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Discordian Works

I don't suppose there's any chance of discussing your alarming propensity to dismiss and delete as "non-notable" edits which you've not demonstrated much in the way of actual knowledge about, is there? Please, let's talk about it. That's what the Discussion Page is for, after all. Drjon 01:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

If the material is unsourced there is nothing to discuss. Ashibaka (tock) 06:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

If the material seems unsourced, perhaps finding sources is the wisest move? Drjon 07:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I requested sources roughly a dozen times of as many people over the span of a week. I am done waiting. Ashibaka (tock) 23:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

With respect, you nominated for AfD, and within the context of that AfD your requests were met. This current spate of deletions seems to me to be unduly harsh, and seems to pay no heed to the history of this page. I must admit I have reservations about much of the content, however I would argue that re-editing and research would be the answer, a task which I'm in the process of undertaking. As I said, I'm working on it. Some breathing space would be appreciated. Drjon 23:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

None of my requests were met. People made ridiculous, unreferenced claims and called me a liar, and exactly 0 reliable sources were provided. Now an entry which ingeniously claims "Discordianism is primarily concerned with promoting children's rights and using gender-neutral pronouns" is going to remain that way for at least two weeks while you look for sources. I think it's time for me to take a break from this website. Ashibaka (tock) 00:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

WHY

I need to know from you why you came to my edit & threat'n deleting of it. I your words tell me!--saikano 18:03, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I recommend you study grammar diligently, read the tutorial, and try again. Ashibaka (tock) 23:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

ok

thank you for one last chance i will do all i can do to prevent this!it wont happen again.--Lolicon(Anti Child Porn)Saikano 13:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Greetings

Hi there, thanks for contributing to my RfA, I will bear your advice in mind and have now put Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism on my watchlist so I won't just be concentrating on articles I have written. TimVickers 01:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Jadger

• Jadger has been attacking me since weeks. I don't care to document his aggression, I don't have enough time. Plese, don't allow him to use you. I have been warned, that Jadger is a master in using administrators against his opponents. Jadger is smart using the Misplaced Pages to push his Prussian and anti-Polish POV. Is the Misplaced Pages the right place for such activities?
• Jadger claims to be an expert in German things, even if he isn't one. I have written the truth. Is writing truth incorrect?
• Jadger has accused me of hypcrisy, because I have provided pro-German links. I understand the Misplaced Pages as a place for cooperation, not as a court in which both sides use any available method to win. Jadger seems to have a better lawyer, does it make him right?
• Jadger has studied my edits and commented them rather than my final text. Is digging in my trash can a legitimate way of editing articles here?
• Jadger is using my talk page to teach me. I find his writings offensive and have asked him to keep away, but he continues his teasing.
• An example of Jager's language:I don't know about them old soviet computers, to make a bad Yakofff Smirnoff joke "In Soviet Russia (or Poland), computer types you!" . I don't like such comments.

Xx236 09:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Umm, that seems like a perfectly legitimate comment to me. Please provide a more obvious example of aggression by Jager because I reviewed the talk page he referred me to and he seemed to be civil. Ashibaka (tock) 17:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Media Vandals!

I really dont want to do this but i want to report a vandal, its name is: WNOR(Tommy & Rumble) i have heard them makeing up names and puting them on wiki, they also ordered a people to attack wikipedia! ON RADIO!!! Why am i telling you this? because i want to tell on someone even if they are great radio talk host.--Lolicon3043910 18:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I think you should tell people about this on Misplaced Pages:Village pump (news). It would be especially helpful if you let everyone know which articles they were planning to vandalize. Ashibaka (tock) 00:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

FYI, a little searching led me to this page, with the Feb 28th item as relevant. -- William Pietri 16:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Brandt AFD

Say, I just saw your notice that the AFD will run until the 12th. Although I'll have to grit my teeth to make it through nine more days of it, I think that's the fairest solution given the confusion, and I really appreciate you decreasing the number of things people have to argue about on that page. Thanks! -- William Pietri 16:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me...

I'd appreciate a little more information about your decision to do this.

