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Murder vs killing

In reference to the recent edit war(s) you have been involved in over use of "murder" over "killing" (or words to that effect), please comment on the issue here so that we might come to a conclusion. Thank you. Logoistic 01:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

RepublicUK

Final warning issued; if he does it again, to you or anyone else, please let me know and I'll block him to make it stop. If I knew for sure he was a sock - certainly looks like one - I'd block him straight-out, but I can't figure out who he might be. Do you have any idea? He seems to have some particular complaint with you, so I thought you might have a solid guess, at which point we can do a checkuser and look for a long-term solution. | Mr. Darcy talk 16:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll ask C-R. If it happens again, let me know, as it looks to me like RepUK is increasing his disruption as he goes. | Mr. Darcy talk 16:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

He created his User page with "I represent the UK organisation Republic which can be found at www.republic.org.uk ". Does this mean he has come to Misplaced Pages with an object in mind? Seems like it. David Lauder 20:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

He looks like a sock-puppet to me.--Major Bonkers 22:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Who do you think he could be??????--Vintagekits 22:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Vintage, I prefer that you do not leave comments on my talk page. 'Crucified on a cross' is a tautology. - Kittybrewster 22:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Bonkers that he's an established user, but I don't see anyone with a similar editing pattern, and can't block him just on that whiff of a suspicion. If any of you has a solid guess as to his identity - it's not Vintagekits, I've already examined that possibility due to their similar comments on the open AfD - let me know or, if you're not comfortable doing it openly, just email me. | Mr. Darcy talk 14:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Im flattered, I truly am, I've been here a couple of weeks and you consider me to be an established user. Please don't talk about me behind my back like little school children.RepublicUK 04:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Gillis Baronets

It doesn't look like it. The creator, User:Duiek, seems to have edited and created lots of pages concerning this family (including saying that one of them was Vice-Admiral of Scotland, and that one of them is an entrepreneur (Googling suggests the company concerned, W. M. Gulliksen, does actually exist, but doesn't suggest it's notable in any way)). The 2nd Baronet is supposed to have married Anne, daughter of the 4th Earl of Findlater, but my sources say that that nobleman had no daughter of that name, and I can't see any relative of any of the Earls marrying anyone called Gillis. My gut reaction would be that it's a couple of vanity articles concerning a non-notable American family (one of whom is presumably the editor concerned) together with a completely invented illustrious family history. Proteus (Talk) 23:28, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Astrotrain

I noticed you posted in the talk page. The normal procedure is to state your view in the outside view section. See Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Jance and Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Essjay. The idea is to gain consensus, so individual sections do not have a "disagree" option as with AfD for example. The alternative view is stated separately. Users can then choose to endorse whichever view(s) they choose. Tyrenius 23:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I thought about it and clearly (not for the first time in my life) jumped the wrong way. I have fixed it. - Kittybrewster 23:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Complicated business at times. I removed "disagree" as this is meant to be your statement on Astrotrain (and the relevant situation), not a !vote as such on the opening statement. I hope this is OK. Tyrenius 23:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Archive

As your talk page is getting rather long, I thought you might benefit from an archive. See the box at the top of the page. Click the red link to open the page itself. Just cut and paste unwanted talk into it. (If you don't want the box, then just delete it.) Tyrenius 02:47, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Learning all the time. - Kittybrewster 13:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Lots to learn - there's never and end to it, because as soon as you've mastered something, it gets changed anyway! I might mention it is the norm not to delete or archive active threads, i.e. when users are still commenting or likely to in the immediate future. It can give the — I'm sure in this case mistaken — impression that the user has something to hide. Tyrenius 23:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

William Arbuthnot (artillery officer)

