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Lead update and more (November)

This section has been split from Talk:Ariana_Grande/Archive_8#Lead update and more for readability/accessibility. Aoi (青い) (talk) 02:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Please don't forget to add the information above. Also, Grande has now 18 songs with a billion streams. Update it. + Grande has relesed 18 fragrances so far. Four were released this year. https://tribune.com.pk/story/2486699/ariana-grande-unveils-global-fragrance-line-lovenotes Mirrored7 (talk) 20:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Why have you removed the information of her having all her albums achieving platinum status from the lead?

For the third time, please add, that she was with her dancer Ricky Alvarez. They both were in a relationship for over a year. She even mentioned him in her single "Thank U, Next". Mirrored7 (talk) 03:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Don't you think that line is a little redundant for an already somewhat long last paragraph?

I think that having it stated and sourced in the prose/body of the article is more than enough, alluding it to being something significant. But considering the size and stature of name/artist Grande is, that information does not feel as important/worth mentioning in the article's lead. Artists like Taylor Swift, Rihanna, Beyoncé, and Nicki Minaj also have all of their albums certified platinum status or higher, but when you look over at their article leads, that is not mentioned.

Maybe once Eternal Sunshine and Positions are certified double (or higher) platinum—the latter which has been eligible for higher since nearly two years now—the line can be readded that all of her albums are certified "multiplatinum" or higher.

Ben | he/him (talk) 10:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 For the top: Describing "Wicked" as only musical fantasy is a bit unspecific. Let's rephrase it to "the film adaptation of the fantasy musical Wicked (2024)". Mirrored7 (talk) 21:20, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Would the (2024) be after:

Wicked (2024) (which would link to the musical) or after film adaptation (2024)?

Also, is it better "returned to acting with Don't Look Up and " or should it be "and starred as Glinda in ", since she already returned to acting in 2021?

Ben | he/him (talk) 22:44, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

After film adaptation (2024).

"She returned to acting with the political satire Don't Look Up (2021) and starred as Glinda in the film adapation of the fantasy musical Wicked (2024)." @Ben0006

Also, please remove Fergie as one of the artists, Grande was inspired by. The article is over ten years ago, she only mentions the song specifically, not her as an artist. There are also no other sources other than that one, I could find. Mirrored7 (talk) 08:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Edit: I rephrased again.

"...and starred as Glinda in the musical fantasy film Wicked (2024)." People will eventually know, that this is a film adaptation of the broadway musical.

Again, remove Fergie from her influences section. She only mentions the song "Clumsy", not the singer specifically.

Thanks. Mirrored7 (talk) 14:35, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@PHShanghai While I appreciate your recent changes. Why you removed genres like Pop & EDM? After her debut album, she clearly experimented with more genres than R&B. Also "Into You" wasn't as big as the others songs globally. No need to mention that. The mention of the number one debuts, was better before, as it puts in retroperspective. The record will be clearly be broken sooner or later. Mirrored7 (talk) 09:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Pop and R&B have been and will continue to be her main genres for almost every single album she's put out. The only time she ever deviated from a traditional Pop & R&B album was Sweetener andTUN, and that was only because she included more trap influences while still keeping her urban pop sound. "Into You" was a pretty big global hit imo, but if you want to replace it with something else from the Dangerous Woman era, go ahead.

Additionally, she still holds the record for the most number one debuts for a female artist. If that will be broken by someone else then we will change it; otherwise, if she's currently holding the record for most number one debuts, then she should keep it per WP:CRYSTALBALL rule. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 11:44, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

She still experimented with other music generes on her albums. This should be pointed out in the lead.

She holds the record in general in general, not only for female artists. Mirrored7 (talk) 13:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006

(There was nothing wrong with the first paragraph, please revert):

Grande's debut studio album, Yours Truly (2013), incorporated retro-pop and R&B elements and yielded the successful single "The Way". My Everything (2014), her second album, experimented with EDM and contained the internationally successful singles "Problem", "Break Free", and the RIAA diamond-certified "Bang Bang". Grande further explored pop and R&B with her third album Dangerous Woman (2016), which solidified her critical and commercial success.

...and made Grande the first solo artist to simultaneously occupy the top three positions on the chart ALONG with "Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored".

She broke the record for the most number-one debuts in Hot 100 history

(She broke the record in general, not only for women).

After a musical hiatus, Grande ventured into dance music on her seventh album. Mirrored7 (talk) 10:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

The first paragraph was fine but the condensation and bringing of two albums into joint material stated together is much easier to read and comprehend, imo.