Even though Essjay lied – repeatedly, at length, to the entire community – it does not mean that our polices on civility and personal attacks are suspended. It is never acceptable to taunt another editor and call him a coward, among other gross incivilities. Duke53 wasn't blocked because he had the 'wrong' opinion about Essjay. He was blocked because he was being extraordinarily rude, and getting very unsportsmanly cheap kicks in at an editor who was already in trouble.

Kicking other editors while they're down, even after they've announced their departure, just isn't acceptable. I'm very concerned about (at least) three aspects of your decision to unblock Duke53.

• Your unblock reason, "essjay left, proving his incivility to be well-founded" is disturbing. Incivility is never 'well-founded'.
• You didn't attempt to contact the blocking admin (me) before or after your unblocked Duke53. As far as I know, he never used the unblock template, nor did he attempt to email the blocking admin. You didn't seek any third-party review of your action.
• The Essjay thing has tempers running hot all over Misplaced Pages. Undoing another admin's action (particularly with such troubling reasoning and without following up or attempting a discussion) takes us unpleasantly close to wheel warring. This is the sort of action that starts forest fires.

That last reason is the only reason that I'm not taking this straight to WP:AN/I—there's been enough disruption from this whole Essjay mess that I don't need to light another fire. (If you feel that I'm coming down unreasonably hard on you here, however, feel free to seek wider comment.)

I hope that you can explain to me why you chose to unblock Duke53. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 20:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I note, by the way, that his first action after being unblocked was to restore a personal attack on Essjay to his user page: . How would you recommend handling this situation? TenOfAllTrades(talk) 21:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I think Duke53 is a smart guy. He is just angry right now that his trust was betrayed and I unblocked him so that he wouldn't feel like he was being blocked simply for calling for Essjay to resign (as he complained publicly). I recognize that it is often dangerous to reverse another admin's action, so after this one time I won't do it again for him. Since he immediately went back to making attacks my generosity has been exhausted. Ashibaka (tock) 21:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, I chose my words carefully in the unblock message, I didn't mean that his incivility was a good thing. I should have notified you about the early unblock; sorry. Ashibaka (tock) 21:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm still rather concerned about your choice of wording in the unblock message; it implied that the incivility was acceptable.

In any case, I have reblocked Duke53 for 48 hours, per the warning that I gave him yesterday. I too am deeply hurt that Essjay abused the community's trust, but the userpage nonsense that Duke53 is engaging in is out of line. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 00:55, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

A question

Dear Ashibaka,

I'm contacting you for a question because you're a sysop. I would like to completely enhance and rewrite an already existing article (the wikipedia article on Rene Guenon), with the goal of producing a high quality article.

What is the regular way of doing this ? I remember that there are some possibilities of inserting a sign inside the page saying that the article would undergo averhaul or something... but I don't remember the process and I don't want to make mistakes.

Can you help ?

Thanks ! TwoHorned 13:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Back when I was doing major editing in 2004 (you know, before Misplaced Pages submerged itself in meta-drama), it was common to use the {{inuse}} template to show that you'd be working on the article for the next few hours. It's still there so I assume you can still do that. Enjoy! Ashibaka (tock) 14:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Regarding User:Saikano..

I think the time is now for a lengthy block, though of course you're the one with the mop ;). He's not contributing, he's adding controversial material to his userpage again, he's soliciting organization names through WP, and he's generally disregarding every policy about what we do here. AGF at this point is gone. He'd been given a ton of chances by various editors, been given warnings, and still continues. I noticed you gave him a final warning a while back, and I'd be thankful if you at least looked the situation over again. I'd say at this point it's fair to call it disruption. -Wooty Woot? contribs 21:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Shimeru just seconded my final warning. I will give him roughly 48 hours. Ashibaka (tock) 23:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Just as a heads up, I posted something very similar to this on Friday's talkpage. This is getting pointless. He's shown no interest in writing an article or even using Misplaced Pages as a resource for knowledge. At this point, it seems clear to me that this is just a game to him, and if it's not, I'm not sure he has the intellect to contribute meaningfully. I'm certainly not saying you have to be a genius, but his spelling and grammar are often so poor, I question whether or not he's capable of contributing a sentence that is "constructive". 48 hours seems more than generous to me. AniMate 00:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, absolutely, but he does seem at least sane, and I'm hoping to knock some sense into him without having to block him and make it seem like Misplaced Pages is a bunch of meanies. Ashibaka (tock) 00:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