Vintagekits isn't disrupting this. He's quite entitled to place a nn tag if he wishes, or a prod or take it to AfD, if he thinks any of these things are merited. He is proceeding very prudently with merely the lowest level to start with. This is the normal business of editing, and as long as it is done for sincere reasons, rather than overt and deliberate disruption, there is no problem, even if the person is mistaken. In the lack of evidence to the contrary, we AGF. There has to be a "cut off" point where military and aristocracy don't make the threshold. I am inclined to think this subject does, per commanding a large body of men (in this case a whole branch of the army), so might well be a resounding keep if it went to AfD, but I could be wrong. There are probably more dubious examples, however. Tyrenius 01:15, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I accept he is entitled to place a nn tag and that this is prudent/ low level. It seems to me strange that there are folks who question notability of a general while contributing to articles for young men who achieved nothing other than (the dubious honour of) getting shot. I have no doubt this article would survive an afd, but what it really needs is not an nn tag (in my opinion) but a "could use expanding" tag. I will work on that when time allows. Meanwhile I must stop feeling VK is stalking me. - Kittybrewster 18:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

J R Gillis

(from User talk:Quarl) Thank you. Would you like to tell him? (If he doesn't know already). Dieuk seems remarkably dilligent if he is not J R Gillis. - Kittybrewster 09:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Kittybrewster, I was hoping someone else would pursue it so I didn't have to :) —Quarl 2007-03-05 08:55Z

Done. - Kittybrewster 18:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Minor edits

Please don't label additions to talk pages as minor edits, as some users turn off minor edits on their watchlist. Details of what constitutes a minor edit are at WP:MINOR. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 01:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Crest

You seem to have the details per your post on the French wiki wrt the colours for the crest so I don't quite follow the question. Bit surprised about the colours given as I'm used to seeing sea dogs in vert and or. Alci12 18:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I copied the blazon from Burke's. - Kittybrewster 10:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh I wasn't doubting the accuracy of what you said just an unusual colour Alci12 11:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Leathers Arms

Any ideas where I might find the Leathers family arms to add to Frederick Leathers, 1st Viscount Leathers? Weggie 12:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Is the Viscount an armiger? You cannot just attribute Arms to him because the surname is the same. David Lauder 13:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I've no idea to be honest, how do I find out? Weggie 13:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

There is no armigerous family of Leathers in the General Armory of England, Scotland, and Ireland by Messrs., John & John Bernard Burke, 3rd edition, London, 1844. David Lauder 13:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh well. Thanks for your help Weggie 13:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, he is armigerous. I will email you the details. - Kittybrewster 14:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Oops. I can't. Please email me. - Kittybrewster 14:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Will do so tonight (just getting the Wiki-email validation thing sorted as I've not switched it on before) Weggie 14:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Baronet AfD

I have just come across a deletion nomination for Sir Keith Arbuthnot, Bt. You may wish to comment (here, my Talk Page, or elsewhere) on my remarks on that. I think the AfD is wrong. David Lauder 13:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Sir Norman Stronge, 8th Baronet

I think it's shaped up nicely, so please do initiate a WP:Peer review. It could probably do with more in the family section and some more personal information. Tyrenius 01:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I will have a go. - Kittybrewster 10:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Think we need slightly more on his war service as well - nearly there though Weggie 11:59, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Medal
At first I thought it might have been his baronet's badge but obviously not if he didn't inherit the title until 1939 and the photo was taken in the '20s. It looks a bit like the Belgian Croix de Guerre which he was awarded, but I'm not sure if that's only worn on the chest (?) It is a bit hard to make out too. Maybe you could direct the question to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Orders, Decorations, and Medals. Thanks, Craigy (talk) 21:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

More on Scotland

I wondered if you might care to update the style and content of these, or pass onto someone else who might be interested. A lot of text is from the 100 year old Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition. What was then obviously considered the finest writing needs considerable revision to conform to wikipedia policies...

• Allan Ramsay (artist)
• Allan Ramsay (poet)
• William Aikman (painter)

Tyrenius 02:19, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

USER: VINTAGEKITS

I filed a complaint against User:Vintagekits for his mass spamming and bad faith PRODing. Thanks for rv his abuses but you shouldn't have had to do all that work, and not all those pages need expanding anyway.

I think he deserves to be blocked indefinitely or for a lengthy period for what he did/does/will do. Don't you agree? We both know his history of pro-PIRA slants, etc. We both know he is going to continue doing this sort of thing or perpetrate other sorts of abuses.

Why don't you lodge a serious complaint as well to the Administrators or ArbCom committee??