⠀

About the musicality of those two albums is included, and the sentence about the Dangerous Woman album does feel pretty redundant, in a manner that it stretches the paragraph, due to the "further explored " and "solidified her success" line. The latter was added to the new sentence and the old version seemed like that was just stated for the sake of having something to say about the album, when there isn't much to say about it in the lead, worth mentioning seperately, unless it's something about its role in her artistry, musical composition, or any records or awards.

⠀

In regard to the mention of dance music, there needs to be an explicit mention of that in some source, or it can be replaced with a mention of the album containing dance elements and influences, rather than being a primarily dance-oriented body itself. Maybe that line can be rephrased. Let me know if you have any ideas.

⠀

Ben | he/him (talk) 20:11, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006

Grande continued to blend pop, dance, and R&B influences on her next albums, My Everything (2014), and Dangerous Woman (2016), solidifying her critical and commercial success. How is that?

Don't forget to add "along" before "Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored".

Also PLEASE remove Mac Miller. Remove Into You, and put Side to Side after Bang Bang. Thanks! Mirrored7 (talk) 21:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

1. After a musical hiatus, Grande released her dance-influenced, Eternal Sunshine (2024), which received critical acclaim and...

2. Also remove "Into You". It's not known, as the other songs. Mirrored7 (talk) 07:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Don't forget to remove "Into You" from the lead. The other songs peaked all in the top five in countries like US, UK and Australia, while "Into You" didn't. It's a fan favourite, but not one of her biggest songs. Mirrored7 (talk) 18:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

"One Last Time" was a hit in many European markets, could it replace "Into You" in the lead?

And should synth-pop be added to the dance influence part?

Ben | he/him (talk) 20:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Bluesatellite Can you revert "the rose to fame" part? The word "appear" is already mentioned a sentence before. It's redundant. Mirrored7 (talk) 22:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Also, "Die For You" and "Save Your Tears" weren't number one debuts.

1. Remove Mac Miller. All the songs that have features, are not mentioned. That shouldn't be too.

2. Maybe combine the genres for both two albums, EDM, Pop, R&B. "...experimented or explored with EDM, Pop and R&B. Remove "Into You", as it didn't reach top ten in either US or UK. Also "Side to Side" came after "Bang Bang".

3. ...the top three positions on the chart ALONG with "Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored".

(It reads better with the along, add it again)

4. She broke the number one debut record in general, not just for a woman.

Also link the articles to the genres. You forgot too add it for: retro-pop, EDM, dance music Mirrored7 (talk) 20:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

@Mirrored7: Not everything should be mentioned on the lead section, which has been quite bloated. You had played ownership on this article for such long time, just let go now. Those Grammy nominations and Billboard Hot 100 trivia could be mentioned on the lead sections of awards article, discography article, or their respective albums and songs. Thank you. Bluesatellite (talk) 01:38, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Bluesatellite Have you seen Beyonce's and Miley Cyrus lead? This is quite bloated. How you can have such double standard? In the last days, a huge chunk of Ariana Grande's lead has been removed, unnecessary too. How much do you want to remove already? Her breaking a record 60 year old chart record or having her only AOTY nomination is NOT just "everything". Mirrored7 (talk) 01:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Don't look up to worse articles. Please take notes from WP:FA articles such as Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, or Lady Gaga. Taylor has many many Hot 100 chart records and they are not mentioned on her lead section either. Per MOS:INTRO, opening paragraphs should briefly summarize the most important points. Bluesatellite (talk) 01:57, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Bluesatellite

Well, I understand that.

However, someone like Taylor Swift had a much successful and longer career, so it's not that comparable.

Still, can you at least add that part with the Billboard record and the AOTY nod. You can also phrased it differently.

Also, the singles with the Weeknd, didn't debut at number one. Mirrored7 (talk) 02:20, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006

1. Re-add "Grande began her career at age 15" by appearing in the Broadway musical 13 (2008), and "as well as" to "rose to prominence as Cat Valentine in the Nickelodeon television series...

2. remove "streaming" from "broke several records".

3. remove "top 50" and re-add "among" in the Rolling Stone mention. Change "top 10" to "top ten" in the Billboard mention.

4. also remove "...both the highest for any artist emerging since the 2010s." and re-add "Grande was named Woman of the Year (2018) and the most successful female artist to emerge in the 2010s" right after Instagram mention. Mirrored7 (talk) 00:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Bluesatellite First of all, great work! Can you re-add that part "while the latter was nominated for Album of the Year, breaking several records. Grande became the first solo artist to occupy the top three spots on the U.S. chart with the aforementioned songs along with "Break Up with Your Girlfriend, I'm Bored".

