC) |
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:Unfortunately, his paintings are only public domain in the U.S. if they were *published* before 1923. Exhibiting a painting doesn't count as publishing it, so it's not a foregone conclusion that his paintings were published close to the time they were made. <font face="Trebuchet MS, Trebuchet"><i><b>]]</b></i></font> 20:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC) |
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== goldfish == |
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that is my favorite painting by Henri Matisse |
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Melissa D. |
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== Influenced by Matisse == |
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The following line seems better left out: |
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:He is also the great influence of the last living student of ], ]. |
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Matisse was a huge influence on a lot of 20th century artists; Mouly is not an especially notable one compared to say De Kooning, Appel, Diebenkorn, Joan Brown, Purrmann, Carles, Bearden, Avery, Motherwell, or many others. The claim "last living student" can't be proven; did Picasso have formal students? Paloma Picasso is a designer and probably got pointers from her dad...] 02:46, 25 April 2007 (UTC) |
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:In 2004 ] came in at No.5 of a poll of 500 art experts voting for the most influential modern art work of all time. |
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:Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4059997.stm |
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:Might be worth mentioning in the article... --] 10:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC) |
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== Picture Pages == |
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I'm not going to add another line to the "partial list of works" as I think most of these stubs are quite useless ] as they are. (except for the ones with images of course). However if someone would like to add '']'' (1958) – which won quite some notoriety in 1961 when it hung upside down at ] for several days until someone noticed – here's two useful weblinks about that story: |
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*http://www.rightreading.com/daybook_pages/october-2.htm#18 |
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*http://www.theapesheet.com/archivefive/newart2.html |
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--] 10:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC) |
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== just tagged a bunch of matisse art as possibly unfree == |
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go to ] to check it out. ] 18:15, 2 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Armory Show 1913 == |
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The Armory Show of 1913 which marked a milestone in modern art was held in New York City, I believe, not in Chicago as stated in the text. |
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Jim S.] (]) 17:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:It started in NY, then toured 3 cities, including Chicago. ''''']''''' 18:29, 10 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== Avril lavigne thing == |
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how do you get rid of it? ] (]) 15:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== Use of his name in other contexts == |
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I happened to be idly flicking through the '']'' (yes, I know) in a pub earlier today and read by the ]-esque ] fulminating over why ] "agreed to be photographed in pigtails, long white schoolgirl socks and with a pink teddy parked up her Henri Matisse". In explanation, a picture of the cover is visible at that other quality periodical, '']''. I'd never encountered this usage before; has anyone else? ] (]) 15:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Link addition == |
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*<s> <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 09:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--></s> |
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:It's not the . ''''']''''' 09:46, 22 October 2008 (UTC) |
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* - Yes, it is not the official site, but I found it useful (much more useful than official one) for myself and wanted to share. Keep your bureaucracy away from here please. ] (]) 04:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::I am simply making an observation of fact. We can proceed from that. The initial post could have been misread. ''''']''''' 05:18, 24 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Also, why do you say I am a spammer? I do not make any money from my edits, I do it just for fun. This says my edits are OK: they http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:External_links#What_should_be_linked ] (]) |
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::::Spamming is the term used on wikipedia when the only or main interest of the edits is to add a specific external link, which in your case is arthermitage.org. Whether this is for profit or "fun", it is not in the interests of the project, and you should desist. You presumably have some connection with this web site, and should leave it to non-involved editors to make the decision for its inclusion or otherwise. There does not appear to be any support for including it. ''''']''''' 16:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== Christie's Auction == |