Pls. respond on my talk page if you care to. Yours, O'Donoghue 01:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

He is now attacking my articles deliberately. See Broun Baronets.David Lauder 23:03, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

RFC FOR VINTAGEKITS

You forgot to sign your statement on the RfC for Vintagekits. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Kittybrewster/VK_rfc O'Donoghue 13:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I have not yet made a statement. - Kittybrewster 19:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I suspect the problem is that nobody knows it's there; it doesn't seem to be linked from anywhere but your user page. If you want to attract outside interest to something, mentioning it on a relevant talk page is often a good idea. If there are at least two people who agree that there's a problem, and the RfC is certified (or you think it will be certified very soon), you should post it to WP:RFC, rather than leaving it in your userspace and hoping somebody notices it. Hope that helps! --ais523 14:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, seems that was O'Donoghue's helpme in your userspace (I misread the history), but I'll leave this here because you might find it relevant. --ais523 14:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

If you want the RfC for Vintagekits to proceed you must sign off/endorse under the section called Users certifying the basis for this dispute. Thanks!O'Donoghue 17:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't - yet. Gathering data. - Kittybrewster 17:43, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

OK- when you do the section is "Requests for comment/User conduct".O'Donoghue 17:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, User:O'Donoghue has tried to file the RfC anyway, and I've fixed it for them per a helpme request (as best as I can without admin tools); I also removed the 'this is a draft' line because the page was linked from RfC and people were ignoring it anyway. (Your user subpage was linked - via an external link - from WP:RFC/USER for a time.) As far as I can tell, it meets the criteria for being open even though you haven't opened it, which is a pretty unusual situation; I'm a bit confused as to do now, so I'm just posting here to let you know what the status quo is so you can make up your own mind. Hope that helps! --ais523 18:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Removed. Not close to being useful yet. - Kittybrewster 19:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Back to the headaches

Please see my comments in User_talk:Tyrenius#I_was_writing_this_the_other_night_as_I_got_blocked. You can't have it both ways. Either Vintagekits stays off your page, except where unavoidable, and vice versa. Or not. But there's not one rule for him and one for you. The copyright issue can be discussed on an article talk page, if necessary, where other interested editors can also be made aware. Tyrenius 01:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the comments should have been on N Stronge's page. I pasted them there, editing out the sniping. VK has never asked me not to post on his page. I guess he has now! - Kittybrewster 01:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Article naming for Baronets

Please folks, centralise this discussion rather than splatting it over a dozen article talk pages. I suggest Category_talk:Baronets. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:47, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Earls

I know you are a prolific contributor to articles about Baronets etc, so I ask you for guidance. While doing checking of random articles for referencing, I found a category of Earls: Category:Earldoms which sounded like they were taken from some print or online source, but the first several I looked at had no sources listed, so I tagged thm as "unreferenced" and moved on. Then I found Earl of Holland which cited a web page: Leigh Rayment's Peerage Pages . I find it appears to be just someone's webpage. Would you consider it to be a reliable source satisfying WP:ATT ? Wouldn't these titles/persons be in the more standard peerage books? I do not see where he cites to a printed source. Thanks. Edison 21:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes the Earldoms will be in Burke's Peerage, Burke's Extinct Peerage, etc. But I am not aware of any source other than Rayment which seeks to collate them all. He makes mistakes but they are astonishingly rare. It is a source to trust. User:Proteus is an expert on this question. - Kittybrewster 21:15, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Duff Baronets

Agree, I wasn't very happy with it although in all honesty I thought it was difficult to read also before my changes. Please feel free to make the changes you feel are necessary to make the page easier to read. Regards, Tryde 07:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Summers Baronets

Hello again. Summers Baronets needs to be removed from List of extant Baronetcies. Do we have to manually change all the order of precedence numbers in the list or is there a more sophisticated way of doing this. Regards, Tryde 16:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know of a more sophisticated way. - Kittybrewster (talk) 22:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I have corrected the numbering. Tryde 08:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