Grande only was once nominated for AOTY and the Billboard record was very important to her career. It should be mentioned in the lead. Mirrored7 (talk) 01:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006

1. Replace "Grande began her acting career by appearing in the Broadway musical 13 (2008), as well as the Nickelodeon television series Victorious (2010–2013) and its spin-off series Sam & Cat (2013–2014)" to "Grande began her career by appearing in the Broadway musical 13 (2008), and to rose to prominence as Cat Valentine in the Nickelodeon television series Victorious (2010–2013) and its spin-off series Sam & Cat (2013–2014)"

2. remove "top 50" in the Rolling Stone mention. Change "top 10" to "top ten" in the Billboard mention.

3. also remove "...both the highest for any artist emerging since the 2010s" and re-add "Grande was named Woman of the Year (2018) and the most successful female artist to emerge in the 2010s" right after Instagram mention.

4. re-add ..." Grande became the first solo artist to occupy the top three spots on the U.S. chart with the aforementioned songs, right after mention of "Thank U, Next" and "7 Rings". Mirrored7 (talk) 11:43, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Thanks! Also remove "streaming" from "several records", maybe "breaking several chart records; she became the first solo artist to occupy the top three spots on the U.S. chart with the aforementioned songs." Mirrored7 (talk) 12:24, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Mirrored7:, this is not a comment on the merit of your suggested edits. However, it would be much more constructive if you engaged directly with Bluesatellite instead of directing another editor to revert Bluesatellite's edits on your behalf to get around your page ban. Aoi (青い) (talk) 14:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Please: Re-add that part, after breaking several records; "Grande became the first solo artist to simultaneously occupy the top three spots on the U.S. chart with the aforementioned songs."

It's a significant record, that hasn't been broken since the Beatles.

Also remove "streaming" from breaking several records, to stay conistent, with no mention of streaming in the lead. Mirrored7 (talk) 19:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006

Please don't forget fo add the Billboard record. It's a historical record, the same as Katy Perry has her 5 #1s record on her lead.

Update the number of Billboard nominations in "Awards and recognition". She has 42 now.

Remove Fergie as the source of influence. 1. There's only one source that states that. 2. Grande hasn't mention her as influence in years. Also the source is not recent and from a decade ago. Mirrored7 (talk) 15:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Update “positive reviews” to “critical acclaim" from critics” in her career section. Also, remove the worldwide gross. It's not the total yet and it's predicted to finish in 700 to 800 million range. Mirrored7 (talk) 14:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 also change journalists to critics. there's a difference to both. Mirrored7 (talk) 16:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Update to more recent image:

File:Ariana Grande (Wicked Premiere in LA).jpg Mirrored7 (talk) 07:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Add "She also has a large social media following, being the sixth-most-followed individual on Instagram" at the very end of the lead. Suits more. Mirrored7 (talk) 13:50, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Some change suggestions for the lead:

1. "Former contained the internationally successful singles "Problem", "Break Free" and the RIAA diamond-certified "Bang Bang", while latter became her fist of five consecutive number one albums in the UK", right after "My Everything" and "Dangerous Woman" mentions. Remove "Side to Side".

2. "Grande received critical praise for her potrayal as Glinda the Good in the fantasy musical film adaptation Wicked (2024), for which she earned a Golden Globe Award nomination."

3. Add "and one of the most RIAA-certified artists in history", right after "Grande has sold over 90 million records worldwide".

4. Add "She holds several Billboard chart records; seven of her number-ones singles and six of her studio albums each debuted atop on the Billboard Hot 100 and Billboard 200, respectively", after Billboard mentions in the fourth section of the lead Mirrored7 (talk) 20:13, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Is there a reason why you haven't added the two other? Also, its written "Glinda the Good" in most articles.

Can you please change the lead photo to a more recent one. Even its nominated for deletion, its still the most recent one and should be used.

Most particularly: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Ariana_Grande_%28Wicked_Premiere_in_Sydney%29_2.jpg Mirrored7 (talk) 16:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, its written "Glinda the Good".

What is the point of adding the Billboard chart records part? 6 number-one US albums and most number-one debuts is already mentioned. Whichever singles hit number one on the Hot 100 are explicitly mentioned in the lead too.

There's various records that she holds or broke/set in the past, that are mentioned in the Awards and Recognition section. It is pretty redundant to just add that sentence and supplement it with the number of albums and singles that debuted at the summit. Artists like Beyoncé and Taylor Swift also hold various records, albeit not mentioned as a statement in their leads.