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Shouldn't there be some mention made of the Yves Saint Laurent auction? Matisse's painting "Les coucous, tapis bleu et rose" was the highest selling item there. It sold for over $45,000,000. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Vandalism?== |
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Is "Dumb Kid" supposed to be the title to the image? ] (]) 16:56, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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:It's been {{diff2|415891187|fixed}}. Thanks. ] <font color="blue">•</font> ] 18:50, 25 February 2011 (UTC) |
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== Emphasis == |
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The sentence, " Where Renoir, Cézanne, Matisse, and Picasso's works dominated Leo and Gertrude Stein's collection, Sarah Stein's collection emphasized Matisse." seemed to lack point, insofar as it is saying, essentially, that Matisse, among others, dominated the Stein collection and dominated, as well, Sarah Stein's collection. What's the difference between "dominated" and "emphasized?" Hence I added "particularly" to the line. |
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== Beyond Painting == |
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More needs to be said about Matisse's work outside of painting, especially sculpture and cut-paper. Yes, he's primarily known as a painter, but he worked and experimented a lot with modernist trends in sculpture, and he produced numerous cut-paper works in the last years of his life. ] (]) 17:40, 18 September 2014 (UTC) |
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== The Cut-Outs == |
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'''Art Since 1945: Bibliography''' |
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Cotter, Holland. "Wisps From an Old Man’s Dreams ‘Henri Matisse: The Cut-Outs,’ a Victory Lap at MoMA." New York Times. New York Times, 9 Oct. 2014. Web. 14 Feb. 2015. |
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Schjeldahl, Peter. "." The New Yorker. October 20, 2014. |
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:Another review of the recent MoMA exhibition, which may provide a contrasting view to Cotter's. ] (]) 17:37, 23 February 2015 (UTC) |
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Elderfield, John, and Henri Matisse. The Cut-Outs of Henri Matisse. First ed. New York: George Braziller, 1978. Print. |
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Matisse, Henri, Henri Matisse, Karl D. Buchberg, Nicholas Cullinan, Jodi Hauptman, and Nicholas Serota. Henri Matisse: The Cut-outs. New York: Museum of Modern Art, 2014. Print. |
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I added the section "The cut-outs" and, following the outline in my sandbox, started filling in the introduction (influence, process, origin). I will work on adding information about the key works and the recent exhibitions at Tate and MoMA. I am still not sure where to place the cut-out section in the article/what would make the most sense. Currently, it is between "The war years" and "Last years," but the the overlap makes the reading a little confusing. I am thinking I might want to delete a section (or both), and rework the information into mine, creating one cohesive section? Or just edit the sections for any repetition/rename the headings to clarify. ] (]) 20:44, 27 February 2015 (UTC) |
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:So far the section looks good; in my opinion the cut outs coincide with the last years and the Matisse Chapel, and the museum. I am changing the headings, hopefully these will work...] (]) 01:38, 28 February 2015 (UTC) |
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Cheers. —]<small><sub style="margin-left:-14.9ex;color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS">]:Online</sub></small> 16:27, 28 August 2015 (UTC) |
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==Assessment comment== |
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{{Substituted comment|length=745|lastedit=20090322014902|comment=Matisse did not live in Cimiez from 1917-1954. He moved around the south of France and lived in many places, notably Vence, St Tropez and in Nice itself. He only moved to Cimiez in 1950. |
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] 16:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Also, much of the information is taken verbatim from http://www.henri-matisse.net/biography.html without quotes around it. This is plagiarism, so I would recommend that these discrepancies be sorted out. <small><span class{{nw=}}"autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 01:47, 22 March 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->}} |
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== Lead section == |
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The lead section could be improved, but I don't think that what is wrong with it is that it doesn't mention Marcel Duchamp. As far as I know—and our article does not suggest otherwise—Matisse had little or no personal relationship with Duchamp. According to ], "Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article." Duchamp's importance (apparent mainly in the decades ''after'' Matisse'e death) is not a basic fact about Matisse; it's a fact about art history, and about Duchamp. |
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The source cited for Duchamp's inclusion here is a survey of British art professionals whose top five list puts Matisse behind Duchamp, Picasso, and Warhol. Surely Warhol doesn't need to be mentioned in the lead too? We have seen elsewhere that this kind of ranking in a lead section is contentious. It seems better to relegate it to the Legacy section where the context can be described. |