A Goodbye

Just a quick message to say goodbye as I am leaving my Misplaced Pages account (reasons at my user page). I would also like to say well done for all your wonderful work on Misplaced Pages. Despite the many hassels you get, notably from User:Vintagekits about the baronets, you always remain calm and continue. I have not got your patience and have had enough of hassels from many people; Im also starting a new 9-5 job this month so won't have the hours I have now. Anway, goodbye and keep up the excellant work. --Berks105 20:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I proberly won't be able to stop myself looking occasionally, I will be worried about the pages I put so much effort into being vandalised! Bye. --Berks105 21:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

hCard microformat in Template:Infobox Biography

Hi,

I see that you;re an editor of Template:Infobox Biography. Would you be interested in helping to add the hCard microformat (see also Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Microformats) to that? I can advise on the required mark-up, but I'm not familiar with template code editing. Andy Mabbett 11:10, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

VKits

Whatever became of the request for comment for Vintagekits?--Counter-revolutionary 18:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

It can wait. It is not ready to float. Real life takes priority. - Kittybrewster (talk) 18:48, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh yes, of course, I just wasn't sure whether it had been launched or not. --Counter-revolutionary 19:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Lumsden

I'm afraid I don't know enough to comment on it. It seems sourced, though, and there's nothing in it that instantly jumps out as absurd. I don't think being a former feudal baron is worth mentioning, however. Proteus (Talk) 13:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Categories

I see no reason why Lords of Parliament shouldn't be included. And Category:Barons in the Peerage of the United Kingdom seems only to be hereditary peers, so life peerage categories (both LPA and AJA) would appear to be necessary. Proteus (Talk) 00:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

LPA and AJA?? - Kittybrewster (talk) 06:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Life Peerages Act 1958 and Appellate Jurisdiction Act 1876. I suppose representative peers had better be put in too, since there's not really any other way to categorise that category, but they will all of course be in one of the other categories already. Proteus (Talk) 09:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Lionel Phillips

Hi and thanks for the message! Peremptory, terse, discourteous AND arrogant AND a hypocrite. I've had a long life in the world of science and have a holy respect for good logic and reasoned thinking, but I also know that the truly knowledgeable people, in all walks of life, without exception, are patient and sensitive when it comes to sharing their expertise. I have no patience with bullies. Having said that, I would like to have a good working relationship with fellow editors who are truly interested in improving articles and not just putting their stamp of authority on everything. Do let me know if I can help in any way. Paul venter 11:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Great. I have not understood some of the reverting you have done on this article. But together we are all making progress. Do bear in mind WP:NPA. - Kittybrewster (talk) 21:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I also know that the truly knowledgeable people, in all walks of life, without exception, are patient and sensitive when it comes to sharing their expertise. Could Paul Venter provide us with a source for such an amazing statement? Certainly it has not been my experience. David Lauder 15:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Peerage

Looking at the worklists (Index · Statistics · Log) I seem to have got some English monarchs tagged, because they were also dukes or what have you. An easy way to get around this (rather than reverting those edits) would be to have the project template make the peerage WikiProject mutually exclusive to Royalty/British Royalty, i.e. if royalty is yes or british royalty is yes the peerage-work-group=yes parameter gets ignored.

Would this be acceptable, or are there articles which are genuinely in the scope of both WikiProject British Royalty and WikiProject Peerage? --kingboyk 14:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

No, the logic is right. They are covered by both projects. :) - Kittybrewster (talk) 21:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up.

My bot has now done all the categories you requested. I trust that's all, but if not you know where to make the request for further categories :) --kingboyk 16:57, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Friedrich Eckstein/Frederick Eckstein

Hi Kittybrewster, here's another baronet for you - the younger brother of Hermann Eckstein - do you already know about him? . Incidentally, I thought it strange that you labelled Phillips and Wernher as 'Sirs' before their knighthoods had been conferred. Is that normal? If I'm wrong just revert. Cheers Paul venter 17:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

No I didn't; is that Friedrich? . And you are right. But baronetcy not knighthood. - Kittybrewster (talk) 17:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Cunningham Baronets

I have added a couple of reasonably notable Cunningham baronets. Let me know what you think. I may try and put some flesh on them when I have more time. Is there anything you have asked me to do anywhere which I have forgotten about? David Lauder 21:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