What is the point of the consecutive UK number one albums?

Ben | he/him (talk) 20:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Grande has seven number one debuts. This isn't mentioned in the lead. It just says, she broke the record of number one debuts. You're right with the other ones, I guess. Mirrored7 (talk) 21:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Place the "sixth greatest pop star of 2024" mention, in "Music records and awards", in the the third section, as it's about a specific year, and not about Grande's overall impact. Mirrored7 (talk) 12:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Maybe change to "is among the fifth-highest-RIAA-certified female artists, in the lead. Mirrored7 (talk) 18:42, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Your recent edit was kinda unnecessary. She still received those nominations. Critic Choice Awards is still pending. And she's most likely to be nominated for SAG, BAFTA, and the Oscars. Also replacing the link with the winners wasn't necessary, when the whole point is Grande receiving a nomination. Mirrored7 (talk) 23:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Critics Choice Awards is still there in the 2024 subsection, along with its source, just as before, though. The article about the winners lists the nominees and highlights the winner (of each category) in bold. The reason behind replacing the reference was that either way, both state Grande as a nominee. Only using the previous source might make it seem vague as to if she won it or not, while the new source confirms the outcome.

Ben | he/him (talk) 03:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ben0006 "Thank U, Next" was named the 61st greatest album of the 21st century so far by Rolling Stone.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-albums-21st-century-1235177256/ariana-grande-thank-u-next-6-1235185233/ Mirrored7 (talk) 19:41, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Re-instate Impact section part two

Hi guys, so it's been a while but it's unfair that Ariana Grande's impact section was removed, i don't know what happened, I would re-instate but i can't do it so someone has to, because Ariana definitely has impacted the industry, last article revisions corrobored it, in fact, I helped to make it, so please, cand somebody re-instate impact section? 2800:BF0:60:F22:B41A:3235:9050:2EBF (talk) 23:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006

I think, it would be great to re-establish the impact section soon again

Sources you can look at (Choose the ones, you think are right):

https://www.udiscovermusic.com/stories/ariana-grande-redefined-pop-sweetener-thank-u/?

https://www.hercampus.com/school/umkc/how-ariana-grande-made-impact-2018/

https://www.thehypemagazine.com/2024/07/why-ariana-grande-reigns-supreme-on-spotify-a-look-at-her-streaming-success/

https://www.vulture.com/2020/12/taylor-swift-evermore-folklore-surprise-explained.html

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/taylor-swifts-new-album-evermore-embraces-more-is-more-release-strategy-11607621727

https://www.her.ie/amp/celeb/ariana-grande-opens-up-about-the-impact-of-thank-u-next-one-year-on-487668

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/music-industry-study-women-diversity-1330009/

https://www.popbuzz.com/music/artists/ariana-grande/features/thank-u-next-album-review/

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/feb/07/thank-u-next-why-pop-stars-fell-out-of-love-with-albums-ariana-grande

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/08/ariana-grande-rocketed-to-the-top-sweetener-pete-davidson

https://www.vulture.com/2019/04/a-guide-to-ariana-grande-pop-stardom.html

https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/6/20852568/streaming-revenue-growth-spotify-apple-music-industry-ariana-grande-drake-taylor-swift

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/in-praise-of-ariana-grande

https://www.revolt.tv/article/2018-11-05/97237/i-guess-ariana-grande-did-what-taylor-swift-couldnt

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/ariana-grande-yes-and-eternal-sunshine-1234965716/

https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/ariana-grande-thank-u-next-pop-star-8483363/

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/11/ariana-grande-youtube-series-dangerous-woman-diaries

https://www.elle.com/uk/life-and-culture/g30256467/best-pop-culture-moments-2010s-decade/

https://archive.junkee.com/ariana-grande-positions-era/275792

https://dailytargum.com/article/2022/11/two-years-out-pandemic-era-hit-positions-reflects-our-growth?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=Targum_Social

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/arts/music/popcast-ariana-grande-positions.html

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/filipino-youth-k-pop-ariana-grande-taylor-swift-advocacy-presidential-candidate-leni-robredo

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/ariana-grande-god-is-this-woman-77

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/ariana-grande-yes-and-eternal-sunshine-1234965716/

most recent one:

https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/ariana-grande-greatest-pop-stars-21st-century-1235804073/

I feel like three good stuctured sections would be sufficient. Maybe get some help from the others editors who are in here regularly. There is already section above music records and awards, to start with. Mirrored7 (talk) 19:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ben0006 You have not replied. Like I said, I would like to get this done this month. It's really not a big deal. Three sections of Ariana Grande's impact in the pop industry. I can help you too. Are the sources helpful to you? Mirrored7 (talk) 23:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Some of these are solid sources. But I'd not be able to start working on it this month itself.