What kind of sane person places their home address and phone number on their userpage... not once but twice. There are a lot of things I could say about Saikano and what I really think he's up to... but I'll assume good faith. For the record, I really don't think he's a teen or minor (did I just say I'd assume good faith?). Never mind, he knows what he has to do and that he's being watched. AniMate 00:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I second AniM's opinion and think something definitely either creepy or fishy is going on. Users of his age don't usually admit to loeving loli publicly. Just a hunch, though. -Wooty Woot? contribs 00:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how old you guys are but I could definitely see someone his age (high school freshman?) both loving teh loli and being extremely naive. Ashibaka (tock) 00:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm still in my 20s, but that level of naivete in this day and age is hard to believe. A child yes, a teen... no. If he's worldly enough to learn about lolicon (I only recently learned the term and I actually work in animation), hes surely worldly enough to know about the dangers of internet predators. The age thing, mixed with the lolicon thing, mixed with the pedophile thing adds up to something suspicious. I'm not sure what he's up to, but there's something not right and it goes beyond not contributing to articles. AniMate 01:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Alas, the reliably sourced discussion of lolicon on Misplaced Pages is nowhere near the full story, and I hope some sociologist gets on that stat. I fully believe Saikano is who he says he is. Ashibaka (tock) 01:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

As you should. I'm clearly not assuming good faith. Here's hoping he can contribute in some way that doesn't put him at risk. AniMate 01:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure wanting him to edit articles is a good thing. Looking at his language skills and maturity, I seriously doubt his edits would be an improvement. I removed some of the more egregious content from his user page. Not sure what else to do about him. Friday (talk) 01:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

• As the person who offered him "user adoption", I'm wiping my hands of this mess. If someone is young/inexperienced/whatever, they deserve a chance to improve, but aside from saying he wants to behave, I have seen no real effort. You guys do whatever you need to do. —dgies_c 02:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I dont know what it is ya dont like about me or my edits! The feeling im getting is ya dont want me around! What is ya's problem?! Im new,I havent read all 1,000 rules of wikipedia yet, & did i mention im new?! If ya want me to leave wikipedia for not knowing all 1,000 rules on wiki then fine, its not the first time ive been told im not wanted (i.e."abandon son mom" & "runaway dad")! so this is another site that wants me gone NOW! ok i see ok fine im gone just say the word "your useless to wikipedia we dont need you so leave! just say that and im gone, from a nother site i like!so BYE!kanpai!--Lolicon3043910 17:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

what is that thing you said? I dont know what that is but im not liking the attatude your takeing with me just because i edit saikano 95% of the time! an edit is an edit so i see no problem with editing articals of my choice! If thats the problem then maybe you need to take some time while editing the site to think just what is the problem?Kanpai!--Lolicon3043910 17:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

can i write something humorous? you know like that wikiaddited test thing! ive really been working on that!--Lolicon3043910 17:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

No. -Wooty Woot? contribs 17:49, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

USERNAME CHANGE

I have changed my username to Shii. I expected this to happen roughly three weeks from now but the usurping rules got changed so it happened now! The sole reason for this change is that I have not used "Ashibaka" online (excepting in Misplaced Pages-related places) since 2003, and I would like people to be able to identify me as the owner of http://shii.org/ and so forth, for greater transparency. Sorry for making things confusing! Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 05:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Congrats on the change! -- Zanimum 19:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

So it was you after all. :cone: --Tsaryu 00:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Discordian Works

Could you and IamthatIam please take it to the talk page? This warring is not constructive and I think it'd be best if you agree to disagree and talk it out. This is running close to a 3RR violation for the both of you. Teke 05:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Linkimage

Template:Linkimage has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 22:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

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O mygod im sorry im just new at this stuff and im just geting use to it!--Akemi2.0 12:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

thats not fair!