And here also: Sir Thomas Montgomery-Cuninghame, 8th Baronet. David Lauder 09:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I have created Cunningham Baronets - Kittybrewster (talk) 10:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Rod Beckstrom etc

If you are reading this please consider yourself volunteered to clean up and re-write and improve Rod Beckstrom. - Kittybrewster (talk) 09:01, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Credit card

Funny! Well it amused me anyway.Happy april fools day.Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 18:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Lady Phillips

Please do not clutter my talk page with comments when I have specifically requested you not to do so - see below Paul venter 13:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I am happy to discuss here instead.

Policy

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Your assistance

I wonder if you could help me at Lamberton, Borders, Scotland a truly clumsy heading. I don't understand how to go about changing it. Ideally it should be Lamberton, Berwickshire, or Lamberton, Scottish Borders. Scotland is unnecessary as it is in the preamble. David Lauder 16:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Use the move tag. - Kittybrewster (talk) 16:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Very many thanks! (That was fast!). Regards, David Lauder 16:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

FYI

Per your request. Tyrenius 00:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

French nobility

Category:French noble titles. Which WikiProject/work group, if any, covers French nobility? --kingboyk 21:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject France and royalty-work-group=yes - Kittybrewster (talk) 21:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Governors

Heho, I think, if they were elected like the governors of the United States of America, then we should use {{s-off}}, if they were intended for their office like the governors of the British Colonies then we should use {{s-gov}}. Greetings and Happy Easter ~~ Phoe _talk 08:19, 7 April 2007 (UTC) ~~

Yes, work on all corners and ends. :-) The most succession boxes, where this is the case, surely still date from the time before User:Necrothesp has created {{s-gov}}. Best wishes. ~~ Phoe _talk 10:45, 7 April 2007 (UTC) ~~

As a member of the British Cabinet, I would say a Secretary of State for the Colonies has had clearly a political office. Greetings ~~ Phoe _talk 16:53, 7 April 2007 (UTC) ~~

Bother

Sorry to bother you yet again but I seem to have done soemthing wrong at Robert de Brus, 1st Lord of Annandale. Only half the article now comes up and regardless of my efforts I cannot seem to change that. I would appreciate you assistance and for you to tell me what is wrong. David Lauder 13:36, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. ) should have been > - Kittybrewster (talk) 20:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I've been expecting you. "I am about to inaugurate a little war. I thought they had you assassinated in Hong Kong? THis is my second life - You Only Live Twice Mr Bond " I bid you adieu ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ 16:55, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Err...what was all that about? David Lauder 20:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I suggested that "Sir Blofeld" should be "Sir Ernst" and got this bizarre reply. Not everybody recognizes a solecism when they fall over it. - Kittybrewster (talk) 20:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Sir Thomas Burnett, 3rd Baronet

See the section on acrimony. Would you like me to see what I can find out about this? Regards, David Lauder 20:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Fascinated. Yes please. - Kittybrewster (talk) 20:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

A-class Biography assessments

I have downgraded a number of biographies which you rated as A-class. For an article to get an A-class rating, it should have at least the following items:

• at least 1 picture; no copyright issues; fair use should be explained for use on that specific page
• an infobox
• a lead section of at least two paragraphs
• the article should be structured in such a way that at least a ToC appears, and no section is a stub
• all statements should be referenced using in-line references
• it should be well written (but the rules are not as strict as for FA)

Hope this helps, Errabee 08:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Please follow the permission confirmation procedure

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Baronets

Did you know that the actor Nigel Bruce's father was a baronet? Sir William Waller Bruce, 10th Baronet. David Lauder 09:25, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I have added the Miller baronets of Manderston, starting with William. Regards, David Lauder 19:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Henry Barnett (MP)