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Matisse and Picasso were self-conscious rivals as noted in the article, and this deserves mention in a well-developed lead. Our third sentence—"Matisse is commonly regarded, along with Pablo Picasso, as one of the artists who best helped to define the revolutionary developments in the visual arts throughout the opening decades of the twentieth century, responsible for significant developments in painting and sculpture"—is accurate and sourced. The careful wording does not seem to me to imply that these two stood entirely alone in defining revolutionary developments in the visual arts. If there's any disagreement on this point, let's rephrase to make it unambiguous—or separate Picasso from this sentence, and mention him elsewhere. ] (]) 04:48, 4 June 2017 (UTC) |
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:Marcel Duchamp should not be mentioned in the lead because he was a very different sort of artist. We are not trying to confuse the reader and we are not trying to write nonsense. Marcel Duchamp opposed "retinal" art. That is a valid or at least well-established stance on art. But Matisse and Picasso did not ever adopt that stance. The difference between these two stances is so radical that a sentence such as "Matisse is commonly regarded, along with Pablo Picasso and Marcel Duchamp, as one of the artists who best helped to define the revolutionary developments in the visual arts throughout the opening decades of the twentieth century, responsible for significant developments in painting and sculpture" is nonsensical. We should not foist that on the reader. It is not that it is not true, in some sense, but the lead of the Matisse article isn't the place to spring this particular incomprehensible thought on the reader. ] (]) 06:08, 4 June 2017 (UTC) |
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::Essentially I agree with the above by both Ewulp and Bus stop especially regarding the fact that Duchamp was not an important factor in 20th century painting and sculpture as were Matisse and Picasso. However regarding Dada, Found objects, the Anti-art movement, conceptual art, installation art, performance art and other 20th century innovations Duchamp along with Matisse and Picasso were the 3 major influences on 20th century art. Although as an afterthought in my opinion, Duchamp's influence has faded while the influence of Matisse and Picasso continues to grow...] (]) 11:16, 4 June 2017 (UTC) |
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:::Just to note, in the lead of the M. Duchamp article, it is written "Duchamp is commonly regarded, along with Pablo Picasso and Henri Matisse, as one of the three artists who helped to define the revolutionary developments in the plastic arts in the opening decades of the twentieth century, responsible for significant developments in painting and sculpture." (4 sources are given). There is no mention of Matisse in the main body of text. The quasi-same sentence used to be in the Picasso article, but is no more, following an extensive edit exchange this past January. I'm agnostic either way on keeping or removing this. But if it stays in the lead of either, it should be discussed in the main body too. ] (]) 05:33, 8 June 2017 (UTC) |
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::::I'm close to agnostic on it too. The article (in each of the three cases) is on an individual artist. Therefore I ask myself why we should be pontificating about which artists "helped to define the revolutionary developments in the plastic arts in the opening decades of the twentieth century"? That is not the topic of the article. Information of that nature might more strongly belong in an article on art history or art theory. Adding the three of them (Picasso, Matisse, and Duchamp) in one sentence creates a potent contradiction in terms, in my opinion, and it upends what should be a straightforward delivery in an article on one artist. This is because unlike Picasso and Matisse, Duchamp espoused a view that was strongly "anti-art". That view has become accepted and normalized over time but the contradiction remains that Duchamp for instance chose objects for Readymades based on his "indifference" towards them, and he aimed to avoid what he termed "retinal art". I could overlook the statements made by artists about their own work, except if those statements seemed on target, which they do in the case of Duchamp. Therefore the reason given by Ewulp seems correct, that ''"Matisse and Picasso were self-conscious rivals as noted in the article, and this deserves mention in a well-developed lead."'' The inclusion of Duchamp in the lead would create a logical inconsistency, in my opinion, therefore we should avoid it. Another possibility is to also omit mention of Picasso in the lead, and I don't think this would be a bad idea. This would be precisely because we are omitting mention of Duchamp. It is inarguably a fact that Duchamp has been influential, perhaps very influential. My only objection is that Duchamp has been influential in a way almost diametrically opposed to the way in which Matisse has been influential. ] (]) 13:43, 8 June 2017 (UTC) |
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:::::FWIW The interaction between Matisse and Picasso was undeniably important to both artists and to art history; while the interaction between Matisse and Duchamp was negligible at most, although the interaction between Picasso and Duchamp was clear and relevant to the direction each of them took. Both Picasso and Duchamp approached found objects in their own unique ways...] (]) 14:03, 8 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Hi, is anyone planning to start adding images of Matisse's works to the article in January? A lot of previously deleted images will be restored on Commons; @Romaine will most likely take care of that. Gnom (talk) 10:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
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