You arnt being fair! thats civil & ok! You are doing that to get me kicked out! its not happening mister! Not to me! so let me try this again, BACK OFF! or i will report you for following me! Haha!--Akemi2.0 16:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

what is saikano

i dont know what saino is but im not im akemi & i added 2.0 for fun--Akemi2.0 16:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Akemi2.0

Hey, I know you're already in the process of dealing with him, but he's REALLY starting to bug me. -Sukecchi 16:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Help_desk#namecalling Thought I would bring this to your attention... -Sukecchi 18:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

im not a he! and i dont meen to be a bother to anybody but my moms going to check my edits! --Akemi2.0 17:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

"Akemi" is a character in the same anime as "Saikano", in case you didn't know. Another nail in the coffin. -Wooty Woot? contribs 22:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't even know that. I might as well block him now. Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 23:12, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I was about 90% sure that he was Saikano after the edit to the WikiProject talk page that I warned him for. No info on the checkuser? It doesn't really seem necessary at this point. Heck, I even considered asking him if he was Saikano when I warned him! Leebo /C 16:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

He won't leave me alone...he keeps begging for things on my talk page... -Sukecchi 16:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear, he's back, eh? —dgies_c 02:00, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

And sharing lovely personal information. I'm sure the people with oversight'll be happy to clean up after him yet again. Is there any way we can block him from editing anything, even user talks? He's a danger to himself. -Wooty Woot? contribs 04:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

And now he has a woeful tale of domestic violence on his page. You know, I don't believe a word he says. He'll say anything he thinks will get attention. Leebo /C 12:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I could not have music with this

This user would like to wish you a happy St. Patrick's Day.

Trampton 13:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for the sentiment but I'm Northern Irish :) Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 14:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration

Be aware that a Requests for arbitration has been filed concerning your conduct on Misplaced Pages. See: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration IamthatIam 05:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Im not

Mister i am not saikano! Before you remove this please let me explain: I have no Idea what saiano is but it is not me! Im not lieing! I am not saikano! I am being true when i say this! Why are you doing this! I am "not" a saikano! So dont say that! now can you fix that so i can go back to work?--AkemiX 12:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Deletiondebates template

Hi Shii. I proposed a change to the Deletiondebates template here. I would appreciate your input on this. -- Jreferee 22:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Email

Shii, I sent you an email. It's about a possible Saikano/Akemi2.0 sock. Leebo /C 17:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I've submitted a checkuser Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Saikano. His recent behavior made too many flags go up for me to ignore it. Leebo /C 17:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

It has been confirmed. Mr.Taka is a Saikano sock. Leebo /C 19:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Before anything is done, note the discussion on Friday's talk page. I went ahead with the checkuser without talking to anyone else, so I wasn't aware that there was suspicion. Leebo /C 19:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Enjoy!

Trampton has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Trampton 06:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC).

Discordian Works

Will do. I'm up to my eyeballs in other OR/RS issues at other articles but I'll take a look at it later today. Cheers. NeoFreak 15:32, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Hal Turner

You undid an edit with valid citations pertaining to information not previously mentioned in the article. Do not undo the edit again. paco the immigrant

Cheer Chen

It's quite a good photo. Badagnani 05:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 06:28, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Your comments about me

I added a list of some of your comments about me to my talk page. Thought you'd like to know. Reverend Loveshade 07:01, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Image

Thanks for your note. The image is based on this, so I can't claim much creative input. Still learning. :-) SlimVirgin 22:55, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:STALK

Careful...stalking isn't a very nice thing to do, Mr. Ashibaka. --Wassermann 16:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Then don't do it, silly. Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 17:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

HI SHII

hi shii. do you remember me? we used to be buddies on the internet :D EloH 05:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

yeah you never sent me that drawing :( Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 06:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

how about this: i will send you a song instead. wait. let me get a drawing i made for you! i remembered i made it. EloH 06:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC) ok shii, this is a mushroom drawing on the back of a piece of cup noodle packaging. http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1243/untitled5fz3.jpg EloH 06:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

wow that is quite a thing, you should sell it to a museum Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 06:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

i drew it while bored at work. EloH 06:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

In video games

The videogame Chrono Cross, released in 1999, features a character named "Macha" who is reminiscent of a mammy character. She is a portly, black housewife who tolerates no sass from her children. She also fights with a frying pan and folds enemies like laundry. In the original Japanese version of the game, Macha was called "Mamacha". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.75.42 (talk • contribs)