Hi, please follow the procedures for confirming copyright permissions described above. Also, do not remove the administrative copyvio tag from your own work. This is considered vandalism, as Misplaced Pages takes copyright issues very seriously. Thank you. --Butseriouslyfolks 17:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely, and thanks. I have left a note on the talk page indicating that you are in the process of confirming the permission, as well as on the page for possible violations. An admin or the permissions clearance people should take care of the rest. Thanks again for doing this the right way. --Butseriouslyfolks 20:36, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I've rewritten it to avoid copyvio. Tyrenius 21:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you v much.  :) - Kittybrewster (talk) 22:25, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Disambigs on articles

I've edited Tony Jordan to remove the disambig link with this edit summary: "Disambigs should go to finished articles, not lists containing a redlink to a future article." There is discussion ongoing on the List of members of the Irish Republican Army talk page about the article and the way its being created. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. About to edit the other article now. Bastun 22:33, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Ralph G. Feltham

Hello. If this is Ralph George Feltham (the diplomat), all I've found for him is an MBE awarded in 1961, nothing about a knighthood. Thanks, Craigy (talk) 14:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Biography A-class review department

Hi, A-class ratings for the WikiProject Biography are now preserved for those articles that pass an A-class review. If you encounter biographies that you feel deserve an A-class rating, please follow the instructions on that page and ask for an A-class review. Errabee 21:52, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Succession boxes

Hi Kittybrewster, As I'm currently unable to accept bot requests due to technical issues, I moved your request to Misplaced Pages:Bot_requests#Succession_boxes. I've noticed that Betacommand (talk · contribs) has responded with a question. May I suggest you provide the info he asks for and communicate with him directly? He's a well known bot operator, and if you have him do the job you can be sure it will be done quickly. Cheers, and sorry I couldn't help directly this time. --kingboyk 13:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Comment needed

Please comment on this Betacommand 15:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

murder/killing

It's about to flare up again; apparently Pat Finucane (solicitor) was murdered, but Sir James Stronge was not. --Counter-revolutionary 16:26, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

The WikiProject Biography Newsletter: Issue II - April 2007

The April 2007 issue of the WikiProject Biography newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you BetacommandBot 18:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Ted Heath and debate on killing/murder

Hi! My apologies if we clashed this morning on the Ted Heath article, but it seems the debate on his sexuality is almost as highly charged as that at the waterpump on killing/murder. I think you have started a great and rightful debate, and have added my comments which I hope you find useful in your case for good precedent and policy. With Best Regards, - Trident13 10:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Sir David Llewellyn, 4th Baronet Llewellyn of Bwllfa

Hi, saw your note on the talk page. I'm not an admin, btw! You seem to know more about correct names of baronetcy articles, and the name you want for the article doesn't seem to exist (as it's a red link) so I would have thought that you could just click on "move" and do it yourself... unless I'm missing something? Best wishes, Bencherlite 22:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was taken. Thank you. Done it. - Kittybrewster (talk) 22:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Robert Arbuthnot

There is a pdf article at this address but it is pay per view so I don't know what's in it. http://nq.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/s12-IV/83/219-g Hope it helps. Regards, --Bill Reid | Talk 08:09, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

That issue of Notes and Queries is available at Google Books. Unfortunately, it's simply a query by Ada Jane Arbuthnot (author of Memories of the Arbuthnots, referenced in the article), collecting information for that book, so it sheds no further light on the subject. Choess 03:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Explanation

Is there an explanation for this edit? It makes it appear you are using a sockpuppet. -Will Beback · † · 09:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

No.I did a hasty copy and paste. - Kittybrewster (talk) 09:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Why are you even commenting on the AfD on your own autobiography? WP:COI specifa/iclly warns against participating in AFD discussions when you have a conflict. -Will Beback · † · 10:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

The COI is flagged in line of the nomination. I acknowledge it right underneath the VK vote. I am watching it and am fascinated that there are FOUR people voting to delete as their sole contribution. I will now re-read COI. - Kittybrewster (talk) 10:12, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

For future reference, here's the core of the guideline:

Misplaced Pages is "the encyclopedia that anyone can edit", but if you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:

1. editing articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with,
2. participating in deletion discussions about articles related to your organization or its competitors,
3. linking to the Misplaced Pages article or website of your organization in other articles (see Misplaced Pages:Spam);

   and you must always:

4. avoid breaching relevant policies and guidelines, especially neutral point of view, attribution, and autobiography.