Ben | he/him (talk) 03:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

That's okay. I will try to put something together, you can see, if you can added. @Ben0006

Maybe some editors who are often working on this article, could help too? @SNUGGUMS @Flabshoe1 @Prefall @Batud1991 Mirrored7 (talk) 19:31, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I'll assess these more closely later, but from a glance, that is quite a large collection of sources you've given! SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 20:18, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

UPDATE: I think it would be best to use Capital, Junkee, Billboard, and Rolling Stone among the links listed. Not sure how many paragraphs one could make using those. Regardless, more citations could easily be added to expand the section once started. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 01:14, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Grammar

A line mentions that a nutritionist working with Grande has “got her to . . .”

Grammatically, this should be “gotten her to . . .” or the sentence should be rewritten to say something like “encouraged her to . . .” CERy1 (talk) 05:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Done... - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Technically, "has got" is considered correct in British English. See https://oneminuteenglish.org/have-got-vs-have-gotten/ Mgolden (talk) 03:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Is there a suggested rephrasing that works well in both British and American English? CERy1 (talk) 06:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Considering that the article is written about an American, in American English, the British English argument holds no weight. Also, the source says "gotten". - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

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Add "Right after, she was ranked as Billboard's 6th greatest pop star of 2024" right after "In October 2024, Billboard ranked Grande as the ninth-greatest pop star, out of 25 artists, of the 21st century" in the 'Awards and recognition' section. Elapiedra (talk) 17:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source to cite? - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done – Anne drew 04:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Newest image

@Aoi The images haven't been deleted yet, so what's the point of not using either of them on this article? Especially if the Met Gala one is also nominated for deletion. The ones from the Wicked press are her most recent ones and they are also used for other articles of hers. Cynthia Erivo's lead one is also from the Wicked press tour. Mirrored7 (talk) 21:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

The image was changed under the reasoning that the prior image was being considered for deletion. However, it was replaced with a photo that is also under consideration for deletion, so the change solved one problem by creating another.

More importantly, the prior image was decided by consensus at a pretty well-attended RfC earlier this year, which shouldn't be overturned unilaterally. Aoi (青い) (talk) 18:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

You're right. But now there are several recent pictures to choose from. The discussion only took place because there was no other current picture of her to choose from. The lead image right now, is not her most recent one. It's also not that flattering anyway, with all the butterflies in her face. @Aoi Mirrored7 (talk) 18:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Aoi Can you reply to me? There's no reason to not a have one of the most recent images of Grande as the lead photo. So far, you're the only one to have an issue with it. Mirrored7 (talk) 23:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Quality is more important than how recent a photo is. And File:Ariana Grande at the Met Gala 2024 (1).jpg is much better quality than File:Ariana Grande (Wicked Premiere in Sydney) 2.jpg, in my opinion. Head shots are preferred for the lead photo, so the latter would need to be cropped, which will make its poor quality even more evident.

Regardless, this discussion is not really worth having because both of these photos will likely be deleted soon. If anything, we should be discussing which other photo to use afterward. From a quick glance at Commons, all of the options from the past few years are low quality screenshots from YouTube videos, unfortunately. Prefall 23:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree completely with the points Prefall makes here. Aoi (青い) (talk) 06:09, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Edit request - typo

I noticed a missing letter in the 2013-2015 Career section:

”became 2014's eight-best-selling digital single globally”

”eight” should be “eighth” Sneakers2929 (talk) 21:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Done... - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Lead image

The lead image is currently tagged for deletion under copyvio concerns. From another similar copyvio discussion regarding an image from Vogue Taiwan, Wikimedia commons administrator Bastique said "Vogue Taiwan republishing a copyrighted video doesn't make it magically CC-BY-3.0, when it has been demonstrated that the original is copyrighted. The license is obviously incorrect, and we would be hard pressed to refuse a takedown notice if Conde Nast were to decide they want to hold that copyright." I think the image should be removed due to the reasons I've mentioned, at least until the deletion discussion has come to a consensus. jolielover♥talk 13:41, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

@Jolielover Most of her recent images are nominated for deletion, which is a bummer. We have to keep one of them as the lead image until they are deleted, because the other ones are a decade old and don't represent her that well. We've had many discussions about her lead image in here, just last year. Mirrored7 (talk) 18:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

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