I'd like to say this is the best thing I've ever received on my talk page, but there is just so much it has to compete with. Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 17:51, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism to 4chan

Especially with sensitive topics such as this one, posting false information may not be the best idea. The "source" you cite for that addition doesn't say anything close to what you said, and it really wasn't funny at all. Even if it were funny, it would still be considered vandalism. Please don't do it again. (ESkog) 23:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

First I get warned for removing inaccurate, unsourced content, then I get called out for adding accurate, sourced content. What next, Misplaced Pages? What next? Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 00:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Request for admin review

Hello shii, I am asking you to get involved in a controversy. I believe that SlimVirgin violated policy by blocking User:Tsunami Butler with whom she was involved in a content dispute. It looks like she blocked others (including me) for similar reasons. In my case she unblocked me, but the other blocks remain. This became the subject of an RfC which was deleted by Jayjg.

However, SlimVirgin posted on my talk page that I could choose an admin to review her actions (see User_talk:Don't_lose_that_number#TsunamiButler_and_HonourableSchoolboy.) I hope you are willing to do it. It seems like a lot of other admins observe a Code of silence. --Don't lose that number 14:29, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Bush White House e-mail controversy merger

I invite you to check over the merged result at Bush White House e-mail controversy , combining information from 2007 White House email controversy, and improve it, if you can. I propose to turn the "2007" article into a redirect in a week. -- Yellowdesk 20:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

BigBoards

If you're so worried about them being a reliable source or not (and I'm not convinced of your argument, based on the apparent lack of one board), then you sould read this page on their site. If you feel something should be listed there, either submit it or encourage those who run the boards you seem to feel have been slighted to submit to them. The site seems impartial and statistically accurate enough to warrant citations. TheRealFennShysa 15:30, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

BS. They don't list 2ch because they don't feel like it. I have e-mailed them a dozen times about this. They choose not to include a forum which made Wired magazine this month and The New York Times a couple years ago, I don't call that a reliable source at all. Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 22:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, that's not entirely true. According to the page I linked, they don't list 2ch because the board administrators at 2ch haven't installed a script that allows the site to be ranked. It sounds more like you need to contact the administrators at 2ch to resolve the issue. TheRealFennShysa 22:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

It is not the responsibility of the 2ch administrators to make another website reliably rank Internet forums. As long as the ranking is factually inaccurate (2ch is #1 by any reasonable standard) it should not be used on Misplaced Pages. Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 23:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

What proof do you offer that this website you happen to be fixated on (2ch) is #1? Their own claims parroted in media articles, or their own posting stats which cannot be verified by outside sources? I'm sorry, but that's not enough. As far as I'm concerned, the ranking site in question has done everything possible to include as many as possible, has explained their methodology and reasonings as to why certain sites are listed. Since you're the one claiming the listing is factually inaccurate, it seems the burden of proof is on you to SHOW that it is. TheRealFennShysa 23:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

"Their own claims parroted in media articles" Hahahahahahahah. Are you saying Big-Boards Dot Com is more reliable than the New York Times and Wired combined? Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 00:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Third opinion

The plea posted on Misplaced Pages:Third opinion didn't mention the article associated with this disagreement, and neither does the conversation above, so it's hard to offer an opinion with meaningful context. Generally, I'd say that it's appropriate to state what BigBoard claims and cite it. If you're concerned that BigBoard's database isn't comprehensive enough to be truly representative of what it purports to cover, then by all means reference the claims without stating them as fact in the article. =Axlq 05:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, the problem with that (which I've been tackling in an unrelated issue as well) is that it makes the assumption that big-boards.com is a website worthy of being referenced. For example, would you want in the Misplaced Pages article, "According to Stormfront.org Misplaced Pages is run by a secret cabal of Jews"? Similarly, big-boards.com is obviously not a worthy reference site in its topic. It purposefully excludes an entire category of Internet forum because their definition of "forum" is limited to things with mandatory registration and SQL servers. I don't think it's appropriate to cite them at all when making claims about being in the "top 20 largest forums" or something like that. Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 05:37, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