As you can see, it says that you should "avoid or exercise great caution" when adding links to your own website or when getting involved in articles related to you. I understand you may not have been aware of this before, but now that you know of it I think it's reasonable to expect you will abide by it by avoiding ediiting your the articles about yourself and your immediate family, and to avoid adding links to your website. -Will Beback · † · 21:50, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Baronetcies

I should assure you that my position is not personal; I came across the discussion after editing another AfD, and had no idea that the article is WP:AUTO until I had been involved a while. I am uneasy about our assumption that all peers are notable; and I am reluctant to expand it to baronets.

For what it's worth, an accurate article on me probably could be written off the web; but I would speedy it for making no claim of notability. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I entirely believe you. I am fascinated that the afd has attracted so many Irish votes. - Kittybrewster (talk) 18:22, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Partly because you and Vintage were involved in an Irish discussion; but I'm sure many Irish know a lot about British titles without being particularly reverent of them. As for me, I'm an overseas hobbyist with access to a set of the Complete Peerage. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Murder / killing

Sorry, I am not getting involved in this now. Articles are not necessarily consistent, however. Each must be seen on its own merits. Tyrenius 02:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Sir William Arbuthnot, 2nd Baronet

Hi Kittybrewster, Assuming the article is kept at AfD, would you consider uploading a freely licenced image please? It seems strange that we have an article on a (possibly) notable Wikipedian but without a photo! --kingboyk 18:45, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Will Beback is telling me not to (above) as WP:COI. - Kittybrewster (talk) 21:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, you could upload the photo, and I could add it? I have no conflict of interest, after all. --kingboyk 22:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

What a good idea! And just as I was trying to follow the spirit behind the rules. - Kittybrewster (talk) 22:08, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

There'd be no problem with that arrangement that I'm aware of. -Will Beback · † · 22:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Good, thanks. I'm happy to do it, if kittybrewster wants. --kingboyk 22:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm not sure where the conflict of interest lies in you donating to the world a freely licenced image. How can that not be a good thing? The more free content we have, the better. Provided you vouch to me the photo is of the subject of the article, I will insert it into the article with no qualms at all. --kingboyk 22:18, 28 April 2007 (UTC) PS I'm not sure if you really think it a good idea, or if you're being sarcastic :) I'll AGF and assume the former :) (double edit conflict!)

Our friend in New York

Baron Sockpuppetry of New York. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:45, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Two quick things

Hello! Two questions, business and pleasure. 1 - I would like to pull {{LieutenantGovernorsNovaScotia}} into the tender loving arms of wikipedia:WikiProject_Nova_Scotia. I have been working on adding to the List_of_General_Assemblies_of_Nova_Scotia, having added 1755-1816 today, and I have been noticing that the links to and infoboxes on the LG pages for Nova Scotia are inconsistent to say the least. I would like to edit and add to you infobox, if I may. 2 - out of idle curiosity, can one purchase the title of baronetcy of Nova Scotia? Are they purely hereditary? I know very little about this type of thing. I know that the 1 square foot of Nova Scotia is still in Windsor castle (having had my picture taken on it) and am curious. WayeMason 16:48, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

1. Well done. Joining it to WikiProject_Nova_Scotia sounds a splendid idea. I am unsure what you have in mind on the infobox but the general principle of consistency seems good.

2. At least some of them were bought from the monarch in early times; in fact there was pressur from the Crown on various people to buy one. They could never be traded. It has not been possible to buy a Baronetcy for a long time. - Kittybrewster (talk) 17:43, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Resilience

Thank you for the Barnstar! It felt like a birthday present because my birthday was just the day before! :) Once I sort out a place, I'll put it on my userpage. --Mal 18:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Sir Norman Stronge, 8th Baronet

I'm sorry to tell you that Sir Norman Stronge, 8th Baronet was not approved for A-class. General consensus was that it is a nice article, well on its way to eventually become A-class, but not just there yet. Comments can be read at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Biography/A-class review/Sir Norman Stronge, 8th Baronet. The comments made by User:Vintagekits were not taken into account. Again sorry. Errabee 22:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Richard Gere and WP:BLP

