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| ::Thank you. Fair comment. I could create a wiki tree showing the prominent relationships but I don't see the point while there are so many bad-faith afds around, including ]. Misplaced Pages is to some extent influenced by people !voting from ignorance and creating silly articles like ]. There is no point entering into discussion with such folk. - ]<small>]</small> 10:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC) | ::Thank you. Fair comment. I could create a wiki tree showing the prominent relationships but I don't see the point while there are so many bad-faith afds around, including ]. Misplaced Pages is to some extent influenced by people !voting from ignorance and creating silly articles like ]. There is no point entering into discussion with such folk. - ]<small>]</small> 10:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC) | ||
| :::They are not bad faith AFDs at all. It seems you learn nothing from your experiences Pharamond is telling you to do what I told you to do before all this started. You have nobody else to blame but yourself for the position your pages are now in. Yet you still don't seem to get it - your pages, as you write them, describe nonentities! They may not be - I don't know but you are not prepared to do any work at all to improve the pages or more importantly describe what makes them notable. The fact that any of those AFDs survive is entirely due to the hard work of others, yet you still have the nerve to sit here whining about bad faith nominations. You say "silly articles like ]" but who has been one of its chief editors? - You. If you thought it silly you could have merged and tidied all these things up ages ago -but No. It is left for others while you create even more pointless stubs for other people to sort out. ] 10:31, 17 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Image:Arbuthnot_button.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Arbuthnot_button.jpg, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. User:Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr) 18:43, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Ada Jane Arbuthnot's 'Memories': reviewed anywhere?
Hello Kittybrewster. At WP:COI/N there is still an open item on the Arbuthnot family articles. One of the references sometimes used in those articles is the 'Memories of the Arbuthnots'. I was able to find a microfilm copy of this, and only afterwards noticed that you provide a PDF on line! Trying to evaluate this book as a source, I wonder if you know of any book reviews that were published anywhere? The author has a critical faculty, and did a lot of hard work, but I don't know if she can be considered an historian. If you know of any published comments on this book, I'd appreciate hearing. Thanks, EdJohnston 21:16, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Harriet Arbuthnot
Thank you for your numerous recent small edits to the above page, which I have recently re-written and hugely expanded. I have reverted some of your changes, especially those to the format of the notes. I have written many pages of that length and longer and prefer the notes to be as I placed them. Im my experience most people like to be able to access the references easily and simply, and that is the easiest format. Please do not change that format but if you have any further information that is relevant to the subject please feel free to add it. Thank you Giano 21:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
John Alves Arnuthnot
I am sorry to see that this man's stub has been deleted in the continuing campaign against you (whatever other excuses are thrown up). Here was someone who appeared in the on-line peerage, which is pretty reliable, was a Justice of the Peace/Magistrate, a county High Sheriff, and founder of a major, well-known, and prestigeous merchant bank in the City of London. (I found an on-line confirmation of the latter on a website which had no connections whatsoever with you/the Arbuthnots). By anyone's logic he must surely rank as notable. I am truly sorry. David Lauder 07:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Malcolm Arbuthnot
Please explain the difference between a reference/source and an external link. - Kittybrewster (talk) 11:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- Formally: a reference was used to write the article; and an external link is 'value-added' further reference - see Misplaced Pages:External links. Practically, though, there's overlap, and I don't think I'm alone in avoiding external links to material whose format might suggest reference quality, but which really isn't up to that quality (in the case of the family tree, sourcing in unpublished personal communications).
- I don't doubt that much of your site is well-sourced: for instance, Google finds the Jersey International Festival Arts Festival brochure showing that your contact Melinda Parsons is a professor of art history who has published articles on Arbuthnot, and that's as good as a source gets. But Misplaced Pages sourcing needs direct reference to those articles. Tearlach 01:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Re: Current AfD's
As its stands I have refrained from commenting on or !voting in the recent spate of AfD's as I did not want them to turn into the bun fight that other AfD have turned into - however yourself, Astrotrain, Counterrev and David Lauder have !voted in the various articles for AfD. If these !votes remain or any further !votes are lodged on these AfD's then I am going to have to reconsider my decision to stay away from them. I will leave the ball in your court until the end of play today. --Vintagekits 15:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- What a silly threat. I'm not going to let notables be deleted. Misplaced Pages is not a quid pro quo facility. Vote if you want, that's what I say. Maybe others disagree. --Counter-revolutionary 16:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Evelyn Delves Broughton estate
It just crossed my mind that net vs gross might explain any difference you have in mind. The Times (Latest wills, April 5, 1997) says "Sir Evelyn Delves Broughton, of Nantwich, Cheshire, left estate valued at Pounds 3,962,702 net". Somewhere between £6m and £7m gross, taxed by 40% inheritance tax above whatever the threshold was at the time, would come to about that net figure. Tearlach 17:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
You may be interested in...
Sir Simon Marsden, 4th Baronet, I've only just discovered he's a baronet. --Counter-revolutionary 20:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Hugo de Arbuthnot et al.
I found this image of a 13th century Hugo de Arbuthnot in the Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland, Volume 29, 1894-95, available in PDF online here
I have tried to make a case for retaining an article on the Arbuthnot family here and here, but so far with little success. I still think you have a chance to make one that sticks, but you probably need to work on it in userspace (as I have seen other people do) before posting it as an article, and be meticulous about citing sources both for the genealogical synthesis and for many of the details.
I would be surprised if there are not enough published sources that could be used. You have cited The Scots Peerage in a few places, but not consistently and not in the articles where it matters, and never (as far as I have seen) through inline citations/footnotes. It may be dated, but it is an independent source, not authored by an Arbuthnot. You have not cited the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography in places where you could have done so. I assume that there are some good journals for genealogy and local history in Scotland that will have articles on the Arbuthnot family, or parts of it, or more general history journals that can at least contribute tidbits here and there. Pharamond 09:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you. Fair comment. I could create a wiki tree showing the prominent relationships but I don't see the point while there are so many bad-faith afds around, including Arbuthnot family. Misplaced Pages is to some extent influenced by people !voting from ignorance and creating silly articles like Clan Arbuthnott. There is no point entering into discussion with such folk. - Kittybrewster (talk) 10:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- They are not bad faith AFDs at all. It seems you learn nothing from your experiences Pharamond is telling you to do what I told you to do before all this started. You have nobody else to blame but yourself for the position your pages are now in. Yet you still don't seem to get it - your pages, as you write them, describe nonentities! They may not be - I don't know but you are not prepared to do any work at all to improve the pages or more importantly describe what makes them notable. The fact that any of those AFDs survive is entirely due to the hard work of others, yet you still have the nerve to sit here whining about bad faith nominations. You say "silly articles like Clan Arbuthnott" but who has been one of its chief editors? - You. If you thought it silly you could have merged and tidied all these things up ages ago -but No. It is left for others while you create even more pointless stubs for other people to sort out. Giano 10:31, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you. Fair comment. I could create a wiki tree showing the prominent relationships but I don't see the point while there are so many bad-faith afds around, including Arbuthnot family. Misplaced Pages is to some extent influenced by people !voting from ignorance and creating silly articles like Clan Arbuthnott. There is no point entering into discussion with such folk. - Kittybrewster (talk) 10:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)