"Obviously not a worthy reference site" is pretty strong language - obvious to you, I suppose, but that does not necessarily make it so. I looked at the link provided above, and while BigBoard does not list some boards, that can change, and they do provide a mechanism for adding boards. The site you appear to have an issue about *is* mentioned on their site, but since its membership numbers appear to be unverifiable and/or uncountable (as opposed to the nearly 2000 other boards that *are* listed), it cannot be ranked on their list. I'm going to side with Axlq above, and say that I see no problem in listing them as a source for claims of this sort - especially in light of the fact that there doesn't seem to be another reliable source for this specific kind of information. MikeWazowski 13:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

• "they do provide a mechanism for adding boards" -- only forums that run American software. They don't support Japanese software and as the page above explains they are not planning on adding it.
• "it cannot be ranked on their list" -- that means the list is inaccurate. Since when is inaccurate information OK to be used on Misplaced Pages?
• "especially in light of the fact that there doesn't seem to be another reliable source for this specific kind of information" -- look, it doesn't matter how AMAZINGLY IMPORTANT this information is, if there are no reliable sources then we can't have it on Misplaced Pages.

I hate to say it but I smell some sort of racism here. Both of you seem to be saying that Japanese boards are less important compared to American boards. Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 22:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

You are imagining sinister motives where none exist; your suggestion of racism is inappropriate and unwarranted. Your userpage makes a claim that you are an administrator - if that is true, then you should know better.

As the person who originally offered the third opinion, I have no clue what board is Japanese and what isn't, nor do I care. I doubt MikeWazowski knows or cares either. For all you know, I might be Japanese. It doesn't matter. The fact still stands: it is acceptable to cite BigBoards as a source of something that BigBoard claims, provided it's stated as BigBoard's claim, or qualified by a statement that BigBoards doesn't rank all forums. BigBoards seems reliable for information that can be provided with the mechanisms they use for ranking.

Also, in which Misplaced Pages article is this a contentious issue, anyway? This conversation belongs on that article's talk page, not on an editor's talk page. =Axlq 22:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, does that mean I can make a website using my own definition of "big" or "good" and start adding that to a bunch of articles? For example, "According to Shii, who ranks forums by how many times 'lol' is used in every point, this is one of the worst 20 websites on the Internet." By the way the article in question is TheForce.Net. Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 00:32, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Straw man analogy.

• Big-boards.com isn't saying anything negative about 2ch or any other site.
• Big-boards.com hasn't created an arbitrary subjective definition of "big" or "good"; they don't even use those terms or judge forums that way.
• Their purpose, according to their site, is to list the "most active message boards on the web." They have several objective measures of defining "most active." Recognizing that not everybody will agree on which measure is best, the site allows visitors to select which of those measures is most meaningful to them.
• Big-boards.com also openly recognizes that not all boards are measurable, and specifically acknowledges 2ch as a "huge Japanese board, but no post/members counts available." If a forum doesn't want to be objectively ranked according to quantifiable measures, then big-boards.com can't rank it. It's that simple. =Axlq 17:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Big-boards.com uses an absolutely subjective criteria, which is that it assumes all message boards must have a registration function. No major Japanese forum uses registration at all. Sorry if I didn't make that clear before. That's why big-boards doesn't have any Japanese forums on its list. 2ch does have quantifiable statistics which it publishes-- you can see it yourself at http://stats.2ch.net/suzume.cgi?yes -- but I have contacted the big-boards manager several times and he doesn't want to list 2ch because it doesn't have registration. This is subjective and you should not cite a website with such a bias. Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 17:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

It's impossible to measure membership if users don't have to register. I don't see this as subjective at all. Also, I looked at TheForce.net and was shocked to see the sensationalist description of big-boards.com in the references. I removed the POV language from it. =Axlq 17:29, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

"It's impossible to measure membership if users don't have to register." Exactly. That's why excluding boards such as 2ch is racist, and big-boards.com must not be cited in any Misplaced Pages article. Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 17:33, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Concerned about User:Wassermann

Hi Shii: Please see my concerns at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Judaism#User:Wasserman. Thank you, IZAK 13:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)