Hi, thankyou for your support on the BLP noticeboard in relation to Richard Gere. I thought you may be interested to know that the main editor in favour of including false and unsubstantiated malicious allegations is now arguing on the WP:BLP talk page that the policy should be relaxed to remove the requirement to edit BLP entries sensitively, responsibly, and conservatively (see here). Sparkzilla calls these requirements "subjective." To me this demonstrates the stakes for Misplaced Pages of deciding that unsubstantiated malicious allegations that no credible source argues are true can nevertheless be included on its pages. However, as most editors seem to prefer relaxing these requirements rather than enforcing policy, I am increasingly concluding that Wikpedia is not, or soon may not, be the encyclopaedia I thought it was going to be. I have extensively and patiently argued the case for the exclusion of these allegations, but am less and less inclined to continue with this attempt to explain and enforce policy. But thanks again for your support. FNMF 02:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The situation has improved a little since I posted the above comment, with the intervention of a couple of very experienced editors. FNMF 07:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Michael Smith, Jr.

No sorry, I am not Michael Smith, Jr. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Friuli (talk • contribs) 11:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

Charles Maitland (MP)

Someone created a stub on him. I suspect this is Charles Maitland of Pitrichie, son of Alexander Arbuthnot (Baron of Exchequer), but the death dates from Rayment (16 February) vs. the article on Alexander (10 February) conflict slightly. Could you confirm that the two individuals are identical? Yours, Choess 01:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Alexander George Arbuthnot

An article that you have been involved in editing, Alexander George Arbuthnot, has been listed by me for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Alexander George Arbuthnot. Thank you. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 03:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, for fuck's sake. I'm off on holiday.--Major Bonkers (talk) 07:56, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Judging by the way constructive edits from Vintagekits are reverted, I'd say the term is more than appropriate. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

VK's edits are not constructive. Eg His suggestion that Alexander Arbuthnot (printer) was just a printer. He asks how many rat catchers or bakers or builders there were in Edinburgh in 1582. Presumably none in the Encyclopedia Britannica. - Kittybrewster (talk) 21:42, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Was there any mention of "Encyclopedia Britannica" when I made that comment or did you add that reference after the fact?? --Vintagekits 21:59, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't referring to every edit, but there's no denying that some constructive edits have been reverted. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

There is no reason to revert a constructive edit. - Kittybrewster (talk) 21:45, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. And to possibly alleviate some of the tension round here, perhaps it would be better if everyone focussed on the content of an edit rather than the editor who made it? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 21:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Indeed -- Ignoring the split infinitives. - Kittybrewster (talk) 21:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure this ratcatcher must be in EB! One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 22:01, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

And should rightly feature in this wikipedia. No mere rat catcher. - Kittybrewster (talk) 22:04, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Well we'll soon see how notable he is when I stick an AfD on him.--Vintagekits 22:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Salutations

Hello Kitty. Sorry to bother you but I wondered if you could change John Cunningham, 14th Earl of Glencairn to 15th Earl. His brother James was the 14th! I am unsure how to do it. Regards, 14:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

...done. --Counter-revolutionary 14:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Afd John Alves Arbuthnot

Notable for having founded a successful merchant bank. - Kittybrewster (talk) 16:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Being undecided, I decided not to comment at the AfD, but a friendly suggestion: don't push too hard on the less notable family members. It'll make it easier to defend the more notable ones. DGG 00:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Sir James Stronge, 9th Baronet

As there were previously Sir James Matthew Stronges, the article name should include his full title, can you help out with this. Best wishes, --Counter-revolutionary 19:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Recent antics

Your recent creation of {{Irc}} and the redirect associated with it, and its' addition to a number of AfD's in an attempt to segregate people using a blatantly incivil message, is totally inappropriate. The redirect has been deleted, the template as well, and your additions to the AfD's reverted. Do not do this again, or I will block you. Regardless of whatever you believe, there is no need to sink so low and make such inappropriate edits. Consider this your warning that any further disruption with similar intent will result in a block of one week. Daniel Bryant 10:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)