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| David, the democracy article is in need of work, and I hope that you will continue to help accomplish this. I starting working on this article because it lacked a NPOV and because it was almost without citations. The definitions section was indeed "mishmash of dueling dictionary quotations" and required being "completely rewritten". When you deleted this section you deleted a lot of work I had done, particularly my citations that I have now lost. | |||
| We need an actual example of "participatory democracy", is Poland such an example - or not? | |||
| You say: "I doubt they are the result of experiments in the (somewhat fuzzy) things that article covers". Policy requires that you balance, not delete. I encourage your restoration of this section with whatever material suits your POV. Such an addition is now your responsibility by NPOV policy. Will you comply? | |||
| Courtesy requires that if a citation is to be challenged, that it not be deleted so it can be reviewed and debated first? I am unable to read and review the reference about Poland because you arbitraily deleted it without prior discussion. Please discuss your concerns before deleting entire sections, and especially citations? ] 20:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| :I was about to remove the "definition" section (which seems to be recently added), but held off as it seems to be undergoing revision. It is not very helpful to present the reader with a mishmash of dueling dictionary quotations. At a minimum this would need to be completely rewritten - right now it reads like the prep notes for a debate. However, scanning the latest lengthy set of discursions that have sprouted on this Talk page since I last visited, it would appear that there is some sort of effort being made to conflate democracy with the phrase "majority rule". Setting aside the merits of the question, it is at best questionable to use one dictionary's phrasing to flatly assert that democracy "means' or "is a synonym for" majority rule in an article whose entire point is to present the subject in much greater detail than the 25 words or less allotted to a dictionary author. There also seems to be an "Islamic Republics" popping in and out of existence as I write; hopefully this will be taken care of as well. | |||
| :I did delete a reference to Poland and failed "participatory democracy". As I noted at Talk:Participatory democracy where I made a similar deletion, User:Raggz seems to have mistaken the use of the phrase in a translation from a Polish source for the concepts in the article participatory democracy. Whatever ills besetting the Polish political scene, I doubt they are the result of experiments in the (somewhat fuzzy) things that article covers! More to the point, polemical statements such as "utterly failed in Poland" don't inspire confidence in the writer's understanding of the style of an encyclopedic reference article. - David Oberst 10:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
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David Oberst is a Canadian citizen living in Yellowknife, Northwest Territories, Canada. An interest in online DVD rentals led to an information website on the Canadian DVD situation, and initial contributions to various Wiki articles here.
David, the democracy article is in need of work, and I hope that you will continue to help accomplish this. I starting working on this article because it lacked a NPOV and because it was almost without citations. The definitions section was indeed "mishmash of dueling dictionary quotations" and required being "completely rewritten". When you deleted this section you deleted a lot of work I had done, particularly my citations that I have now lost.
We need an actual example of "participatory democracy", is Poland such an example - or not?
You say: "I doubt they are the result of experiments in the (somewhat fuzzy) things that article covers". Policy requires that you balance, not delete. I encourage your restoration of this section with whatever material suits your POV. Such an addition is now your responsibility by NPOV policy. Will you comply?
Courtesy requires that if a citation is to be challenged, that it not be deleted so it can be reviewed and debated first? I am unable to read and review the reference about Poland because you arbitraily deleted it without prior discussion. Please discuss your concerns before deleting entire sections, and especially citations? Raggz 20:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- democracy
- I was about to remove the "definition" section (which seems to be recently added), but held off as it seems to be undergoing revision. It is not very helpful to present the reader with a mishmash of dueling dictionary quotations. At a minimum this would need to be completely rewritten - right now it reads like the prep notes for a debate. However, scanning the latest lengthy set of discursions that have sprouted on this Talk page since I last visited, it would appear that there is some sort of effort being made to conflate democracy with the phrase "majority rule". Setting aside the merits of the question, it is at best questionable to use one dictionary's phrasing to flatly assert that democracy "means' or "is a synonym for" majority rule in an article whose entire point is to present the subject in much greater detail than the 25 words or less allotted to a dictionary author. There also seems to be an "Islamic Republics" popping in and out of existence as I write; hopefully this will be taken care of as well.
- I did delete a reference to Poland and failed "participatory democracy". As I noted at Talk:Participatory democracy where I made a similar deletion, User:Raggz seems to have mistaken the use of the phrase in a translation from a Polish source for the concepts in the article participatory democracy. Whatever ills besetting the Polish political scene, I doubt they are the result of experiments in the (somewhat fuzzy) things that article covers! More to the point, polemical statements such as "utterly failed in Poland" don't inspire confidence in the writer's understanding of the style of an encyclopedic reference article. - David Oberst 10:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Raggz 20:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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